[Discussion] Trebols Devil Fruit

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Am I the only one who wants to see a water logia?

 

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He was called a snot human, so his fruit is most likely a mucus fruit. Mucus is naturally occuring, so it's a part of nature, as are magma, smoke and fire.

Poison is also naturally occurring and yet that is a Paramecia, do you know how to read? I mentioned ELEMENTS and FORCES OF NATURE... which Mucus is not.

Coming up with good logia ideas would be tough, but I got a couple in mind

Acid, Wood, Metal, Wind (Air), Ink?, Grass (I know that could sorta go with Wood, but there's a Snow Logia and Ice Logia), Rock (Different from Pica), Poison (Different from Magellan), and that's all I got

I actually got a good amount listed

How about:

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Denim???? XD

Going by what Oda originally intended Logias to be; Acid and Ink would be Paramecias and Poison is already taken by Magellan. A rock Logia is still viable, but after Picas fruits introduction it would be way too similar.

Wood (more so; plants) is one I've wanted to see for a LONG time, Metal (or Ore) Logia would be a good idea. In fact it could share similarities with Baby 5 and Diamante's fruits, but better (obviously).

I hope that GREEN BULL (Ryokugyu) is a Wood Logia or Tree Ent Mythical Zoan and somebody like Ben Beckmann would be a Metal Logia, although that's highly unlikely

Am I the only one who wants to see a water logia?

We can't have Water Logias. Because the second they use their power, they can no longer use their power, it's a paradox for it to exist. This is why we have Fishman Karate.

 

[Kingu]

Am I the only one who wants to see a water logia?

Nope, I'm with you bro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Poison is also naturally occurring and yet that is a Paramecia, do you know how to read? I mentioned ELEMENTS and FORCES OF NATURE... which Mucus is not.



Going by what Oda originally intended Logias to be; Acid and Ink would be Paramecias and Poison is already taken by Magellan. A rock Logia is still viable, but after Picas fruits introduction it would be way too similar.

Wood (more so; plants) is one I've wanted to see for a LONG time, Metal (or Ore) Logia would be a good idea. In fact it could share similarities with Baby 5 and Diamante's fruits, but better (obviously).

I hope that GREEN BULL (Ryokugyu) is a Wood Logia or Tree Ent Mythical Zoan and somebody like Ben Beckmann would be a Metal Logia, although that's highly unlikely


We can't have Water Logias. Because the second they use their power, they can no longer use their power, it's a paradox for it to exist. This is why we have Fishman Karate.

Magellan's fruit is a Paramecia because he creates poison, but can't transform into it. Mucus is also a force of nature in the same context as magma and smoke.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Magellan's fruit is a Paramecia because he creates poison, but can't transform into it. Mucus is also a force of nature in the same context as magma and smoke.

Mucus is a secretion from animals and plants. Like Poison. Smoke and Magma isn't.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mucus is a secretion from animals and plants. Like Poison. Smoke and Magma isn't.

But it occurs naturally. It's a part of nature, like smoke and magma. The fact that your first post uses one argument, and your rebuttal has a completely different argument should show you you're wrong.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

But it occurs naturally. It's a part of nature, like smoke and magma. The fact that your first post uses one argument, and your rebuttal has a completely different argument should show you you're wrong.

I guess Magellan should be a logia too then. By your logic. If it is created by organisms then it isn't elligible of being a Logia, I mentioned it before in the OP.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I guess Magellan should be a logia too then. By your logic. If it is created by organisms then it isn't elligible of being a Logia, I mentioned it before in the OP.

If Magellan could both transform into and create poison, then yes, he'd be a Logia.

@Bold: I know you said it, but you're wrong. Trebol was called a snot human, and is a Logia, meaning he has the power to create and turn into snot.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

If Magellan could both transform into and create poison, then yes, he'd be a Logia.

@Bold: I know you said it, but you're wrong. Trebol was called a snot human, and is a Logia, meaning he has the power to create and turn into snot.

You're missing the point. He ISN'T a logia and yet his power is more like Mucus than any of the Logias. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm pointing out the loophole Oda has created through Trebol. I was simply suggesting he could fix it by showing Trebols logia is artificial.

