[VS] Reanimated Itachi vs. Sage Mode Minato

[Draphsin]

Itachi only has the capacity he had before he died. If he couldn't keep Susanoo up the entire time normally (no Uchiha can anyway) then he can't do it as an edo, or spam Amaterasu and Yasaka Beads. Learn2Reanimation please.

Nonsense, itachi was fine with maintaining his susanoo & the only reason why he couldn't do it anymore against sasuke was because he died,

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Once itachi had susanoo up he never once put it down, he almost did

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but it wasn't a problem in the end thanks to yata, the only reason why his susanoo dissipated was as I said before, literally because he died.

With all of that said, refer back to the kabuto fight then tell me itachi can't spam his susanoo, combine it with the fact that itachi feels no pain while using it & the fact that his eyes don't deteriorate while using it either then you have an itachi who can maintain it for more than enough time, enough time to outlast minato anyways.

Learn2Reanimation? Funny, considering you think an edo itachi has problems using susanoo despite never showing us said problems once while using it. Susanoo is more of a physical strain than a chakra one, & edo removes all physical strains [hence why itachi suffered from no blindness/sickness] therefore susanoo can & will be spammed.

Whats worse is that OP gave Minato SM. His speed can already react to V2 Ay in base.

Speed is useless, minato needs to throw his kunai to get close to itachi in the first place, & with susanoo up & his sharingan active itachi will track any kunai coming his way, & he can take it out with his own

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or use ama/magatamas to destroy it.

SM amplifies that even more and heightens his sensory to danger, even surpassing the KCM sensory to danger. When it comes to movement and reaction speeds

SM is useless, minato can only maintain it for a short period of time, it only improves his speed/reactions for one attack as shown in canon. Therefore unless minato is actually close to itachi then SM isn't going to be a factor, & with susanoo active minato isn't getting through even if he does get close with SM.

Base Minato = V2 Ay
V2 Ay >> Itachi
Base Minato >> Itachi
SM Minato >>> Itachi

If this is referring to speed then it's irrelevant, if it's referring to actual strength then it's just untrue.

1. Even if minato is faster that doesn't mean itachi can't defend against minato's attacks, refer to sasuke vs ay.

2. Abc logic doesn't work.

I'm fairly certain a SM Minato would not even need FTG to dodge any of Itachis attacks.

How long do you think he can maintain SM for? Especially with itachi throwing multiple projectiles at him?

Minatos shunshin and foot speed would be untraceable against for Itachi.

Again, refer to sasuke vs ay. Ay had the power to grab sasuke's susanoo & smash it, minato doesn't have that luxury. Ay with superior speed merely stalemated with sasuke who wasn't even using his most powerful susanoo, minato doesn't have enough power to bust susanoo [let alone yata] & he has no way of getting close without taking some damage through the multiple projectiles that would be thrown his way.

Also let's not forget how itachi was able to

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with KCM naruto in terms of CQC, & we already know who was able to dodge ay's fastest punch aside from minato.

Should I bring up Shadow Clones and Flying Raijin now? Didn't think so.

Lol, As I said FTG is useless, & clones don't do anything that minato can't already. All they do is provide a mobile FTG mark & it's not that useful either way.

 

[~Nemesis~]

Nonsense, itachi was fine with maintaining his susanoo & the only reason why he couldn't do it anymore against sasuke was because he died,

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Once itachi had susanoo up he never once put it down, he almost did

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but it wasn't a problem in the end thanks to yata, the only reason why his susanoo dissipated was as I said before, literally because he died.

With all of that said, refer back to the kabuto fight then tell me itachi can't spam his susanoo, combine it with the fact that itachi feels no pain while using it & the fact that his eyes don't deteriorate while using it either then you have an itachi who can maintain it for more than enough time, enough time to outlast minato anyways.

Learn2Reanimation? Funny, considering you think an edo itachi has problems using susanoo despite never showing us said problems once while using it. Susanoo is more of a physical strain than a chakra one, & edo removes all physical strains [hence why itachi suffered from no blindness/sickness] therefore susanoo can & will be spammed.



