Ah you're right. I forgot about that range. I concede on this part. Though i don't think he could perfectly aim all the bombs with the asura laser. I think the C1 bombs are too mobile and flexible for him to completely hit them all with the laser shot
Unless Deidara launches his C1 bombs with the intent of using them to attack from Nagato's sides whilst avoiding the AoE of the laser the whole time they're deployed, I don't see how missing them becomes a possibility. They get destroyed if they're within the AoE of the laser when Nagato shoots it. And if Deidara has his bombs take such a roundabout route just to avoid that AoE, that gives Nagato more time to either make distance with his bird, meaning his cooldown disappears, hit the bombs with Gale Palm, or block with a summon.
I underestimated the range of Nagato's shinra tensei, so yeah he has no hope to take advantage of the cooldown
OK.
Not necessarly. It depends on his range when he will be caught by the bansho tenin in question. If he is far enough, i don't see why he can't make the boulder explode before hand and escape. Besides, even if it were in a close distance, he already showed to be fast enough to escape the explosive range at close range [
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So i think he can outmaneuver it
Fair enough. With enough range he might be able to pull that off.
EDIT: Actually, I don't see how Deidara is going to be able to do this at all. All those feats of Deidara avoiding his own explosions happened when he was in control of his own body. Here he's being pulled in via the attraction of Bansho Tenin, which he has no way of breaking. Thus he's still going to be pulled into the explosion.
Sure but that laser has a charge time. You think Nagato will manage to trigger it in time when he will be pressured?
How is he going to be so pressured that he can't charge a laser? Shinra Tensei dispels Deidara's first volley of bombs. In the time that's he charging, and a second volley comes after him, he can either use a summon as a meatshield, use Gale Palm, or assuming that they're both in the air, make some distance with his bird until either his laser is charged or the 5 second cooldown is up.
If he's on the ground he doesn't even need to worry about the laser. He simply throws up a summon as a meatshield at the last second (ensuring that the bombs can't redirect around it) or uses his centipede summon as the meatshield (
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), then goes invisible with the chameleon. From there on Deidara's chances of pressuring Nagato drop to zero since he has no way of detecting the chameleon and will be wasting his bombs trying to get off a lucky shot. In which case Nagato can just snipe him out of the air from a blindspot.
Also for the building scenario, you completely forget the fact that the C1 birds can move at will. What if they simply flying around the building? But you're right on the BT speed especially if Deidara is in his range(which he most likely will be to have better chances to win like you said)
They need to be faster than the building being drawn in with Bansho Tenin in order to accomplish that, which is unlikely seeing how Sage Mode users were unable to react to it, and KCM Naruto had to use a chakra arm just to avoid the boulder (meaning he had no time to form a Rasengan).
He can actually use Asura path armor? I don't remember that, but i don't see why it should be impossible, so i can agree with this
He grew Asura Path arms and was about to use a laser as Nagato. Him being able to use Asura Path armor isn't far-fetched seeing how a damaged Asura Path was able to withstand Kakashi's Raikiri long enough for Deva Path's cooldown time to run out.
Sure he can do that, but only if he notices considering he won't try it on something he doesn't know. And while he is a sensor but the Byakugan is actually even better than sensory ability in combat, considering it can scan everything 10km away(it was Hinata's range) from every angle, yet Neji missed the clay clone. Sharingan Sasuke was just flying towards fake Deidara(not knowing it's one) with Sharingan activated and thrusting him with Chidori, yet the real Deidara was inside the bird without him knowing, so not sure if he will really notice. If he manages though, Deidara is finish, i admit
And like I said before, the sheer range of his attacks makes up for whether he's able to notice or not beforehand. If Deidara tries to swap with a clone while he's on his bird, the only place the real Deidara can hide is inside the bird itself. Nagato doesn't need to care to figure this out when he can just destroy the clone, the bird, him and anything in their immediate vicinity in one shot. And since your argument depends on Deidara keeping his distance in the sky, that's the limit of his options for clone swapping.
Nagato's sensing will then come into play afterwards, to determine if he can still feel Deidara's chakra. Whereas his extra viewpoints will scan the area to make sure he doesn't get ambushed.
But you said yourself that Nagato can sense far away(like he sensed Kabuto), so paths or not, he should have noticed. Yet he still failed to notice the real Kakashi or Naruto's clones
Fair enough.
It's not like a mountain was actually crushing it. No, it attracts rubbles one after the other creating the mountain size entity in the end. The mountain size thing is just a result of the attraction, so it does little to no damage to the core at all. And how do you know he can't match it? We're talking about a bomb that had the capacity to destroy Suna
Because Bee's Bijuu Bombs are destructive enough to vaporize Suna, and then some. 6 Tailed Kyuubi Naruto made an explosion
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. You can see Gamaken in the background of Naruto's Bijuu Bomb, when he was not that much taller than regular humans, and he's basically dwarfed by the blast. Bee's Bijuu Bombs on the other hand, are large enough to dwarf bijuus[
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Konan was almost begging him not to use that move. I doubt he can make many as well. Also considering Deidara has full knowledge, i don't see why he won't prepare multiple trump cards in case it happens, in advance
Konan was begging him not to use it because he used up so much of his chakra on fighting members of the village, destroying various parts of said village, CST, then fighting Sage Naruto and the toads, all whilst transmitting chakra through his Paths. That's not going to be much of a problem here seeing that he's using these techniques through his own body, and he has far less opponents to deal with. If we're talking about Healthy Nagato chakra becomes even less of an issue. Thus throwing 2 CTs in one match is not far fetched to consider for a guy who used one CT, one CST, and was spamming Path techniques on the whole village and Naruto (nevermind the fact that one CST would kill Deidara regardless of what he does). Plus, you still haven't addressed the very real possibility of him being pulled into the blast radius of C3.
Just because Deidara has full knowledge doesn't mean he will prep himself with multiple C3s before the match even starts. That's prep time not specified by the rules of the thread. Canonically he only has the one C3 clay doll prepared at the start of the match (and sometimes not even that, seeing how he did not have one to use against Sasuke). Any other C3 bombs he uses will have to be prepared over the course of the match, which means molding the clay and pouring large amounts of his chakra into the dolls, which would be hard to whilst being attacked by missiles/laser/the bird/ST, or provides an opening to be attacked by all of the above. And if Nagato notices the l
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Deidara's making, that would be reason enough for him to wipe out Deidara immediately with CST.
