DSM Kabuto vs KCM Naruto

[Beans2]

Location: cave
Intel: manga
Restrictions: Edo Tensei and multiple shadow clones. Naruto is NOT on friendly terms with kurama so he will not be supplied with the kyubi's chakra indefinitely (he can only use the set amount permitted by his contract)

 

[Seventh Sama]

Can Kabuto react to a kcm speed blitz? If so then kabuto will win.

 

[V h o]

So naruto can still use shadow clones then? Or are you restricting those completely?

 

[Omar19992010]

KCM Naruto High Difficulty. KCM Naruto is heavily underrated.

 

[Beans2]

So naruto can still use shadow clones then? Or are you restricting those completely?

He can only use 1 at a time

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The fight will be over the moment White Rage sets off.

Lets say it doesn't: SM Naruto stated he reacts better then KCM, which reacted to Ay's blitz (SM reactions seems to be on par). So Kabuto can react to a blitz or easily progress himself to (like how Naruto did to Juubito). Even then Naruto can't blitz and make ninjutsu at the same speed, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. Theres still ways to counter his speed much as Muki Tensei, when all it takes is to dis-balance Naruto from

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Kabuto can end it with:

Genjutsu (under these conditions)
Doton Doro
5 element seal (debatable). w/ White Rage.
Chakra scalpel.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The fight will be over the moment White Rage sets off.

Lets say it doesn't: SM Naruto stated he reacts better then KCM, which reacted to Ay's blitz (SM reactions seems to be on par). So Kabuto can react to a blitz or easily progress himself to (like how Naruto did to Juubito). Even then Naruto can't blitz and make ninjutsu at the same speed, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. Theres still ways to counter his speed much as Muki Tensei, when all it takes is to dis-balance Naruto from

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Kabuto can end it with:

Genjutsu (under these conditions)
Doton Doro
5 element seal (debatable). w/ White Rage.
Chakra scalpel.

None of these will work with a SM clone being next to him...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

None of these will work with a SM clone being next to him...

Well clone goes poof when under this genjutsu, as only limited of ninjutsu is accessible here.
SM clone can't input anything that can break doton doro, as it will regnerate. And Naruto can't form any of his ninjutsu just like in canon.
White Rage paralizes the clone too, so the rest of my points stays.

So instead of saying it won't work, you better back up you claim.

 

[Lariatoo]

Kabuto wins. Since they are not on friendly terms genjutsu GG.

 

[Unorthodox]

Clones wont be effected by white rage why the have no bones sensing helps against the bright light

Naruto wins Giant rasenshurikens ends this

 

[juzumaki]

he get mini bijuu bombed

 

[TRE MERCER]

Well clone goes poof when under this genjutsu, as only limited of ninjutsu is accessible here.
SM clone can't input anything that can break doton doro, as it will regnerate. And Naruto can't form any of his ninjutsu just like in canon.
White Rage paralizes the clone too, so the rest of my points stays.

So instead of saying it won't work, you better back up you claim.

Naruto clones are very durable so no genjutsu isn't doing anything to them... Sm clone can't break the doton wall? stop... SM Naruto threw the rhino summoning meteors into the sky hell it could even summong Gamabunta to do the job etc... WR is useless to a SM clone it has no bones to cringe once it comes out sensing makes WR useless...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Naruto clones are very durable so no genjutsu isn't doing anything to them...

No, SM clones go poof with direct hits unless you have feats to disprove me. Genjutsu doesn't work against "durable characters", are you listening to your counters? The reason why I said the clone goes poof is because once the orignal is hit by the genjutsu, his chakra gets disrupted and cancels it out. Like how Kabuto did from drooping/shutting down Susanoo.

Sm clone can't break the doton wall? stop... SM Naruto threw the rhino summoning meteors into the sky hell it could even summong Gamabunta to do the job etc...

I should re word what I mean. Breaking the doton walls is useless as the damage will regenerate just as fast. Its eating Naruto's senjutsu chakra or Kurama cloak at the same time too so it easily takes its strength and built it to rebuilt and make the wall stronger.