Speed is useless, minato needs to throw his kunai to get close to itachi in the first place, & with susanoo up & his sharingan active itachi will track any kunai coming his way, & he can take it out with his own

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or use ama/magatamas to destroy it.



SM is useless, minato can only maintain it for a short period of time, it only improves his speed/reactions for one attack as shown in canon. Therefore unless minato is actually close to itachi then SM isn't going to be a factor, & with susanoo active minato isn't getting through even if he does get close with SM.



If this is referring to speed then it's irrelevant, if it's referring to actual strength then it's just untrue.

1. Even if minato is faster that doesn't mean itachi can't defend against minato's attacks, refer to sasuke vs ay.

2. Abc logic doesn't work.



How long do you think he can maintain SM for? Especially with itachi throwing multiple projectiles at him?



Again, refer to sasuke vs ay. Ay had the power to grab sasuke's susanoo & smash it, minato doesn't have that luxury. Ay with superior speed merely stalemated with sasuke who wasn't even using his most powerful susanoo, minato doesn't have enough power to bust susanoo [let alone yata] & he has no way of getting close without taking some damage through the multiple projectiles that would be thrown his way.

Also let's not forget how itachi was able to

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with KCM naruto in terms of CQC, & we already know who was able to dodge ay's fastest punch aside from minato.



Lol, As I said FTG is useless, & clones don't do anything that minato can't already. All they do is provide a mobile FTG mark & it's not that useful either way.

Agreed withe Ayy and Sasuke example, it does leave a question of how or if minato can take Itachi outside Susanoo?

 

[patskie14]

Minato spanks itachi low diff

 

[Apêx1]

Itachi shits. Since when can Susano be warped away from the user? That's like saying Hirashin can warp an opponent and leave his chakra network behind, or a limb for that matter. Itachi keeps Susano up the entire time until Minato runs out of viable FTG kunai's (and locations) or chakra.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Fukasaku and Shima use sound genjutsu to disorientate itachi and get him to drop his Susanoo. Minato then seals him with a 4 trigrams seal. GG.

 

[A v i]

Itachi shits. Since when can Susano be warped away from the user? That's like saying Hirashin can warp an opponent and leave his chakra network behind, or a limb for that matter. Itachi keeps Susano up the entire time until Minato runs out of viable FTG kunai's (and locations) or chakra.

Separating Susanoo from it's user is possible and it was canonically proved by Gaara. [

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OT: If Minato don't have a seal to seal Itachi then he gets outlasted and Itachi beats him.

 

[Apêx1]

Separating Susanoo from it's user is possible and it was canonically proved by Gaara. [

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OT: If Minato don't have a seal to seal Itachi then he gets outlasted and Itachi beats him.

Is that warping? No? That's what I thought. Hirashi cannot isolate the user when surrounded by an identical chakra signature, simple as that. When Sasuke was Hirashin'd, he took his ribcage with him [

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[KidGamer65]

Itachi shits. Since when can Susano be warped away from the user? That's like saying Hirashin can warp an opponent and leave his chakra network behind, or a limb for that matter. Itachi keeps Susano up the entire time until Minato runs out of viable FTG kunai's (and locations) or chakra.

Ever since it was proven that Susanoo can be separated from it's user. I could use the same reasoning to try and argue that the user can't be ripped out of Susanoo, only issue is...it happened in the manga. Susanoo, for obvious reasons, can't be compared to one's limb or their chakra network (Lol).

So no, it gets warped away.

Is that warping? No? That's what I thought. Hirashi cannot isolate the user when surrounded by an identical chakra signature, simple as that. When Sasuke was Hirashin'd, he took his ribcage with him [x].

Irrelevant. That's proof that Susanoo and it's user can be separated, thus Minato can separate them with teleportation. Gonna need to see some real proof for the second part of your post. No assumptions.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Is that warping? No? That's what I thought. Hirashi cannot isolate the user when surrounded by an identical chakra signature, simple as that. When Sasuke was Hirashin'd, he took his ribcage with him [

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Except minato can choose what to teleport and what to leave behind when using FTG. All he was trying to do was save Naruto and Sasuke at all costs, I don't think he cared whether or not he took the ribcages or not.

