[VS] Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke

Naruto X Hunter · Dec 13, 2014

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That's sharingan Sasuke who was using his
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He can't get the real one.

He can't get the real one through clones. Not to mention Naruto can make much more clones and use them to feint and overpower Sasuke like he did to Deva. [
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He can have his clones throw him up [
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Rasengan on Sasuke's face.

His biggest Fireball used up almost all his chakra in this manga [
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His Taijutsu and Kenjutsu get a big drop in performance w/o sharingan. And Naruto already kept up with someone who overpowered Kakashi who has the same base stats as Sasuke.

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On the Hospital rooftop,yes Sasuke had the Sharingan activated but he can still use fireball jutsu without the Sharingan.

Against Itachi,Sasuke ran out of chakra after he used those 3 Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's,before then he had used Chidori,Chidori stream,somehow broke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi,used the summoning seals on his arms to summon a bunch of Shuriken,and Windmills,then he used those 3 huge Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's in a row. And his chakra reserves have signifcantly increased since then.

Sasuke easily defeated HUNDREDS,of Shinobi without getting a single scratch.

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Those are people,clones dissapear after a single good hit.Sasuke can use High Speed Taijutsu without the Sharingan.Read this whole chapter.

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As you can see,he used HPT with ease in part 1,and 2 and a half years later he even easier defeated hundreds of Ninja without getting a single drop of blood on him.

Sasuke took out multiple clones while he was laying on the ground by throwing Shuriken at them.

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310 Chapters earlier.

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Speedblitz in base.

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Lifts Naruto up with one arm.

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If Naruto tries to get close to him,Sasuke can counter with Chidori Nagashi.

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Naruto could keep up with Deva Path,but Sasuke negged hundreds of opponents,and can take out massive amounts of clones without a problem.He can use HSP,and Kenjutsu well with or without the Sharingan and he's always had good aim.

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BenjerminGaye · Dec 13, 2014

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If he doesn't have enough chakra to split between a certain number of clones, then he can't make that many. So no, he can't make as many as he wants.

There's no such thing as "enough chakra" when it comes to shadow clones. An part 1 kakashi pulled 20 on Empty.

Obviously their functionality and the jutsu they can perform is based on the amount of chakra alloted to them but there's no actual "limit" on how many can be made.

Either way according to you it would cost more chakra to make clones than it would to cover the sa in v1 chakra cloaks, which would in turn mean that 1 clones worth of chakra at that lvl> 1 cloaks worth of chakra.

Highly unlikely.

vaishakh01 · Dec 13, 2014

Sasuke cant beat Naruto with his Chidori since it needs to be used in conjunction with sharingan. His only choice is different type of lighting or fire attacks. His fire attacks were effective against Naruto in rooftop because it was an enclosed area. In open locations , his fire attacks will be less effective since Naruto has got lt more room to maneuver and Naruto is able to keep up with Sasuke in cqc when he had his sharingan.

Sound · Dec 14, 2014

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On the Hospital rooftop,yes Sasuke had the Sharingan activated but he can still use fireball jutsu without the Sharingan.

He can use the Fireball without sharingan but he can't keep up with the clones without sharingan.
IF he tries to fire other ones the clones gang him from all sides like

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Against Itachi,Sasuke ran out of chakra after he used those 3 Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's,before then he had used Chidori,Chidori stream,somehow broke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi,used the summoning seals on his arms to summon a bunch of Shuriken,and Windmills,then he used those 3 huge Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's in a row. And his chakra reserves have signifcantly increased since then.

I know what he used. Goryuka takes a big toll on his chakra like he already

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Summoning shurikens? Lol really is this supposed to be chakra consuming now?

Sasuke easily defeated HUNDREDS,of Shinobi without getting a single scratch.

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Irrelevant when you don't have proof IF he used sharingan to fight with them or how strong those fodders were to begin with.

Those are people,clones dissapear after a single good hit.Sasuke can use High Speed Taijutsu without the Sharingan.Read this whole chapter.

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There's no such thing as high speed taijutsu. It's shunshin and then taijutsu.

Again irrelevant because this isn't Part 1 and Naruto has kept up with opponents much faster than Part 1 Sasuke.

Not to mention Naruto's clones have improved in durability [

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As you can see,he used HPT with ease in part 1,and 2 and a half years later he even easier defeated hundreds of Ninja without getting a single drop of blood on him.

Okay?

