NaruHina fans

[Natsu Shazneel]

Not at all.

Neji didn't have to die for NH.


That confession should have been enough.

Yup so this kinda makes no sense.

 

[Koshej]

Again and again:
Kishi is known for talking bull.
I know it sounds stupid, but I think that his manga has a life of its own, to a degree.
Thus, according to what Neji himself said in the MANGA - it was about HIS development much more than about NaruHina.
The whole "choosing to protect the Main branch (and his closest relative) with one's life", just like his own DAD did as well.
This has NOTHING to do with NaruHina - but EVERYTHING to do with Hinata and Naruto SEPARATELY.
Naruto is the reason Neji saw the LIGHT (live NOW, and the way YOU choose).
Hinata is the LIGHT itself (Neji's CHOSEN priority, even if it means DYING while SAVING her).
NaruHina has no say in this at all.
Which is obvious from the fact that it STILL needed a time skip and a movie anyways.
Not that I liked THAT part, but as of Neji - he didn't die FOR NaruHina or BECAUSE of NaruHina AT ALL.
He died to accentuate his personal CHOICE.
Still SAD, of course.

 

[superturtle]

Can we all just agree that Kishimoto sucks absolute balls at romance and move on?

 

[Shruikan]

Can we all just agree that Kishimoto sucks absolute balls at romance and move on?

Shippers never move on.Is this your first series or something?

I have yet to see a series where shippers move on in a even a year.I am already involved in the Bleach shipping wars as well and the situation there is similar Lol
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Of course I dont behave uncivilised if my pairing doesnt happen but then in Bleach's case both of them make sense anyway

 

[superturtle]

Shippers never move on.Is this your first series or something?

I have yet to see a series where shippers move on in a even a year.I am already involved in the Bleach shipping wars as well and the situation there is similar Lol
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Of course I dont behave uncivilised if my pairing doesnt happen but then in Bleach's case both of them make sense anyway

Because people that obsess over the relationships of fictional characters and drawings are ****ing crazy. Especially in a series where the romance was written as badly as it was in Naruto.

 

[Shruikan]

Because people that obsess over the relationships of fictional characters and drawings are ****ing crazy. Especially in a series where the romance was written as badly as it was in Naruto.

Not everyone agrees really.Bad to some is good to others.If it was as bad as you claim it was we would never have so big shipping wars would we?

The only way to avoid all this fiasco is to go the One Piece and DBZ route and not write it altogether.Alas money beckons

 

[paratise]

Because people that obsess over the relationships of fictional characters and drawings are ****ing crazy. Especially in a series where the romance was written as badly as it was in Naruto.

Twilight principle: self insertation.
It makes them crazy. They live the romances they would like to through these characters.

NaruHina shippers have high amount of doormat type of woman lovers while SasuSaku has girls who want to "heal/fix the bad guy" for ex. There are exceptions of course but i can not see why people would go this far for fictional pairings if they do not make them personal.

 

[superturtle]

Not everyone agrees really.Bad to some is good to others.If it was as bad as you claim it was we would never have so big shipping wars would we?

The only way to avoid all this fiasco is to go the One Piece and DBZ route and not write it altogether.Alas money beckons

To me, a romance is invalidated if there's no reason for the characters to have feelings in the first place. That's why Naruto/Sakura and Sakura/Sasuke are horrible IMO. There was literally no reason for the first to have feelings for the second. Especially Naruto. He tried to give a reason for Hinata/Naruto but that fell flat on its face after Kishimoto made her confess and then literally did nothing with it throughout the series until 699 and 700. The romance was just a cheap tool to create drama and interest in his story. It's certainly acceptable as far as Shounen battle mangas go but certainly not enough for me to put an inkling of actual emotional investment into it.

 

[Shruikan]

To me, a romance is invalidated if there's no reason for the characters to have feelings in the first place. That's why Naruto/Sakura and Sakura/Sasuke are horrible IMO. There was literally no reason for the first to have feelings for the second. Especially Naruto. He tried to give a reason for Hinata/Naruto but that fell flat on its face after Kishimoto made her confess and then literally did nothing with it throughout the series until 699 and 700. The romance was just a cheap tool to create drama and interest in his story. It's certainly acceptable as far as Shounen battle mangas go but certainly not enough for me to put an inkling of actual emotional investment into it.