Interesting to note that his clothing maintains its weird pattern, which is uncharacteristic of other devil fruits which change colour completely in their element form (Mucus isn't even an element form), it's just another odd thing about Trebols fruit:

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What I'm highlighting is the lack of colour change (of trebols clothing, when entering non-human form) makes his fruit obsolete amongst Logias

Eiichiro Oda even describes Logias as: characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature. Which Mucus is not.

 

[Kai NB]

You're missing the point. He ISN'T a logia and yet his power is more like Mucus than any of the Logias. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm pointing out the loophole Oda has created through Trebol. I was simply suggesting he could fix it by showing Trebols logia is artificial.

Interesting to note that his clothing maintains its weird pattern, which is uncharacteristic of other devil fruits which change colour completely in their element form (Mucus isn't even an element form), it's just another odd thing about Trebols fruit:

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What I'm highlighting is the lack of colour change (of trebols clothing, when entering non-human form) makes his fruit obsolete amongst Logias

Eiichiro Oda even describes Logias as: characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature. Which Mucus is not.

It could be that his Logia just isn't that great, like the non-canon Paper Logia that was shown

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're missing the point. He ISN'T a logia and yet his power is more like Mucus than any of the Logias. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm pointing out the loophole Oda has created through Trebol. I was simply suggesting he could fix it by showing Trebols logia is artificial.

Interesting to note that his clothing maintains its weird pattern, which is uncharacteristic of other devil fruits which change colour completely in their element form (Mucus isn't even an element form), it's just another odd thing about Trebols fruit:

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What I'm highlighting is the lack of colour change (of trebols clothing, when entering non-human form) makes his fruit obsolete amongst Logias

Eiichiro Oda even describes Logias as: characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature. Which Mucus is not.

1. Trebol was sliced into threes by Usopp, and reformed. That means he transformed into mucus. He can also create mucus, giving him both characteristics of a Logia.

2. This picture

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clearly shows it being a Logia, as Trebol has transformed into mucus and his body his deformed. The pattern on his clothing can be seen attached to the mucus still dripping from the wall, meaning his clothes were transformed.

3. Oda never described it as such, IIRC, that was said in the manga. It was also said in the manga that there were fruits that gave the user the ability to breathe fire and the ability to create tsunamis. As the manga went on, these abilities were extended and given greater range, them being the Mera Mera and Gura Gura no Mi. That means that, as the manga goes on, Oda can expand what a Logia is to more than simply an element or force of nature, and Trebol is the first sign of that.

4. Magma, mud and smoke aren't forces, but they are things that occur naturally, hence why they were called forces of nature. Mucus could simply be in the same category as these, something that occurs in nature.

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Here you can see the pattern and outline of Akainu's suit is still visible despite being transformed. In the pictures you listed, those characters had simply transformed areas with their clothes into their element completely, while Trebol underwent a partial transformation.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

1. Trebol was sliced into threes by Usopp, and reformed. That means he transformed into mucus. He can also create mucus, giving him both characteristics of a Logia.

2. This picture

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clearly shows it being a Logia, as Trebol has transformed into mucus and his body his deformed. The pattern on his clothing can be seen attached to the mucus still dripping from the wall, meaning his clothes were transformed.

3. Oda never described it as such, IIRC, that was said in the manga. It was also said in the manga that there were fruits that gave the user the ability to breathe fire and the ability to create tsunamis. As the manga went on, these abilities were extended and given greater range, them being the Mera Mera and Gura Gura no Mi. That means that, as the manga goes on, Oda can expand what a Logia is to more than simply an element or force of nature, and Trebol is the first sign of that.

4. Magma, mud and smoke aren't forces, but they are things that occur naturally, hence why they were called forces of nature. Mucus could simply be in the same category as these, something that occurs in nature.

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Here you can see the pattern and outline of Akainu's suit is still visible despite being transformed. In the pictures you listed, those characters had simply transformed areas with their clothes into their element completely, while Trebol underwent a partial transformation.

Again, you're missing the entire point. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm questioning why he is a Logia and pointing out his power is more suitable of a Paramecia type Devil fruit. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. Okay?

You've been debating a completely different debate to me. I've been saying Mucus is more like poison than forces of nature.

How are Smoke and Magma not forces of nature? Ever heard of natural disasters? Specifically; Volcanic Eruptions? Touche bro.

The outline still being visible shows nothing. It's the change in colour scheme which doesn't occur in Trebols case which makes me question.

 

[VongolaX]

I personally don't think that Trebol is a logia, not really sure.

Normally logia types have elemental names right off that bat.