Sasuke took out multiple clones while he was laying on the ground by throwing Shuriken at them

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3 clones are not multiple. He took an exhausted Naruto clones which it was already stated his own chakra had been low [

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-Not to mention that was

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Sasuke and I don't know why you are posting sharingan Sasuke feats when the OP stated this is base Sasuke against Base Naruto.

310 Chapters earlier.

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Speedblitz in base.

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Lifts Naruto up with one arm.

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Too bad for you this isn't beginning of Part 1 Naruto. And even by then that Naruto tracked his speed [

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His physical strength is also superior currently. [

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If Naruto tries to get close to him,Sasuke can counter with Chidori Nagashi.

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Sure he puffs the first wave of the clones. But what happens when this many [

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] He can't keep up with the clones without sharingan.

And the real one can also help by jumping from above with the aid of clones [

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all while he is getting ganbanged by multiple clones.

Naruto could keep up with Deva Path,but Sasuke negged hundreds of opponents,and can take out massive amounts of clones without a problem.He can use HSP,and Kenjutsu well with or without the Sharingan and he's always had good aim.

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Lol is this supposed to be a contest now?

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>>> Any fodder Sasuke has taken out.
The same Deva Path who overpowered someone with the same base stats [

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Naruto X Hunter · Dec 14, 2014

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Sasuke cant beat Naruto with his Chidori since it needs to be used in conjunction with sharingan. His only choice is different type of lighting or fire attacks. His fire attacks were effective against Naruto in rooftop because it was an enclosed area. In open locations , his fire attacks will be less effective since Naruto has got lt more room to maneuver and Naruto is able to keep up with Sasuke in cqc when he had his sharingan.

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When did Naruto ever keep up with Sasuke in Taijutsu with his Sharingan activated? Roof top in part 1? Lol.I made a comment on the first page which explains things well.

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He can use the Fireball without sharingan but he can't keep up with the clones without sharingan.
IF he tries to fire other ones the clones gang him from all sides like
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I know what he used. Goryuka takes a big toll on his chakra like he already
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Summoning shurikens? Lol really is this supposed to be chakra consuming now?

Irrelevant when you don't have proof IF he used sharingan to fight with them or how strong those fodders were to begin with.

There's no such thing as high speed taijutsu. It's shunshin and then taijutsu.

Again irrelevant because this isn't Part 1 and Naruto has kept up with opponents much faster than Part 1 Sasuke.

Not to mention Naruto's clones have improved in durability [
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Okay?

3 clones are not multiple. He took an exhausted Naruto clones which it was already stated his own chakra had been low [
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-Not to mention that was
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Sasuke and I don't know why you are posting sharingan Sasuke feats when the OP stated this is base Sasuke against Base Naruto.

Too bad for you this isn't beginning of Part 1 Naruto. And even by then that Naruto tracked his speed [
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His physical strength is also superior currently. [
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Sure he puffs the first wave of the clones. But what happens when this many [
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And the real one can also help by jumping from above with the aid of clones [
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all while he is getting ganbanged by multiple clones.

Lol is this supposed to be a contest now?
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>>> Any fodder Sasuke has taken out.
The same Deva Path who overpowered someone with the same base stats [
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He still has eyes without the Sharingan,eyes which can keep up with High Speed Taijutsu.If Sharingan was needed to counter a bunch of Shadow Clones then every Shinobi who's not an Uchiha would be screwed by this invincible technique.

That reminds me he also used Orochimaru's subtitution aswell.All those moves and he was still able to use multiple Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's.His chakra reserves have significantly increased since then.

From what we seen from Sasuke in base in chapter 312 - HPT,and 307,Speedblitz in base.We can assume he can take all those guys out in base.Clones are not living beings,they can go down easier.

Naruto didn't track Sasuke at the beginning of part 2,Sasuke appeared right infront of him,and he simply looked over surprised.Naruto getting a good hit on Sasuke in chapter 698 doesn't mean he is physically stronger.

Look at the situation - Sasuke was falling down towards Sasuke,and Naruto swong his arm up whereas in chapter 308,Without moving any part of his body,Sasuke lifted Naruto up with a single arm,and flipped him over.

There's a big difference in the situations of Narut Vs Deva Path and Sasuke Vs hundreds of sound Ninja.

Naruto was the one who was using numbers against Deva Path.While was Sasuke alone,easily defeated hundreds of opponents,and thos take out a bunch of clones in an instant.

