Time skip Sasuke is a lot stronger than Time skip Naruto ?

[Transcendence]

Fair enough point here actually. I'm not saying it can't be argued against, as it most certainly can but it's pointless because there isn't proof either way. CT could act the way you describe(around) or it could literally turn the person into a core as I said.

@Bold Weak argument. This is a manga about magic ninja's. It makes perfect sense to me and is not unbelievable in the slightest. What makes Naruto different from the air/space surrounding him that would make it illogical?

You implied I was in the beginning of your very first post. I read it, and it's speculation that hinges entirely upon how CT acts exactly. If it acts the way you think then yeah, I would agree.

Sasuke stills wins do to my last scenario​

Then you just agreed to disagree seeing as how you admitted CT could work in either way we both described. And I still don't see how he wins in that last scenario. You're still not grasping how powerful a Full Kurama Rikudou Naruto actually is.

 

[TrollKing]

kurama escaped Ct (not even full kurama or complete kurama) from pain, it's easy for the other beasts aswell.

Because sasky kun released him

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Then you just agreed to disagree seeing as how you admitted CT could work in either way we both described. And I still don't see how he wins in that last scenario. You're still not grasping how powerful a Full Kurama Rikudou Naruto actually is.

he's stupid, CT is slow, naruto's speed is almost instant if not instant, he can just escape/dodge it neg diff.

 

[vaishakh01]

A couple reasons.

> He doesn't have time to summon them before he becomes a core.
> He wouldn't summon them in the first place, Naruto's character would consider it too dangerous. Especially when he has bijju at his disposal.

@bold Speculation that isn't supported by the manga at all. He turned them into cores almost instantly and naruto didn't sense Sasuke's chakra acting upon them. You don't know how the tech is actually put into effect so this point is pretty invalid.​

CT uses a concentrated ball of chakra as its core. If a person is to be made into core , that means that Chakra has to be in the core otherwise its not happening and why wouldnt Naruto use his tsb especially against a guy trying to kill him?

 

[TrollKing]

You do realize , Genjutsu is weak against perfect jinchuurikies like Naruto and Bee.

You do not realize bijuus have extremely strong endurance and resistence against even genjutsu

 

[Trúth]

Then you just agreed to disagree seeing as how you admitted CT could work in either way we both described. And I still don't see how he wins in that last scenario. You're still not grasping how powerful a Full Kurama Rikudou Naruto actually is.

In the last scenario he literally loses all that power. Sasuke has already proven himself capable of traping the bijuu in genjutsu at the same time. He didn't even look at them. That's all that's needed here, he infiltrates, places them under genjutsu and kills Naruto.

Like so.

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Sasuke does

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And proceeds to take Naruto out while the bijuu are trapped.

And no Naruto can't break it. The bijuu were incapable and they have far more chakra than base Naruto.​

he's stupid, CT is slow, naruto's speed is almost instant if not instant, he can just escape/dodge it neg diff.

You really shouldn't call someone stupid and then say Naruto's current speed is instant or anything near it in the same sentence. It makes it clear just where the lack of intelligence actually lies.​

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

There's literally no point in even trying to address that to him.

He's under the impression someone who is tiers above the Bijuu in power can't break out or resist CT when Yang Kurama was resisting Genjutsu and partially breaking out of the CT. This is someone with the Yang power of the Juubi (Rikudou Senjutsu of the highest degree) and half Kurama. To say that he can't break out or simply blow it back is fruitless and stupid.

You do realize,Sasuke was using Genjutsu on 9 Bijuu at the same time and CT,and even then he captured them with ease/little effort.So if he focused on just the Kyuubi do you think he would have been able to talk for 2 seconds like he did when Sasuke was Negging all 9?

He can use reverse summoning to get out before all the debris can hit him and CB has got a limited range so he can get out it quite easily

He can reverse summon himself? Is that even possible?

ROFL, Ct is childsplay for naruto.

Negged all 9 fully transformed Bijuu with ease at the same time with Sasuke putting little effort into it,but if Sasuke was going all out and focusing on just Naruto,then Naruto could still break out of it with ease?

You didn't even address half of what I said. Literally half of what you said was "Sasuke was nerfed and they tied" without taking into account that Naruto was drained and fought more of the war and he was restricted from using the Bijuu's chakra because Sasuke had them in a Genjutsu. Your arguments are poor and I have no time or energy to constantly argue semantics when all you say is "Naruto will have to nuke himself within the CT" even though anybody with half a brain knows Naruto can easily overpower the force of the CT coming down on him.

After Naruto and Sasuke were owned by Madara,the Sage revived/powered them up so does what happened before then even matter? Not only did Naruto gain half the Sage's power but also chakra from all the Bijuu,so does him using his chakra and Yang Kyuubi's even matter?and Physically he looked fine.Also,how is it possible for him to have ran out of chakra if he didn't use the Bijuus?

