the mentality of kishi - he was a nerd who was bullied in school

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So you analyzed Kishi's youth all from a manga he wrote.
Call it what you want, it's excuses cited from bias towards the manga. You do not know his life or proper details of his youth to safely think he was autistic and troubled socially so this "analysis" is immature
well i actually have some other proof about that

i have heard him say in an interview dat he and his twin brother were small when they were little and were bullied so i am actually right about that

usually problems like these leads to ppl becoming social misfits
 

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that is what it reads like to me
"But after coming this far" he obviously means sakura coming far with sasuke
"having her switch over to naruto would make her a terrible woman"
that is how i am seeing this
"sakura has come to far with sasuke and should not leave him and switch over too naruto even if he tried to kill her or she'll be a terrible woman"



i have taken in both the bad and the good and i find the bad out weighs the good
hes weak in all types of relationships it seems
brothers, friends, and women all around

i would never has suspected that naruto was sasukes best friend or even a friend if he didnt say it. not much implies he cares much about nardo just his clan. and sasuke thinking team 7 r his family? lmao would sasuke try to murder his family? i dont think so

i dont like nardo cause kishi didnt give my favs screen time
its more about the very bad relationships and asspulls and stuff

nardos popularity does not surprise me really, if twilight can be popular why cant nardo?
Really? I wonder what kept you reading then? I never hesitate to drop a series if bad outweighs good for me, so I am ever surprised that people follow such a book for years.

Asspull stuff is as much exaggerated as any other criticism. I would pay attention to that complaint when I will really get an unbiased list. Except for a few most people make a list based on stuff they had forgotten the details about or wanted to be written in some other way( usually a cliche twist from some other manga they had found interesting and wanted in here too).

What he didn't say was probably that he didn't want Sasuke to lose a childhood admirer too after losing it all and to make him feel a little bit more welcome in Konoha and give him a reason to return. The second main MC of shonnen, whether you like him or not.

And it wouldn't make much difference to Sakura haters. I can already see the threads like:

"See Naruto gave up even his arm and Sakura made all his sacrifice useless by rejecting Sasuke in the end. " "so useless that she made even Naruto's efforts useless", " that she made him do all this only to dump the guy in the end.

There is no win situation for a female character like Sakura in shonnen with teen males in audience. She keeps trying to compete with the guys in her team and despite everything she is simply not there because she didn't get a single easy power up. She represents typical feminist who tries to compete but still keeps lagging because of physical barriers. And on top of it she still thinks she deserves recognition for her efforts. pft... Lee gets respect but not Sakura who is almost in similar situation, when it comes to fighting abilities and despite being one of the best medics on the field( without a linage or blood traits).

Hell the other day someone made a thread for Rukia despite her getting similar hate in her own fandom ( in proportion to popularity of and among Bleach fanbase of course). Similar was the case for even less important character Hiromi back in original Beyblade series. ..

In the end I find it hard to believe despite what people say that they find more bad thing than good when they don't want to move on. If you don't like something it's easier to move on. So much passion to keep coming back for something you didn't like? That's just denial to cope with the personal disappointments. Or what makes different you different from Sakura- if you are coming back to a maga which gave you the same treatment as Sasuke gave to Sakura?

well i actually have some other proof about that

i have heard him say in an interview dat he and his twin brother were small when they were little and were bullied so i am actually right about that

usually problems like these leads to ppl becoming social misfits
Keep generalizing and stereotyping when you probably don't have enough credentials to even diagnose your own patient. Less the credentials more the conviction of being correct about a clinical diagnosis it seems. :|
 
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well i actually have some other proof about that

i have heard him say in an interview dat he and his twin brother were small when they were little and were bullied so i am actually right about that

usually problems like these leads to ppl becoming social misfits
I'm not even going to ask for a source because that changes nothing on whether his manga was affected by this supposed negative life you think he had and still has. The man is happy and is making tons of money he is very proud of his manga and loves his family. There's nothing you can consistently show for that Kishi's negative personal life experiences affected this manga or certain character(s). Appreciate the work he poured into for us, the readers and or viewers of the series instead of making an immature analysis off of bias assumptions
 

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Really? I wonder what kept you reading then? I never hesitate to drop a series if bad outweighs good for me, so I am ever surprised that people follow such a book for years.