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And with each clone the more Naruto has to split up his chakra thus the weaker they become.

Sound · Dec 14, 2014

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When did Naruto ever keep up with Sasuke in Taijutsu with his Sharingan activated? Roof top in part 1? Lol.I made a comment on the first page which explains things well.

This is Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke.

And as I already provided manga feats and facts Base Naruto already kept up with someone much better in CQC.

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Naruto kept up with Deva Path in his base [
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in CQC who has similar base stats to base Sasuke [
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He still has eyes without the Sharingan,eyes which can keep up with High Speed Taijutsu.If Sharingan was needed to counter a bunch of Shadow Clones then every Shinobi who's not an Uchiha would be screwed by this invincible technique.

2. Except that this isn't other ninjas but Base Sasuke who has his own limitations.

You can go as much as you want off topic but it won't help your argument.

That reminds me he also used Orochimaru's subtitution aswell.All those moves and he was still able to use multiple Grand Fire Dragon Jutsu's.His chakra reserves have significantly increased since then.

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Sasuke already stated that it takes a toll on his chakra and the databook page supports that. [

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Any proof of the bold?

From what we seen from Sasuke in base in chapter 312 - HPT,and 307,Speedblitz in base.We can assume he can take all those guys out in base.Clones are not living beings,they can go down easier.

No you can't assume because you want. You're going to have to provide proof just like I did.

Naruto didn't track Sasuke at the beginning of part 2,Sasuke appeared right infront of him,and he simply looked over surprised.Naruto getting a good hit on Sasuke in chapter 698 doesn't mean he is physically stronger.

He saw him the moment he landed. Yes it means so just like it means Sasuke could lift beginning of Part 1 Naruto.

Look at the situation - Sasuke was falling down towards Sasuke,and Naruto swong his arm up whereas in chapter 308,Without moving any part of his body,Sasuke lifted Naruto up with a single arm,and flipped him over.

Feats from beginning of Part 1 Naruto won't help your argument. It's like comparing KCM Naruto to SM Naruto. Different tiers.

There's a big difference in the situations of Narut Vs Deva Path and Sasuke Vs hundreds of sound Ninja.

This is grasping at straws. What difference? That Deva is vastly superior to them in CQC?

Let's see.

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Naruto was the one who was using numbers against Deva Path.While was Sasuke alone,easily defeated hundreds of opponents,and thos take out a bunch of clones in an instant.

Okay? Defeating a bunch of opponents doesn't mean he can beat Naruto in his base. And neither have you provided any evidence that he can keep out with Naruto's clones without sharingan.

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Keep showing me 3 tomoe Sasuke feats. Again this isn't 3 tomoe Sasuke it's base Sasuke. Maybe you need to re-read the title.

And with each clone the more Naruto has to split up his chakra thus the weaker they become.

Irrelevant when they already overwhelmed someone superior to Sasuke in CQC.

Come back with a compelling argument for base Sasuke instead of showing me 3 tomoe Sasuke feats.

Sharingan King · Dec 14, 2014

No eyes Susanoo lolstomps. XD XD XD

King Of Pop · Dec 14, 2014

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this is false.
no where did he say fireball takes a toll on his chakra. in that first scan you forget he used jutsus prior to using those last fire ball ones. he used chidori techniques, had an extensive genjutsu battle with itachi, then used fireball to stalemate itachis, then he used oral rebirth which as you can see in the scan takes a huge amount of chakra as itachi explains and sasuke just used it, he was obv low so those last katons finished up his already low chakra. a fresh base sasuke would have zero problems using a bunch of katon, not to mention thats hebi sasuke, war arc base sasukes reserves have obviously improved as he can use soosano-a chakra taxing tech- and not get fatigued, katon pales in comparison to soosano so its no problem. as for the db all it said is that it expends large amount of chakra, that in no way translates to consuming "too much chakra".

Sound · Dec 15, 2014

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this is false.
no where did he say fireball takes a toll on his chakra. in that first scan you forget he used jutsus prior to using those last fire ball ones. he used chidori techniques, had an extensive genjutsu battle with itachi, then used fireball to stalemate itachis, then he used oral rebirth which as you can see in the scan takes a huge amount of chakra as itachi explains and sasuke just used it, he was obv low so those last katons finished up his already low chakra. a fresh base sasuke would have zero problems using a bunch of katon, not to mention thats hebi sasuke, war arc base sasukes reserves have osly improved as he can use soosano-a chakra taxing tech- and not get fatigued, katon pales in comparison to soosano so its no problem. as for the db all it said is that it expends large amount of chakra, that in no way translates to consuming "too much chakra".