I'd just like to know what stops Sasuke from entering Naruto's mind, putting all the tailed beasts under genjutsu, and then putting Naruto under it?

Masashi Kishimoto,other than that,nothing.

You do realize , Genjutsu is weak against perfect jinchuurikies like Naruto and Bee.

He easily entered Naruto's mind before,and put Bee in Genjutsu,so why couldn't he with a more powerful eye? If he easily went into Naruto's mind with Sharingan,got Bee in Genjutsu with MS,and easily got all 9 Bijuu in a glance with his new eye then why should he not be able to get Naruto and the Kyuubi in Genjutsu with his new eye?

He can do it in multiple ways.Since he was easily able to get all 9 Bijuu in Genjutsu with a glance,surely he could with Naruto,and even get the Kyuubi inside him with a glance.

If he only can get Naruto then,he could go inside Naruto,and put the Kyuubi im Genjutsu there,plus absorb his chakra.

 

[Transcendence]

In the last scenario he literally loses all that power. Sasuke has already proven himself capable of traping the bijuu in genjutsu at the same time. He didn't even look at them. That's all that's needed here, he infiltrates, places them under genjutsu and kills Naruto.

Like so.

Spoiler

Sasuke does

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And proceeds to take Naruto out while the bijuu are trapped.

And no Naruto can't break it. The bijuu were incapable and they have far more chakra than base Naruto.​

You really shouldn't call someone stupid and then say Naruto's current speed is instant or anything near it in the same sentence. It makes it clear just where the lack of intelligence actually lies.​

That second scenario... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh my. I can't even stop laughing.

You do realize that he could only do that because Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin, right? Kurama's chakra was leaking out and Naruto is susceptible to Genjutsu when not a Perfect Jin. That entire scenario falls flat on its face since the manga has already proven Perfect Jins are immune or extremely resistant to Genjutsu.

 

[TrollKing]

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And proceeds to take Naruto out while the bijuu are trapped.

That's hebi eyes. Now sasky has jubi eye which is {[(3.0x10^8)3.0x10^8]3.0x10^8} times stronger, so sasky simply skip such an infant's skill

Such weak technique, even itachi can do

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

That second scenario... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh my. I can't even stop laughing.

You do realize that he could only do that because Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin, right? Kurama's chakra was leaking out and Naruto is susceptible to Genjutsu when not a Perfect Jin. That entire scenario falls flat on its face since the manga has already proven Perfect Jins are immune or extremely resistant to Genjutsu.

Bee got hit,was effected then the Hachibi saved him.Sasuke could get Naruto with Genjutsu,for the few seconds he's effected,Sasuke could then go into Naruto's mind and get the Kyuubi.

 

[Trúth]

That second scenario... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh my. I can't even stop laughing.

You do realize that he could only do that because Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin, right? Kurama's chakra was leaking out and Naruto is susceptible to Genjutsu when not a Perfect Jin. That entire scenario falls flat on its face since the manga has already proven Perfect Jins are immune or extremely resistant to Genjutsu.

Glad to see you're enjoying yourself. Wish I could say the same, but at this point, you're simply annoying me.

Lets go over a few things,

> He was susceptible to genjutsu? Irrelevant.
> The scan was intended to show that Sasuke could easily with 3T infiltrate deep enough to find Kurama. I don't believe genjutsu was even used in that scan.
> Perfect Jinns are immune to genjutsu because the Bijuu break them free.
> In this scenario Sasuke's target is the bijuu first and foremost, who have already proven themselves incapable of breaking it. So being a PJ adds no defence whatsoever in this case.

It still stands.​

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[Transcendence]

Bee got hit,was effected then the Hachibi saved him.Sasuke could get Naruto with Genjutsu,for the few seconds he's effected,Sasuke could then go into Naruto's mind and get the Kyuubi.

I'd love some proof for that. If you want to use that logic, Sasuke should and could have done that against Bee, but he didn't... because he can't. It's already proven in the manga that the only way the Sharingan makes contact with Bijuu's is when the following criteria is met either separately or together:

1. The Bijuu's are outside of their host (which is what Sasuke did to the Bijuu).
2. The seal is weakened and or broken by outside means (like when Kushina just went through child birth)
3. The Jin isn't a perfect Jin and the chakra of the Jin and the Bijuu are separate (Naruto and Kurama's chakra are connected because they mixed their chakra).

What you proposed isn't happening. At all.

 

[Transcendence]

Glad to see you're enjoying yourself. Wish I could say the same, but at this point, you're simply annoying me.

Lets go over a few things,

> He was susceptible to genjutsu? Irrelevant.
> The scan was intended to show that Sasuke could easily with 3T infiltrate deep enough to find Kurama. I don't believe genjutsu was even used in that scan.
> Perfect Jinns are immune to genjutsu because the Bijuu break them free.
> In this scenario Sasuke's target is the bijuu first and foremost, who have already proven themselves incapable of breaking it. So being a PJ adds no defence whatsoever in this case.