Thats why I said its subjective.It was clearly there very much so as to put a ton of emotions into it since even the VA's are shipping it and all interviews with Kishimoto just cant seem to side skirt the subject.In fact I feel its more explosive than most romance novels.He did a half ass job on all of them and thats what made it even worse.He trolled a pairing for 15 years all the while ignoring the ones he set out to actually do.He should take a leaf out of Kubo's and Oda's book when it comes to that


Now I may have the unpopular opinion on this but personally I would take SS over NH for the simple reason because I can actually see it in the manga even if its negative and although I am not a fan of Sakura and Sasuke,I like the latter character and as far as the former goes will take her over Hinata any day.I tried to like NH but the Hinata side of the equation is something I really dislike.Personal preference I guess

 

[superturtle]

Thats why I said its subjective.It was clearly there very much so as to put a ton of emotions into it since even the VA's are shipping it and all interviews with Kishimoto just cant seem to side skirt the subject.In fact I feel its more explosive than most romance novels.He did a half ass job on all of them and thats what made it even worse.He trolled a pairing for 15 years all the while ignoring the ones he set out to actually do.He should take a leaf out of Kubo's and Oda's book when it comes to that


Now I may have the unpopular opinion on this but personally I would take SS over NH for the simple reason because I can actually see it in the manga even if its negative and although I am not a fan of Sakura and Sasuke,I like the latter character and as far as the former goes will take her over Hinata any day.I tried to like NH but the Hinata side of the equation is something I really dislike.Personal preference I guess

I know. I've seen you bash Hinata enough to clearly know your feelings on her character. Blame Kishimoto for not making his pairing fodder more than 1 dimensional I guess. Still don't see why it wasn't painfully obvious to people that Hinata was designed as Naruto's love interest though.

 

[Shruikan]

I know. I've seen you bash Hinata enough to clearly know your feelings on her character. Blame Kishimoto for not making his pairing fodder more than 1 dimensional I guess. Still don't see why it wasn't painfully obvious to people that Hinata was designed as Naruto's love interest though.

Because Naruto didnt show any feelings to her in the manga.We never saw anything concrete TBH.It was all from Hinata's side

The funny thing is Sasuke showed more emotion to Sakura than Naruto to Hinata in the manga negative or otherwise

 

[superturtle]

Because Naruto didnt show any feelings to her in the manga.We never saw anything concrete TBH.It was all from Hinata's side

The funny thing is Sasuke showed more emotion to Sakura than Naruto to Hinata in the manga negative or otherwise

Her concept art literally has Naruto in the background and she's wearing an Uzumaki crest necklace. Her character literally revolves around Naruto in a storytelling perspective. It should have been obvious.

 

[Shruikan]

Her concept art literally has Naruto in the background and she's wearing an Uzumaki crest necklace. Her character literally revolves around Naruto in a storytelling perspective. It should have been obvious.

Yes but I am talking more about Naruto's side.Maybe because I have read Bleach it doesnt make sense to me.In Bleach,Orihime is basically just like Hinata except Ichigo showed feelings to her which I didnt see in Naruto

Concept art doesnt mean anything.If he designed it from the start there were absolutely no clues to it because Naruto never saw her that way

 

[superturtle]

Yes but I am talking more about Naruto's side.Maybe because I have read Bleach it doesnt make sense to me.In Bleach,Orihime is basically just like Hinata except Ichigo showed feelings to her which I didnt see in Naruto

Concept art doesnt mean anything.If he designed it from the start there were absolutely no clues to it because Naruto never saw her that way

You know why? Because the second he shows Naruto having an inkling of romantic feelings for Hinata it's game over. The shipping wars are done. It was a plot device used to create interest. If it's well done it can be compelling, but this was far from well done.