I know what he used. VOTE 1 Sasuke could use Hosenka no Jutsu, 2 Goukaryuu, 3 Chidori.
Sasuke against Itachi used genjutsu, 2 Chidori, 2 Goukaryuu, Oral Rebirth and Goryuka.

The most taxing ones being Goryuka and Oral Rebirth.

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translation. Sasuke states he doesn't have any chakra left because of the fire jutsu. It's a chakra taxing technique and even the description on the databook supports that it requires a large quantity of chakra.

a fresh base sasuke would have zero problems using a bunch of katon, not to mention thats hebi sasuke, war arc base sasukes reserves have obviously improved as he can use soosano-a chakra taxing tech- and not get fatigued, katon pales in comparison to soosano so its no problem. as for the db all it said is that it expends large amount of chakra, that in no way translates to consuming "too much chakra".

And no. War Arc Sasuke can use Susanoo for prolonged periods of time because he got EMS. His Mangekyo fused with Itachi's eyes and removed the drain MS techniques cost so he can afford to spam them. Sure his chakra reserves could have improved but to say significantly increased? No where near. EMS allows him to use MS techniques without costing too much chakra. That's the purpose of implanting them in the first place besides restoring his eyesight.

QdonEms · Dec 15, 2014

Sasuke still has the potential to blitz naruto before the clones come out and without SM he isnt dodging. Not to mention having his sword this time will tip the odds in his favor.

The only thing naruto has going for him in base is his clones which sasuke can easily defeat via grand fire ball jutsu.

juzumaki · Dec 15, 2014

does it still count as base if he does kage bunshin and makes the clone go into sm kcm bm but his main remains in base form

Sound · Dec 15, 2014

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does it still count as base if he does kage bunshin and makes the clone go into sm kcm bm but his main remains in base form

No base is base. No enhancements are allowed.

FlyingRaijinLVL2 · Dec 15, 2014

Lol Sasuke is too reliant on his sharingan an to win, its been his trump card since the wave arc (The same can be said for Kurama with Naruto, but Sasuke literally uses sharingan in EVERY fight). Naruto mid diff.

King Of Pop · Dec 15, 2014

=Sound;18079076]I know what he used. VOTE 1 Sasuke could use Hosenka no Jutsu, 2 Goukaryuu, 3 Chidori.
Sasuke against Itachi used genjutsu, 2 Chidori, 2 Goukaryuu, Oral Rebirth and Goryuka.

The most taxing ones being Goryuka and Oral Rebirth.

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translation. Sasuke states he doesn't have any chakra left because of the fire jutsu. It's a chakra taxing technique and even the description on the databook supports that it requires a large quantity of chakra.

That only says that he finished up hes chakra which is what i refrenced in my post, the katons finished up his chakra which wasnt a great deal left seeing as he had used jutsus prior to that. also he used about 4 of gorhuka

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, and thats him not fresh.now picture him fresh without using genjutsus or oral rebirth , he would obv be able to use atleast 3 gorkhayu and mayb 3 goryoukha with his own reserves independent of cm, that should obv suffice in a match like this, afterall its not like he has to spam it or anything. he can even decide on only using gorkahyu which uses less chakra and would be as effective. chakra issue for katons wont be a problem here.

And no. War Arc Sasuke can use Susanoo for prolonged periods of time because he got EMS. His Mangekyo fused with Itachi's eyes and removed the drain MS techniques cost so he can afford to spam them. Sure his chakra reserves could have improved but to say significantly increased? No where near. EMS allows him to use MS techniques without costing too much chakra. That's the purpose of implanting them in the first place besides restoring his eyesight.

actually no.
Ms(Ems)lets him activate soosano and use it, he still needs his own chakra reserves to maintain it as its a manifestation of the users chakra. Ms sasuke never really comlained of chakra loss, hes issue was the strain and pain the jutsu puts on his body which Ems rectified. however if he doesnt have enough chakra to use soosano then he wont be able to regardless of whether hes Ems is activated or not. point being if he can use MS techs which drain chakra far more than hes basic techniques like he did in the summit then am pretty sure some katons which pale in comparisons wont be a bother in a base battle esp if he doesnt use any ms jutsus. therefore katons wont be a chakra issue for war arc base sasuke.