Gamabunta is a good counter as its mass should break free from the wall. But again it possible that Naruto wouldnt have time/chakra to do/think of it in time. Or Muki Tensei expanding the walls.

WR is useless to a SM clone it has no bones to cringe once it comes out sensing makes WR useless...

Um no clones are duplicates of orignal casters. And can feel pain so it isn't useless at all.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No, SM clones go poof with direct hits unless you have feats to disprove me. Genjutsu doesn't work against "durable characters", are you listening to your counters? The reason why I said the clone goes poof is because once the orignal is hit by the genjutsu, his chakra gets disrupted and cancels it out. Like how Kabuto did from drooping/shutting down Susanoo.

Stop clones are there own dependent chakra unlike susanoo which has to be constantly focused on to be maintained so lets throw that poor argument out of the window...

I should re word what I mean. Breaking the doton walls is useless as the damage will regenerate just as fast. Its eating Naruto's senjutsu chakra or Kurama cloak at the same time too so it easily takes its strength and built it to rebuilt and make the wall stronger.

Doesn't matter when naruto could just punch the ground and get free that way and when the entire thing is busted by an SM Punch it isn't rebuilding before they get out...

Gamabunta is a good counter as its mass should break free from the wall. But again it possible that Naruto wouldnt have time/chakra to do/think of it in time. Or Muki Tensei expanding the walls.



Um no clones are duplicates of orignal casters. And can feel pain so it isn't useless at all.

Stop acting like SM Naruto brute strength isn't enough alone let's say it wasn't Naruto simply preforms Combination Transformation which turns his clone into Kurama like he did with Gamabunta it's shape and size pulverizes the puny earth dome...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Stop clones are there own dependent chakra unlike susanoo which has to be constantly focused on to be maintained so lets throw that poor argument out of the window...

Um no:

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All of this states if something happens to the orignal, the clones can't act dependent.

Doesn't matter when naruto could just punch the ground and get free that way and when the entire thing is busted by an SM Punch it isn't rebuilding before they get out...

I guess your forgetting that this wall is powered up by Senjutsu and the fact that the ground is also being as difficult to get out here

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Stop acting like SM Naruto brute strength isn't enough alone let's say it wasn't Naruto simply preforms Combination Transformation which turns his clone into Kurama like he did with Gamabunta it's shape and size pulverizes the puny earth dome...

Im not acting like nothing. Strength isn't enough as its being power by Kabuto's senjutsu and Naruto's own chakra.

Again all depends if Naruto will have the chakra to summon bunta. @Bold how will it still be puny when I just said he could expand it with Muki Tensei?

Either way Naruto is going to be completely drain here, if this counter works.

Its good your drop the WR argument.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Um no:

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All of this states if something happens to the orignal, the clones can't act dependent.

That scan with Neji proves 0... Of course his clones would disappear if the original dies so again this doesn't help your genjutsu argument at all...

I guess your forgetting that this wall is powered up by Senjutsu and the fact that the ground is also being as difficult to get out here

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Im not acting like nothing. Strength isn't enough as its being power by Kabuto's senjutsu and Naruto's own chakra.

Again all depends if Naruto will have the chakra to summon bunta. @Bold how will it still be puny when I just said he could expand it with Muki Tensei?

Either way Naruto is going to be completely drain here, if this counter works.

Its good your drop the WR argument.

Not sure why your still on this argument? Summonings won't be needed when he can transform his clone into Kurama which it's huge size bust the damn dome... I dropped my WR argument no it still stands firm...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That scan with Neji proves 0... Of course his clones would disappear if the original dies so again this doesn't help your genjutsu argument at all...

Slowly adding less words due to lack of counter, huh?

It supports my argument because there is an interruption here. You stated that clones own dependent chakra. Yet this proves that they depend the the original to stay linked. This genjutsu on the other hand shuts down ninjutsu. If the clones depend on the orignal to keep themselves from going poof, then the ninjutsu the genjutsu shuts down, also shuts the link between the clone.