 

[Shruikan]

You know why? Because the second he shows Naruto having an inkling of romantic feelings for Hinata it's game over. The shipping wars are done. It was a plot device used to create interest. If it's well done it can be compelling, but this was far from well done.

Not really.In bleach Ichigo has showed similar feelings to both Rukia and Orihime.Its anyone's guess what may happen.
I am not talking necessarily romantic feelings.Make them interact.First let me see them as actual friends not something like Hinata appearing after a few 50 chapters and disappearing for the next 50
Orihime and Ichigo interact on a regular basis.This is the main reason why NH is hard for me to swallow because I have seen its equivalent in much better shape

 

[superturtle]

Not really.In bleach Ichigo has showed similar feelings to both Rukia and Orihime.Its anyone's guess what may happen.
I am not talking necessarily romantic feelings.Make them interact.First let me see them as actual friends not something like Hinata appearing after a few 50 chapters and disappearing for the next 50

That's what I've been saying. When it's well done it can be compelling, but it was just lazily done by Kishimoto. It was H-> N-> S->S for the whole story. It's boring and obvious. Every love line trope I've seen ever just breaks it down the middle so it ends up as H <-> N and S <-> S.

 

[Shruikan]

That's what I've been saying. When it's well done it can be compelling, but it was just lazily done by Kishimoto. It was H-> N-> S->S for the whole story. It's boring and obvious. Every love line trope I've seen ever just breaks it down the middle so it ends up as H <-> N and S <-> S.

And while breaking it they actually develop it too.In the manga there is absolutely nothing which shows N->H for 699 chapters.Funnily enough its there for S->S and I actually have a good legit reason why Sasuke behaved like that with Sakura while for Naruto people keep giving BS excuses that he for 2 years he forgot about Hinata because he is an idiotLol

 

[superturtle]

And while breaking it they actually develop it too.In the manga there is absolutely nothing which shows N->H for 699 chapters.Funnily enough its there for S->S Lol

No. While Naruto didnt show romantic feelings for Hinata he did show a certain fondness for her. Just about as much as Sasuke and Sakuras actually. Naruto was the one that claimed he understood Hinata enough to see the insecurities in her eyes and cheered her up.

 

[Shruikan]

Good for you. Apparently some people did because there are shippers on that side too.

Precisely.Thats why shipping wars existed.Thats why I got into Bleach shipping wars because to me I feel IR and IO are NS and NH done right

 

[Koshej]

1. I might be very biased towards NaruHina, because unlike you guys above, Hinata is my fav character of the series.
NOT because of her "being a door mat" (or worse, "having boobs") - but because of her OBVIOUS development and selflessness, both being turned into actual plot devices.
I see none of it with Sakura - unless you include NEGATIVE plot devices like Failfession as well.
At least Hinata's were always POSITIVE.
Also, why do you ignore that Hinata actually explains her LOVE for Naruto?
Yes, it's based on personality admiration - but I actually prefer such a love over a "romantic" one.
Sure, a matter of personal taste, but valid nonetheless.

2. There are two aspects here:
Whether I like a certain pairing as a stand-alone.
AND
Whether a certain pairing is the best available option for the characters.
Those two can lead to very different results actually.
I'd really prefer LeeSaku over SasuSaku as a stand-alone (same logic goes for the majority of NaruSakus, it seems), but the moment I take Sakura-the-character into consideration, SasuSaku is the only option for her CANON self.
I don't like it, but I don't see Sakura with anyone else, INCLUDING Naruto.
Same goes for Hinata being a NaruHina must (actually, even more so, cause she doesn't even have any CANON alternatives).
Sasuke also gravitates towards SasuSaku due to how the entire plot was concocted (Karin is too unimportant in Sasuke's world to be a valid option).
And finally Naruto potentially COULD end up with Hinata OR Sakura, but the fact that Sakura has other options (and one of them is STRONGER than NaruSaku from her POV), while Hinata doesn't - automatically leads to NaruHina anyways.
Note:
This is based on their plot-roles, NOT character interaction.
IF we go by the latter, all of the above gets an OVER 9000 boost immediately.