Why do people on this forum get judged for knowing they won't like the last?

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Ok if you are smart enough and planned everything. Why are you sitting there being a critic about something that does not interest you? Also you are being biased since romance is not your favorite genre. If you had expertize in that field, you would give a far more valid reasoning of hating it.

On the other hand am I being biased for not hating it? Maybe I am. Or maybe I would rather see the movie myself before bashing it and thinking I know everything about it based on the spoilers and summary I have read about it.

So by your logic a person has to be a professional chef before saying they don't like certain foods. Or they have to be a farmer to determine which type of produce they do and don't like. I don't have to be a romance film director to know I don't like romantic movies and as much as I hate this film that isn't the point I'm making. I'm trying to convey that people have a right to be voice their negative opinion of a movie even if they haven't seen is because the truth is they're the only ones who know whether they do/don't like it. If YOU want to be the type of person who has to experience something to know that then fine but don't judge people for being self aware or planning and drawing conclusions. At this rate...if people wanna accuse me of being bias then whatever..so far I've noticed that its become a word used to bully and coerce people into wanking or seeing the film and at this rate since that's the case I'm not going to buy into it.






Lol I don't need to know people well enough to know there bashing it without seeing it.


You missed the point. The point is you don't know people well enough to tell them how they will and won't feel about the movie therefore you don't know them well enough to claim they're only making an assumption as opposed to an accurate conclusion. At this rate idgaf if people think I'm "bashing" since these same people who claim to be objective and devoid of bias wank the film without having seen it as far as I'm concerned they're in a glass house and lost the right to cast stones. If my opinion makes people so insecure that they have to jump on the "you're bashing" bandwagon then that's a personal problem. I just don't see why anyone should care if someone is self aware enough to know what they will or won't like. What concern is it of yours and where do you get off trying to coerce and bully people on the fapping bandwagon???




This exactly what I am saying. No body is forcing you to watch something you do not like. If you don't like it than why are you wasting your time bashing it? Lol


You mean expressing my opinion of it?? You're right..how dare I express my opinion on a forum created for people to express their opinions. who do I think I am, voicing my thoughts?
 
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Even OP is not right person either

She think she is the smartest person in here

She think she is holy in here

She think she is clean and logicaly in here

Nah, when he supporting a bashing word from Blazing Storm when she click like button, she cant be taken seriously here,

She is like King of Anons of movies here.

Haha right know I has mark the second KoA
 

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Even OP is not right person either

She think she is the smartest person in here

She think she is holy in here

She think she is clean and logicaly in here

Nah, when he supporting a bashing word from Blazing Storm when she click like button, she cant be taken seriously here,

She is like King of Anons of movies here.

Haha right know I has mark the second KoA

If you're insecure enough to feel threatened by my opinions, ideas and vernacular then that's on you. I'm not going to censor myself to appease you or anyone else.
 

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I didn't like star war at first , because I thought it was too old, but my film class watch the series and I found out that the shit was amazing. Dont judge a book by it's cover, but you "can" judge if you personally read it.
 

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Even OP is not right person either
She think she is the smartest person in here
She think she is holy in here
She think she is clean and logicaly in here
Nah, when he supporting a bashing word from Blazing Storm when she click like button, she cant be taken seriously here,
She is like King of Anons of movies here.
Haha right know I has mark the second KoA

She isn't right person, she is human, has both left and right...
By far expressing an opinion and asking, if you're asking you're not the smartest, and no one, for one lacks in one he is special in the other. And knowing history and lore of fiction isn't counted as a talent or smart feature in my book.
Holy, is too much of a word, most females like to be seen as queens. But I have no right to judge.
But yes, she expressed logical reasoning.
...
What is KoA?

Also, if you want to be taken seriously, I suggest improving your grammar. Not to be a grammar freak, but it sets me off to not take anyone seriously. It reminds me with the all "pls nerf" "skill so stronk pls nerf" "lolo ima dead"
 

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If you're insecure enough to feel threatened by my opinions, ideas and vernacular then that's on you. I'm not going to censor myself to appease you or anyone else.