What was his fruit name again?

Sticky sticky?

I thought caribou was the snot logia?

 

[Kai NB]

I personally don't think that Trebol is a logia, not really sure.

Normally logia types have elemental names right off that bat.

What was his fruit name again?

Sticky sticky?

I though caribou was the snot logia?

Caribou was the mud/swamp logia

 

[VongolaX]

Caribou was the mud/swamp logia

Okay I see now.
Thanks.

 

[Kai NB]

Okay I see now.
Thanks.

No prob buddy

How's your day been going?

 

[VongolaX]

No prob buddy

How's your day been going?

Alright so fair I guess.

I just finished up punishment for dealing with a troll, so he snitched.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I personally don't think that Trebol is a logia, not really sure.

Normally logia types have elemental names right off that bat.

What was his fruit name again?

Sticky sticky?

I thought caribou was the snot logia?

They really don't all have elemental names, although their names obviously all relate to their powers.

Some do have elemental names: Suna Suna no Mi (Sand Sand Fruit), Yami Yami no Mi (Dark Dark Fruit), Magu Magu no Mi (Magma Magma Fruit), Numa Numa no Mi (Swamp Swamp Fruit), Gasu Gasu no Mi (Gas Gas Fruit), Yuki Yuki no Mi (Snow Snow Fruit). However, some Logias names (as previously mentioned) aren't so clear cut.

These include:
Moku Moku no Mi (Plume Plume Fruit), Mera Mera no Mi (Flare Flare Fruit), Goro Goro no Mi (Rumble Rumble Fruit), Hie Hie no Mi (Chilly Chilly Fruit), Pika Pika no Mi (Glint Glint Fruit). As you can see some of these names could mean something completely different

 

[Punk Hazard]

Again, you're missing the entire point. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm questioning why he is a Logia and pointing out his power is more suitable of a Paramecia type Devil fruit. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. I know he's a logia. Okay?

You've been debating a completely different debate to me. I've been saying Mucus is more like poison than forces of nature.

How are Smoke and Magma not forces of nature? Ever heard of natural disasters? Specifically; Volcanic Eruptions? Touche bro.

The outline still being visible shows nothing. It's the change in colour scheme which doesn't occur in Trebols case which makes me question.

My bad, I guess all these posts where you're arguing as to why Trebol isn't a Logia weren't about why Trebol isn't a Logia, especially the bolded parts. My bad.

BTW, magma and smoke are not forces of nature. The eruption, the violent moving, of magma, and burning that produces smoke are the forces of nature.

You're missing the point. He ISN'T a logia and yet his power is more like Mucus than any of the Logias. I'm not denying he is a Logia, I'm pointing out the loophole Oda has created through Trebol. I was simply suggesting he could fix it by showing Trebols logia is artificial.

Interesting to note that his clothing maintains its weird pattern, which is uncharacteristic of other devil fruits which change colour completely in their element form (Mucus isn't even an element form), it's just another odd thing about Trebols fruit:

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What I'm highlighting is the lack of colour change (of trebols clothing, when entering non-human form) makes his fruit obsolete amongst Logias

Eiichiro Oda even describes Logias as: characterized by giving its user the ability to turn into a natural element or force of nature. Which Mucus is not.

I guess Magellan should be a logia too then. By your logic. If it is created by organisms then it isn't elligible of being a Logia, I mentioned it before in the OP.

Poison is also naturally occurring and yet that is a Paramecia, do you know how to read? I mentioned ELEMENTS and FORCES OF NATURE... which Mucus is not.

What I'm trying to argue is that Trebol's fruit doesn't have to be artificial as you are stating. What I'm trying to say is you viewing Trebol's fruit as some kind of inconsistency or loophole is wrong, he can just be a normal Logia like the rest.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

My bad, I guess all these posts where you're arguing as to why Trebol isn't a Logia weren't about why Trebol isn't a Logia, especially the bolded parts. My bad.

BTW, magma and smoke are not forces of nature. The eruption, the violent moving, of magma, and burning that produces smoke are the forces of nature.






What I'm trying to argue is that Trebol's fruit doesn't have to be artificial as you are stating. What I'm trying to say is you viewing Trebol's fruit as some kind of inconsistency or loophole is wrong, he can just be a normal Logia like the rest.

Well he clearly isn't a normal logia. Look at how his clothes don't change when he becomes mucus.