 

[A v i]

Is that warping? No? That's what I thought. Hirashi cannot isolate the user when surrounded by an identical chakra signature, simple as that. When Sasuke was Hirashin'd, he took his ribcage with him [

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He has no reason to separate Susanoo from Sasuke in that panel. It won't help you to prove that he can't separate them.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato stomps.

Frog Song beats Susanoo bunkering.

In close quarters Minato shi ts on him.

Genjutsu is countered by sensing+speed.

 

[Apêx1]

Ever since it was proven that Susanoo can be separated from it's user. I could use the same reasoning to try and argue that the user can't be ripped out of Susanoo, only issue is...it happened in the manga. Susanoo, for obvious reasons, can't be compared to one's limb or their chakra network (Lol).

No, that's no proof of anything. Susano is a manifestation of chakra that stems from the user and is in contact with the user as long as he is inside of it [

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So no, it gets warped away.



Irrelevant. That's proof that Susanoo and it's user can be separated, thus Minato can separate them with teleportation. Gonna need to see some real proof for the second part of your post. No assumptions.

So no, it doesn't.

How is that proof of anything? Lol.. If you look again, you will realise Sasuke's Susano wasn't left behind, seeing how the small remains that are released into the atmosphere were still there in the scan I provided, yet the rest of the Susano was not there (thus it went with Sasuke, and disappeared/was deactivated at the time we saw him). Now I'll be needing some proof of Minato being able to distinguish between two chakra signatures that are in direct contact with every part of each other.. and then teleport them. I'll be waiting, no assumptions.

 

[LuckyMan]

@Apêx

Minato can choose what he teleports.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, that's no proof of anything. Susano is a manifestation of chakra that stems from the user and is in contact with the user as long as he is inside of it [

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]. So no, as long as he is surrounded and in contact with Susano, Hirashin isn't affecting him separately from Susano. And yes, it can be compared. How it is different when both are in contact with every part of your body and the chakra signature is the same is beyond me, whether you are inside of Susano being teleported out, or your chakra network being inside you and teleported out.

You literally said nothing that you havent already stated. I know what Susanoo is, and nothing you are saying even begins to support that Susanoo can't be warped away, or the user can't be teleported out. Susanoo can be separated from the user without causing any kind of damage. Is that the same as separating an arm? Obviously not. Is that the same as being separated from your chakra network? Obviously not, and the fact you even made this ridiculous comparison. Do you even k ow what the chakra network is? I shouldn't even have to explain, because Susanoo was separated from it's user in canon...can Gaara do that to his chakra network? Lol, no. Stop making invalid comparisons.


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How is that proof of anything? Lol.. If you look again, you will realise Sasuke's Susano wasn't left behind, seeing how the small remains that are released into the atmosphere were still there in the scan I provided, yet the rest of the Susano was not there (thus it went with Sasuke, and disappeared/was deactivated at the time we saw him). Now I'll be needing some proof of Minato being able to distinguish between two chakra signatures that are in direct contact with every part of each other.. and then teleport them. I'll be waiting, no assumptions.

The simple fact that Minato can choose what he warps destroys the first half of your post, unless you can show me where Minato would have good reason to warp Susanoo away.

As for the second part. The more you post, the more I realize you ha e no real argument. I explicitly remember asking you to back up the bold with proof. Where is it ever implied or stated that Minato can't teleport two chakra signatures in direct contact with each other? You claim.that this is impossible like you have a scan that proves your point. Lol even though we both know that you are assuming things. Since when has the targets chakra ever influenced Minato's teleporation?

Get evidence. Stop making things up.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato was on Bunta yet he only warped Kurama. Minato can chose what he warps. Susanoo CAN be separated from the user. Do the math lol.