Styles · Dec 17, 2014

Sasuke wins he's to fast for Naruto. Naruto have the advantage with kage bunshins but Sasuke never had a problem with them it will be close but it will just come out as another Rasengan vs Chidori clash and yes Sasuke can use chidori without sharingan read the danzo fight.

KeyofDestiny · Dec 17, 2014

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Sasuke wins he's to fast for Naruto. Naruto have the advantage with kage bunshins but Sasuke never had a problem with them it will be close but it will just come out as another Rasengan vs Chidori clash and yes Sasuke can use chidori without sharingan read the danzo fight.

Base Rikudo Naruto and Base Sasuke (Had access to Sharingan) were equal when it came to physical ability. Remove the Rikudo Power up and they are both equal in physical ability. Lol, Sasuke's speed is no issue when Naruto can canonically match it. Hell, he had 3-Tomoe active most of the time, which is restricted here. If anything Naruto wins, not Sasuke.

Styles · Dec 17, 2014

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Base Rikudo Naruto and Base Sasuke (Had access to Sharingan) were equal when it came to physical ability. Remove the Rikudo Power up and they are both equal in physical ability. Lol, Sasuke's speed is no issue when Naruto can canonically match it. Hell, he had 3-Tomoe active most of the time, which is restricted here. If anything Naruto wins, not Sasuke.

Sasuke vs deidara. Sasuke vs team 7 he used shunshin without sharingan. If Sasuke can match Naruto in physical strength that's a feat considering Naruto have the sages body. Sharingan doesn't enhance physical strength. All 3 tomoe would do is allow Sasuke to read Naruto's movements which he wouldn't need base Naruto isn't a speed monster.

KeyofDestiny · Dec 17, 2014

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Sasuke vs deidara. Sasuke vs team 7 he used shunshin without sharingan.

That was the beginning of Part 2, not the end of the manga which is half a year later.

If Sasuke can match Naruto in physical strength that's a feat considering Naruto have the sages body.

Sage's body has nothing to do with physical strength.

Sharingan doesn't enhance physical strength.

It enhances CQC performance.

All 3 tomoe would do is allow Sasuke to read Naruto's movements which he wouldn't need base Naruto isn't a speed monster.

I hope you aren't implying Sasuke's performance w/ Sharingan=Sasuke's performance without it. In what world does your opponent need to be speed monster for the Sharingan to be useful. If you can predict moves, you do much better in CQC than you would without it.

Styles · Dec 17, 2014

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That was the beginning of Part 2, not the end of the manga which is half a year later.

Sage's body has nothing to do with physical strength.

It enhances CQC performance.

I hope you aren't implying Sasuke's performance w/ Sharingan=Sasuke's performance without it. In what world does your opponent need to be speed monster for the Sharingan to be useful. If you can predict moves, you do much better in CQC than you would without it.

So because it was a year later means he can't do it without sharingan anymore?
Sages body gifts you physical energy aka body power
Yea and? Naruto's taijutsu isn't unorthodox.
Sasuke's performance with sharingan helped him beat part 1 chakra mode Naruto and react to 1tails Naruto but he doesn't have that. Base Sasuke is stronger or equal to base Naruto definitely if base Naruto don't have anything to hurt him besides bunshins (maybe) Rasengan and odama Rasengan.

KeyofDestiny · Dec 17, 2014

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So because it was a year later means he can't do it without sharingan anymore?

Huh? I never said that he can't use Shunshin. I thought that you were making another speed difference argument.

Sages body gifts you physical energy aka body power

Physical energy does not increase physical strength, nor is that even relevant to the result of the fight.

Yea and? Naruto's taijutsu isn't unorthodox.

Irrelevant. Sharingan=Better performance. It doesn't matter if his Taijutsu is standard. If you can predict moves, you WILL do better. Not debatable. Common sense.

Sasuke's performance with sharingan helped him beat part 1 chakra mode Naruto and react to 1tails Naruto but he doesn't have that.

Irrelevant. It increased his performance, that is all that matters.

Base Sasuke is stronger or equal to base Naruto definitely if base Naruto don't have anything to hurt him besides bunshins (maybe) Rasengan and odama Rasengan.

Base Naruto fought on par with 3-T Sasuke, Sasuke w/ no Sharingan obviously loses.

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