Asspull stuff is as much exaggerated as any other criticism. I would pay attention to that complaint when I will really get an unbiased list. Except for a few most people make a list based on stuff they had forgotten the details about or wanted to be written in some other way( usually a cliche twist from some other manga they had found interesting and wanted in here too).

What he didn't say was probably that he didn't want Sasuke to lose a childhood admirer too after losing it all and to make him feel a little bit more welcome in Konoha and give him a reason to return. The second main MC of shonnen, whether you like him or not.

And it wouldn't make much difference to Sakura haters. I can already see the threads like:

"See Naruto gave up even his arm and Sakura made all his sacrifice useless by rejecting Sasuke in the end. " "so useless that she made even Naruto's efforts useless", " that she made him do all this only to dump the guy in the end.

There is no win situation for a female character like Sakura in shonnen with teen males in audience. She keeps trying to compete with the guys in her team and despite everything she is simply not there because she didn't get a single easy power up. She represents typical feminist who tries to compete but still keeps lagging because of physical barriers. And on top of it she still thinks she deserves recognition for her efforts. pft...

Hell the other day someone made a thread for Rukia despite her getting similar hate in her own fandom ( in proportion to popularity of and among Bleach fanbase of course). Similar was the case for even less important character Hiromi back in original Beyblade series. ..

In the end I find it hard to believe despite what people say that they find more bad thing than good when they don't want to move on. If you don't like something it's easier to move on. So much passion to keep coming back for something you didn't like? That's just denial to cope with the personal disappointments. Or what makes different you different from Sakura- if you are coming back to a maga which gave you the same treatment as Sasuke gave to Sakura?
i'll admit to missing quite a bit of nardo
started reading again from about obitos reveal and well the only reason i read was cause i wanted to see the end

the greatest asspull i would say is the great snake escape, i dont see what else u could call that one
also kakashi gaining obitos MS and making a susanoo!
sasuke pulling hawks out of his ass
izanami, so itachi just happened to have a never seen before technique that was perfect for defeating kabuto?
and other stuff i cant remember right now

did he have to say sakura was a terrible woman if she left him though? he could worded it far better

she did somehow hurt kaguya, dont know how she did that

well rukia is now uber strong cause of all the RG training so nobody can say shes weak now

u see i am naturally a very negative person
most of the time i enjoy being negative. its far more fun to talk about something u hate then what u like

thats why i come back for nardo
 

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I'm not even going to ask for a source because that changes nothing on whether his manga was affected by this supposed negative life you think he had and still has. The man is happy and is making tons of money he is very proud of his manga and loves his family. There's nothing you can consistently show for that Kishi's negative personal life experiences affected this manga or certain character(s). Appreciate the work he poured into for us, the readers and or viewers of the series instead of making an immature analysis off of bias assumptions
he is happy now but he wasnt always happy
what happens to u when ur little stays with u forever. kids r vulnerable like dat
 

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he is happy now but he wasnt always happy
what happens to u when ur little stays with u forever. kids r vulnerable like dat
No one is always happy. You don't have enough proof to go and say " Kishi was troubled and autistic and that's why his manga or this certain character ended up bad" do you understand why your analysis is immature? It's because of the lack of credentials you have to make such an analysis
 

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he is happy now but he wasnt always happy
what happens to u when ur little stays with u forever. kids r vulnerable like dat
Or you are hoping that he is not happy enough or that at least some people get their "feather rustled" and not feel happy and thus entertain you by getting angry or that people support you in discussing how unhappy someone and entertain you that way by negative gossip about a stranger. What does that make you Dr. phill?
 

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No one is always happy. You don't have enough proof to go and say " Kishi was troubled and autistic and that's why his manga or this certain character ended up bad" do you understand why your analysis is immature? It's because of the lack of credentials you have to make such an analysis
i didnt he was autistic! i just think he probs is autistic
and he was troubled as a youth, he said so himself

its from nardo forum so idk how to link cause this place doesnt allow dat but here


People laughed at Masashi Kishimoto during his childhood when he said his dream was to become a manga artist. Now, the native of western Okayama Prefecture has created one of the most popular and successful ninja manga series ever and can boast of legions of fans around the world.