 

[Apêx1]

You literally said nothing that you havent already stated. I know what Susanoo is, and nothing you are saying even begins to support that Susanoo can't be warped away, or the user can't be teleported out. Susanoo can be separated from the user without causing any kind of damage. Is that the same as separating an arm? Obviously not. Is that the same as being separated from your chakra network? Obviously not, and the fact you even made this ridiculous comparison. Do you even k ow what the chakra network is? I shouldn't even have to explain, because Susanoo was separated from it's user in canon...can Gaara do that to his chakra network? Lol, no. Stop making invalid comparisons.

You fail to realise my point, once again. I know Susano can be separated from its aura physically. However, you have no way of proving the user can be separated from his very own chakra signature non-physically. Yuo can push someway away from his aura that he is in contact with similarly to how Itachi stood right outside his own Susano while it was active. He had no shroud, but it was standing just fine. However, when you have your aura active, and you are in contact with it, you cannot seperate the user.

The simple fact that Minato can choose what he warps destroys the first half of your post, unless you can show me where Minato would have good reason to warp Susanoo away.

Chooses between two different chakra signatures. Same chakra signatures? Gonna need proof for that, as he has 0 ways of distinguishing the difference between the two.

As for the second part. The more you post, the more I realize you ha e no real argument. I explicitly remember asking you to back up the bold with proof. Where is it ever implied or stated that Minato can't teleport two chakra signatures in direct contact with each other? You claim.that this is impossible like you have a scan that proves your point. Lol even though we both know that you are assuming things. Since when has the targets chakra ever influenced Minato's teleporation?

Get evidence. Stop making things up.

Two identical chakra signatures, not two differing ones. He can distinguish between differing ones, not with identical ones. If Minato doesn't teleport what he chooses based on chakra signature, what is he teleporting based on? Lol..

Minato was on Bunta yet he only warped Kurama. Minato can chose what he warps. Susanoo CAN be separated from the user. Do the math lol.

Fail comparison yet again. Bunta has the same chakra signature as Kurama? That's new to me. Susano can be seperated by making the user leave his shroud physically. What Hirashin does is in no way physical. It makes you teleport out, but how will it do that when it can't tell that there are two differing chakras present? When he Hirashin'd Sasuke with his Ribcage the Ribcage went along, it didn't stay behind.

 

[LuckyMan]

^Dat nicca banned he can't read your posts bruh.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

This is my alt.

You fail to realise my point, once again. I know Susano can be separated from its aura physically. However, you have no way of proving the user can be separated from his very own chakra signature non-physically.

There is literally no reason why he wouldn't be able to separate him. I'm waiting for you to actually tell me how it being his chakra means that he can't be separated from it with teleportation? Cause I've seen no logical reasoning from you besides "He can't do it". Based on what line of thinking?

Yuo can push someway away from his aura that he is in contact with similarly to how Itachi stood right outside his own Susano while it was active. He had no shroud, but it was standing just fine. However, when you have your aura active, and you are in contact with it, you cannot seperate the user.

Based on what again? Cause Madara was s

Chooses between two different chakra signatures. Same chakra signatures? Gonna need proof for that, as he has 0 ways of distinguishing the difference between the two.

This would assume that Minato uses the chakra signature of the target to pick which one he wants to warp, an assumption I've seen no proof on your side to support that.

Whatever Minato's chakra is touching, can be warped. That is all there is to Hiraishin. I don't know where this chakra signature nonsense is coming from, but it's not in the manga. Not at all. Minato's chakra is touching the Susanoo, so it can be warped. Minato's chakra also makes a connection with Itachi, so he can be warped outside of it to.

Two identical chakra signatures, not two differing ones. He can distinguish between differing ones, not with identical ones. If Minato doesn't teleport what he chooses based on chakra signature, what is he teleporting based on? Lol..

Read above.

Based on what his chakra touches. Lol, explained in the manga buddy. Makes more sense than your assumptions anyway. If his chakra is touching it, or he is making contact with it somehow, it is a target that can be warped, all that is left is for him to choose if he wants to warp it or not.