It still stands.​

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I see. This is why the people in premium chat not to get into an argument with you. Kind of hard to debate with someone who is so stubborn that they never change their stance even when they're wrong. I'm not conceding anything, but you're grasping at straws at this point. I'm done here.

 

[Trúth]

I see. This is why the people in premium chat not to get into an argument with you. Kind of hard to debate with someone who is so stubborn that they never change their stance even when they're wrong. I'm not conceding anything, but you're grasping at straws at this point. I'm done here.

I'll take my victory. My stance is quite flexible actually, I've posted the same scenarios to several other members simply waiting to be proven wrong. I'll give you props for holding out as long as you did, but in the end you're the same as every other member. Can't admit where you're wrong, so you claim I'm "grasping for straws" or "too stubborn" when in fact neither is true and you just don't have anything to prove a post incorrect.

Go ahead and try save face lmao. I accept your concession.​

 

[TrollKing]

I'd love some proof for that. If you want to use that logic, Sasuke should and could have done that against Bee, but he didn't... because he can't. It's already proven in the manga that the only way the Sharingan makes contact with Bijuu's is when the following criteria is met either separately or together:

1. The Bijuu's are outside of their host (which is what Sasuke did to the Bijuu).
2. The seal is weakened and or broken by outside means (like when Kushina just went through child birth)
3. The Jin isn't a perfect Jin and the chakra of the Jin and the Bijuu are separate (Naruto and Kurama's chakra are connected because they mixed their chakra).

What you proposed isn't happening. At all.

The reason sasky didn't do that to bee is :

1. His ms was new and weak

2. Neither him nor readers knew bijuus was there consciously when the host gets one shot

Not because sasky can't, manga didnt say nor prove that XD
The scenario you given is like this example:

Since you seen a person wear a blue shirt got beaten to death, you concluded that you can only beat someone to death only when they are wearing a blue shirt Lol

 

[Garfield01]

To conclude..


madara lol diffs them both.

Lol​

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I'd love some proof for that. If you want to use that logic, Sasuke should and could have done that against Bee, but he didn't... because he can't. It's already proven in the manga that the only way the Sharingan makes contact with Bijuu's is when the following criteria is met either separately or together:

1. The Bijuu's are outside of their host (which is what Sasuke did to the Bijuu).
2. The seal is weakened and or broken by outside means (like when Kushina just went through child birth)
3. The Jin isn't a perfect Jin and the chakra of the Jin and the Bijuu are separate (Naruto and Kurama's chakra are connected because they mixed their chakra).

What you proposed isn't happening. At all.

You think Sasuke can't go into Naruto's subconscious because he is a perfect Jin? And Tobi controlled Yagura despite being a PJ.

 

[KidGamer65]

Glad to see you're enjoying yourself. Wish I could say the same, but at this point, you're simply annoying me.

Lets go over a few things,

> He was susceptible to genjutsu? Irrelevant.
> The scan was intended to show that Sasuke could easily with 3T infiltrate deep enough to find Kurama. I don't believe genjutsu was even used in that scan.
> Perfect Jinns are immune to genjutsu because the Bijuu break them free.
> In this scenario Sasuke's target is the bijuu first and foremost, who have already proven themselves incapable of breaking it. So being a PJ adds no defence whatsoever in this case.

It still stands.​

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Your whole stance makes zero sense.

-Sasuke did that and it let him suppress Kurama's chakra. Zero evidence that he can put the Bijuu inside in Genjutsu, by making eye contact with Naruto on the outside. Zero evidence.

-The Bijuu couldn't break it because they were the ones caught, thus they were immobilized. Does that change the fact that the partner method works? Obviously not. Lol. Naruto's chakra>>>Chiyo and Sakura's chakra, yet Naruto failed to break Itachi's Genjutsu, while Chiyo and Sakura broke him out via the partner method just like that.

 

[vaishakh01]

You think Sasuke can't go into Naruto's subconscious because he is a perfect Jin? And Tobi controlled Yagura despite being a PJ.

Yagura was a PJ because he was controlled

 

[shadowcb]

They are either equal or Naruto is a little stronger. Naruto has more potential.

Truth to be said, Naruto can't counter Chibaku Tensei since he's the constant gravitational attraction of all the boulders underneath him.Then he has his chakra drained, and once that is done, Indra arrow negs.

Logic as easy as abc. :|​

You're wrong. When Naruto fought Pain he proved he can counter gravity jutsu by repelling the gravity -

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I have seen some of you talk about Yugura being controlled even though he was a perfect jinchuuriki. That doesn't mean anything because he isn't on Naruto's level. Obito was the one who controlled him, yet he couldn't do the same to Naruto or Killer B.