Still, Kishimoto remains humble. He says he’s surprised that he could even enter the manga business.

Kishimoto’s rise to stardom resembles the journey of Naruto, the main character in the “Naruto” manga series that ended its spectacular 15-year run in the Weekly Shonen Jump comic anthology on Nov. 10.

Naruto must overcome initial disappointments to finally fulfill his dream of becoming “Hokage,” the grand leader of his ninja village.

“(Naruto) is similar to me in some respects,” Kishimoto said in an exclusive interview with The Asahi Shimbun. “I also love ramen.”

The artist said the Naruto character, who fell behind his peers, reflected Kishimoto’s own childhood.

“I was unable to do well in school and felt a strong sense of inferiority,” he said. “When Naruto said, ‘I will be Hokage,’ people surrounding him laughed at his dream. Since childhood, I also told others that I would be a manga artist but had no foundation.

“Unlike Naruto, I did not have the courage to declare that I will become a manga creator at any cost. So I would just say in my mind, ‘It may be possible.’”

Kishimoto said his career in the comic world was unexpected.

“It is unbelievable that I am working as one of the manga creators who have to write stories and depict many characters, because I was poor at the Japanese subject in school,” he said. “I could not answer questions requiring students to guess the feelings of characters in stories in school exams.”

Naruto is well known for his unique dialect “dattebayo,” which is sometimes translated into “believe it.” At first, he was seen as a dropout in his ninja academy.

But the young ninja grows both mentally and physically through interactions with friends and battles with enemies.

The series features hand-to-hand combat, illusion arts and battles of wits. Huge toads, a common symbol in traditional Kabuki plays, also appear in the action scenes that have gained widespread popularity both at home and abroad.

The series has sold more than 200 million copies around the world.

Naruto does not just defeat his enemies with force; he also uses words to achieve victory. Kishimoto cited Naruto’s verbal persuasion to get Pain, one of his main enemies, to stop fighting.

“Boys’ comics inevitably feature violent scenes. But I wanted to tell (readers) that enemies who resort to violence probably do so because of unavoidable reasons,” Kishimoto said. “And if (the protagonists) defeat them without understanding their motivation, it could end up leading to a repeat of the same thing.”

Ending a battle through dialogue may have been almost taboo in comics for boys, he said.

Kishimoto said “Naruto” is also distinctive in the way the hero pursues the path to his dream.

“In most boys’ manga, the protagonists typically achieve dynamic growth in the first episodes and continue to behave the way they believe to be good and affect other characters,” the manga artist said. “But Naruto faces the challenge of how he can create a world where there are no conflicts, as he battles Pain. I could have made him go his way without agony, but I thought it would be wrong in some aspects.”

Kishimoto also had to overcome many difficulties before his great success with “Naruto.”

Although he had earlier won a manga prize, Kishimoto spent two years reading books on how to write scenarios and studied dialogue in films to learn about story structure and directorial techniques. He also studied oil painting at an art collage.

Only after all that work did Kishimoto start the “Naruto” series in the magazine.

“Life is colorful,” Kishimoto said. “It is the reality of a manga protagonist to face obstacles.”

In the comment column of the Nov. 10 Jump magazine, the manga creator said farewell: “Otsukare-sama dattebayo!” (Good job and goodbye dattebayo!)