Fail comparison yet again. Bunta has the same chakra signature as Kurama? That's new to me. Susano can be seperated by making the user leave his shroud physically. What Hirashin does is in no way physical. It makes you teleport out, but how will it do that when it can't tell that there are two differing chakras present? When he Hirashin'd Sasuke with his Ribcage the Ribcage went along, it didn't stay behind.

being able to distinguish between two chakra signatures that are in direct contact with every part of each other

I highly suggest you word your posts better. Where does this even begin to imply you meant identical chakra signatures? Lol, oh wait, nowhere.

Like I said, you have zero evidence that Minato uses the chakra signature of the target to determine what he's going to warp. That shit makes no sense anyway considering not all of Minato's targets have chakra signatures. If your baseless assumption was true, how would he warp things with no chakra away?

"It only works on things that I or my chakra is touching in some way"

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Where does he mention the chakra signature of the target again? Lol.....

Lol, he wouldn't. You're wrong. Simple as that.

Again with the Sasuke stuff? Are you going to show me where he tried to warp Sasuke out of his Susanoo? If not, then don't mention it again.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

You fail to realise my point, once again. I know Susano can be separated from its aura physically. However, you have no way of proving the user can be separated from his very own chakra signature non-physically. Yuo can push someway away from his aura that he is in contact with similarly to how Itachi stood right outside his own Susano while it was active. He had no shroud, but it was standing just fine. However, when you have your aura active, and you are in contact with it, you cannot seperate the user.

I'm waiting for evidence that supports the opponent's chakra signature having anything to do with Hiraishin and how it selects warp targets.

Chooses between two different chakra signatures. Same chakra signatures? Gonna need proof for that, as he has 0 ways of distinguishing the difference between the two.

I'm waiting for evidence that supports the target's chakra signature having anything to do with Hiraishin and how it selects warp targets.

Two identical chakra signatures, not two differing ones. He can distinguish between differing ones, not with identical ones. If Minato doesn't teleport what he chooses based on chakra signature, what is he teleporting based on? Lol..

Question. Where did you read this? Because I know for sure it wasn't in the manga. You do know what I did read? How Minato selects warp targets.

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Whatever he or his chakra is touching is what he is able to warp, from there on out it's a choice. Don't know where this "Chakra Signature" business came from, but it wasn't from the manga. Just an assumption I guess. Lol

Fail comparison yet again. Bunta has the same chakra signature as Kurama? That's new to me.

The portion of the post I replied to made no mention of identical chakra signatures. Try wording your posts correctly next time.

Susano can be seperated by making the user leave his shroud physically. What Hirashin does is in no way physical.

You state that like it's an established fact, or at least a theory with evidence...but it's neither. Just an assumption.

It makes you teleport out, but how will it do that when it can't tell that there are two differing chakras present?

Read above. Not to mention I'm not seeing how this matters anyway.

When he Hirashin'd Sasuke with his Ribcage the Ribcage went along, it didn't stay behind.

Because he didn't choose to, no reason why he would have. Once again, not a counter.

 

[TRE MERCER]

^ Susanoo is warped away, and then Itachi gets Hiraishin blitzed. Or Itachi is warped out of Susanoo and then he gets Hiraishin blitzed.

Sasuke can't be warped from the user stop with the none sense... If that was true Sasuke wouldn't have went with his ribcage when they both were teleported...

yes, your stupidity is astonishing indeed.
1- Minato teleported Sasuke out of his Susanoo
2- the Susanoo is made of chakra, which Minato can link his to it, and teleport itachi out of it.
3- With SM, he would have Ma/Pa on his shoulders, and they have sound jutsus that bypass the Susanoo as we saw. Lol

The second photo does not appear to me. Lol

No Minato didn't teleport Sasuke out of his susanoo it clearly went with him... Everything is made of chakra in nv but Minato cannot teleport it... Minato's SM can last 3secs at the most not trying to here the none sense...

Also what stops Itachi from using K,A to one shot him? Or use Amaterasu in a 360 around him?

^Dat nicca banned he can't read your posts bruh.

Yes he can just because he's banned doesn't mean he isn't browsing as a guest which is good because he'll have to think long and hard about these counters...