Not sure why your still on this argument? Summonings won't be needed when he can transform his clone into Kurama which it's huge size bust the damn dome... I dropped my WR argument no it still stands firm...

@Bold: Um not thats a damn weak argument, not possible, and sig worthy statement.

@Underline: Mind as well since manga doesn't support you at all. You stated they have no bones(debunked). So White Rage paralyzes clones too, sensing is useless here as your being stun and cant do nothing about it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Slowly adding less words due to lack of counter, huh?

It supports my argument because there is an interruption here. You stated that clones own dependent chakra. Yet this proves that they depend the the original to stay linked. This genjutsu on the other hand shuts down ninjutsu. If the clones depend on the orignal to keep themselves from going poof, then the ninjutsu the genjutsu shuts down, also shuts the link between the clone.

Less words a wall of text isn't needed for those scans... Of course in death the clones will poof just like how Madara TSB deflated when he died... No your acting like genjutsu shuts down Ninjutsu literally no it doesn't so i guess if Minato is caught in genjutsu ftg is shutdown as well... Death is far more absolute than Tayuya pathetic genjutsu which can be sent back by futon which Naruto has... @Bold you pulled that out of your ass enough with the Bs...

@Bold: Um not thats a damn weak argument, not possible, and sig worthy statement.

@Underline: Mind as well since manga doesn't support you at all. You stated they have no bones(debunked). So White Rage paralyzes clones too, sensing is useless here as your being stun and cant do nothing about it.

Do you not how combination transformation works you clearly don't so sig it up... Clones have bones? there nothing but manifested chakra... Also WR can easily be destroyed via Rasenshuriken... Or he could simply use Gamabunta to shield him off away from the effects...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Less words a wall of text isn't needed for those scans... Of course in death the clones will poof just like how Madara TSB deflated when he died... No your acting like genjutsu shuts down Ninjutsu literally no it doesn't so i guess if Minato is caught in genjutsu ftg is shutdown as well... Death is far more absolute than Tayuya pathetic genjutsu which can be sent back by futon which Naruto has... @Bold you pulled that out of your ass enough with the Bs...

I didn't say literally. What I stated that it is clear that theres limited used of chakra when being under it. We have seen Yin Release (Uchiha/Genjutsu and Shikimaru's clan move) the only use of chakra capable of being supportive here. When this genjutsu was stated to not only stop movements but halts the

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Do you not how combination transformation works you clearly don't so sig it up... Clones have bones? there nothing but manifested chakra... Also WR can easily be destroyed via Rasenshuriken... Or he could simply use Gamabunta to shield him off away from the effects...

No its clearly you dont. As no feats or manga imples you can extend transformation thats not of your sizes. Drop this arugment as you have nothing, NOTHING, to support this claim

Um no Clones become exact replicas of the caster, they can even draw blood if they have too. I guess they just made of blood and chakra now Lol.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I didn't say literally. What I stated that it is clear that theres limited used of chakra when being under it. We have seen Yin Release (Uchiha/Genjutsu and Shikimaru's clan move) the only use of chakra capable of being supportive here. When this genjutsu was stated to not only stop movements but halts the

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No its clearly you dont. As no feats or manga imples you can extend transformation thats not of your sizes. Drop this arugment as you have nothing, NOTHING, to support this claim

Um no Clones become exact replicas of the caster, they can even draw blood if they have too. I guess they just made of blood and chakra now Lol.

Still nothing suggesting it put down a clone huh? Neither did you counter how would he be caught by the genjutsu either? He turned his clones into rocks.(

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). is that more than enough proof of he can transform his clones to almost anthing? When did Naruto clones ever bleed? Plus you never explained how he would catch Naruto inside the Earth dome...

Matter of fact Kabuto can't even preform these techs i was letting you get a fanfic pass but you talking like you got this so since f*ck youngD imma show you what imma do...