Source : The Asahi Shimbun

Or you are hoping that he is not happy enough or that at least some people get their "feather rustled" and not feel happy and thus entertain you by getting angry or that people support you in discussing how unhappy someone and entertain you that way by negative gossip about a stranger. What does that make you Dr. phill?
i must admit to enjoy seeing people get offended but i dont offend them on purpose!

im not sure who dr phil is but thats not the first time someone called me that
 

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heres the one where he admits he had a small body and was bullied

Kishimoto about Naruto & Sasuke
Question: ナルトとサスケは最初から最後まで、まさに双子の兄弟のような関係ですもんね。

実際に僕自身が本当に双子なので、小さい頃からナルトが感じていたような感覚を持って育ってき たんです。

この話は格好悪のであんまり話したくはないんですけど、小学生の頃は2人とも体が小さくて、

休み時間になるとよく弟がキン肉々ンに登場するパロスぺシャルという技をかけでられていたんで す。

別にいじめられていたれけではないのですが、体が小さいと何か技をかけれる時期じゃないですか 。

そんな弟を見ていると、まるで自分が技をかけられているように痛かったんです。

まあ実際に僕は僕で、弟の隣でキン肉ドライバーをかけられていたっていうのもあるんですが。( 笑)

でも変な話ですが、そういう時に「俺たちて兄弟なんだな」というを強く感じたんですよ。

弟との繋がりを意識した瞬間というか。

それが高校生や大学生になると、友達が失恋したり何か上手くいかないことがあると、

小学生時代弟に対して抱た感覚と同じ感覚になるようにもなったんです。

そこで「俺はコイツと本当に仲がいいんだな」って改めて思ったりしました。

だから僕にとっては兄弟愛と友情は同じなんです。

そういう意味では、双子生まれてきてよかったと思います。

ナルトとサスケの 友情の原型は,まさに僕と弟だったわけですから。

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Question : From start to finish, Naruto & Sasuke's relation mirrors one of two twin brothers, right ?

Kishimoto : Because I have myself a twin brother ( Seishi Kishimoto ), It was like I really felt what Naruto felt himself since his time as a kid while growing up.
This story is kinda uncool, so I don't want to talk about it really, but ... me and my brother had really small bodies during our time as grade school students.

During holidays, classmates used to do on me the Paro Special of Kinnikuman when he enters the scene in the manga.

It's not really bullying, but since he had such a small body it wasn't good for me.

And when I watched him like this, I felt the pain that he was enduring, like it was me who tried the techique.
In reality, I could sometime hear my brother's brother's classmates trying the Kinniku Driver in his next classroom.

It's a strange story, you know. But this was during these moments that I really felt like "You really are my brother."
Like it was felling physically my bond with my brother.

When we became High School Students and College Students, a friend had one sided love, everything doesn't go always as planned.
So there was times, with my friends, when I felt I was in with my brother again, during our time as grade school students.

Then I remember thinking about my friend:"Me and this guy really get along great."
My point is, brotherly love and frienship ... For me are the same thing.

So, I really think I was lucky to have Seishi as my brother.

The model for Naruto & Sasuke's frienship, is modelled after the one I felt with my brother.
 

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I think I read somewhere that he felt always felt inferior to his brother or something like that and that shows in the brothers in the manga.
yeah he did

i was baffled when he compared sasuke and narutos relationship to one of twin brothers

like kishi did u ever interact with ur brother at all? its nothing like sasuke and narutos relationship
 

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i'll admit to missing quite a bit of nardo
started reading again from about obitos reveal and well the only reason i read was cause i wanted to see the end

the greatest asspull i would say is the great snake escape, i dont see what else u could call that one
also kakashi gaining obitos MS and making a susanoo!
sasuke pulling hawks out of his ass
izanami, so itachi just happened to have a never seen before technique that was perfect for defeating kabuto?
and other stuff i cant remember right now

did he have to say sakura was a terrible woman if she left him though? he could worded it far better

she did somehow hurt kaguya, dont know how she did that

well rukia is now uber strong cause of all the RG training so nobody can say shes weak now

u see i am naturally a very negative person
most of the time i enjoy being negative. its far more fun to talk about something u hate then what u like

thats why i come back for nardo
Great sanke escape was partially preplanned- I suppose you are referring to how Sasuke was summoned back by Suigetsu when Deirara used his bomb. Sasuke used a considerable amount of chakra in suppressing Oro too. So unless Oro was out he was not that much down. It was a mater of fractions of a minute. What's the big deal? At the most you could wish for one extra panel to make it more clear.

Kakshi got Obito's MS for few minutes because Obito kind of transmigrated back for the purpose. It was Obito's chakra and Kakshi was just a medium. Obito didn't get both eyes and sage chakra almost till his end( when he stole Sage of six path chakra from Madara and got both his eyes finally. He would have been haxed if he had all that before- or even both his eyes at the same time earlier).

I can understand If you believed you needed more explanations and detailing but it's not like it was something impossible within that verse.
 

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i didnt he was autistic! i just think he probs is autistic
and he was troubled as a youth, he said so himself

its from nardo forum so idk how to link cause this place doesnt allow dat but here


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im not sure who dr phil is but thats not the first time someone called me that
Here some verbatim for what I bolded
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Those interviews are in reference to his comparison to Naruto and the other one about brotherly bonds. Nothing to take into accordance there, still immature analysis
 

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Great sanke escape was partially preplanned- I suppose you are referring to how Sasuke was summoned back by Suigetsu when Deirara used his bomb. Sasuke used a considerable amount of chakra in suppressing Oro too. So unless Oro was out he was not that much down. It was a mater of fractions of a minute. What's the big deal? At the most you could wish for one extra panel to make it more clear.

Kakshi got Obito's MS for few minutes because Obito kind of transmigrated back for the purpose. It was Obito's chakra and Kakshi was just a medium. Obito didn't get both eyes and sage chakra almost till his end( when he stole Sage of six path chakra from Madara and got both his eyes finally. He would have been haxed if he had all that before- or even both his eyes at the same time earlier).

I can understand If you believed you needed more explanations and detailing but it's not like it was something impossible within that verse.
its not that actually
how did he have enough chakra to summon that giant snake AND mind control it? he was almost out when he did this
wouldnt orochimaru have come out if he stopped suppressing him during diedara battle like with itachi?


how did obito come back from the dead just to give kakashi all his powers? thats just random
 

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Here some verbatim for what I bolded
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Those interviews are in reference to his comparison to Naruto and the other one about brotherly bonds. Nothing to take into accordance there, still immature analysis
im still not 100% sure but i am quite comfortable in saying kishi has autism

and they dont make any sense...
i dont see how a normal person could come up with them.
unless hes hiding his mistakes. then he would be a deceiver and thats even worse then having autism
 

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its not that actually
how did he have enough chakra to summon that giant snake AND mind control it? he was almost out when he did this
wouldnt orochimaru have come out if he stopped suppressing him during diedara battle like with itachi?


how did obito come back from the dead just to give kakashi all his powers? thats just random
Kamui link. There were thread about detailed discussion. Search for it if you are really interested. I don't have time right now to look it up for it right now but it's there. BTW I edited the last post slightly.

Genjutssu for like less than a minute - and you just ignored that Sasuke didn't lack chakra that much. When he truly spent his reserved chakra to the brink later on during his fight with Itachi, Oro came out.

It's random only for people who like to post more than they read. :p

im still not 100% sure but i am quite comfortable in saying kishi has autism

and they dont make any sense...
i dont see how a normal person could come up with them.
unless hes hiding his mistakes. then he would be a deceiver and thats even worse then having autism
We can make a similar diagnosis about you based on your forum behaviour and we would be comfortable too. It wouldn't make it true would it?
 
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im still not 100% sure but i am quite comfortable in saying kishi has autism

and they dont make any sense...
i dont see how a normal person could come up with them.
unless hes hiding his mistakes. then he would be a deceiver and thats even worse then having autism
Sig worthy and I'm done discussing this, no hard feelings ok, later..
 

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I don't think you need to be pretending to be an armchair psychologist when you can't even type a proper complete sentence. Let's start at the baby steps, shall we?
 

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Are members also autistic or misogynistic if they like Sasuke or Sakura for whichever reason? Here's my diagnose for you - this is an attention-seeking ***** thread. I know I must become a psychologist.
 

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Kamui link. There were thread about detailed discussion. Search for it if you are really interested. I don't have time right now to look it up for it right now but it's there. BTW I edited the last post slightly.

It's random only for people who like to post more than they read. :p
kamui link? ok i'll see if i can find

kamui lets u jump dimension, so maybe he can come back from the dead
but transferring powers to someone else? i dont see how that one makes sense
 
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