I dont threatened to your opininon, but I dont like your attitude

You act as clean but actually not

You act as smart but cloud by your emotion the most

You want to compared how I always posting here with yours

I dont go to bash or stated my negativity even I dont like a characters or a movies, but I tried to contributed my opinions logically unless for troll or delusional or hypocrite persons
 

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If you're insecure enough to feel threatened by my opinions, ideas and vernacular then that's on you. I'm not going to censor myself to appease you or anyone else.

I dont threatened to your opininon, but I dont like your attitude

You act as clean but actually not

You act as smart but cloud by your emotion the most

You want to compared how I always posting here with yours

I dont go to bash or stated my negativity even I dont like a characters or a movies, but I tried to contributed my opinions logically unless for troll or delusional or hypocrite persons
 

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I dont threatened to your opininon, but I dont like your attitude

You act as clean but actually not

You act as smart but cloud by your emotion the most

You want to compared how I always posting here with yours

I dont go to bash or stated my negativity even I dont like a characters or a movies, but I tried to contributed my opinions logically unless for troll or delusional or hypocrite persons

OK...you don't like my attitude. Who gives a shit and why should I care?
 

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So by your logic a person has to be a professional chef before saying they don't like certain foods. Or they have to be a farmer to determine which type of produce they do and don't like. I don't have to be a romance film director to know I don't like romantic movies

I have never claimed any of those things. Lol You are making stuff up just to shove your point down my throat. All I said is that if you don't like romance. This is not your field of expertize to judge it off it. Because your opinion about it will be biased anyways. Do I really need to break it down for you even more?

and as much as I hate this film that isn't the point I'm making. I'm trying to convey that people have a right to be voice their negative opinion of a movie even if they haven't seen is because the truth is they're the only ones who know whether they do/don't like it. If YOU want to be the type of person who has to experience something to know that then fine but don't judge people for being self aware or planning and drawing conclusions. At this rate...if people wanna accuse me of being bias then whatever..so far I've noticed that its become a word used to bully and coerce people into wanking or seeing the film and at this rate since that's the case I'm not going to buy into it.

I already countered this point of view with this post right here.

I never stopped you from voicing your opinion about the movie. All I said is that if you have not watched it, nor like the genre of romance. Naturally you will not really like it. You made a thread over why people judge people knowing they won't like the Last? Well if you judge the movie without watching it and bash it for that matter. You will get judged by the same people. Are you not in another way saying people should not bash your opinion if you dislike it? Than I will ask you the same thing, why should people not voice there opinion about your opinion? Are you not being hypocritical in a way?

Also I gave you advice on how to avoid such things. Lol If its really not of your interest than why bother with it? Do something else?
Either you are not reading correctly or simply making a mountain off of nothing.


You missed the point. The point is you don't know people well enough to tell them how they will and won't feel about the movie therefore you don't know them well enough to claim they're only making an assumption as opposed to an accurate conclusion. At this rate idgaf if people think I'm "bashing" since these same people who claim to be objective and devoid of bias wank the film without having seen it as far as I'm concerned they're in a glass house and lost the right to cast stones. If my opinion makes people so insecure that they have to jump on the "you're bashing" bandwagon then that's a personal problem. I just don't see why anyone should care if someone is self aware enough to know what they will or won't like. What concern is it of yours and where do you get off trying to coerce and bully people on the fapping bandwagon???

No offense but no body really cares enough, about your opinion to really bully you. Fact is you have not watched it, so it makes your opinion invalid. You are still bashing it without watching it rather you admit it or not. You have your own reasoning fine, but not everyone is like you. I personally don't bash every kid who bashes this movie. So I would like you to show me these acts of bullying that you are complaining about?


You mean expressing my opinion of it?? You're right..how dare I express my opinion on a forum created for people to express their opinions. who do I think I am, voicing my thoughts?

You are not just expressing your opinions about it. You are making threads over it. Which right away makes the person state there opinion about it. I could care less what kind of opinion you have. But deep down I will know not to take your opinion seriously. Since your opinion is based on the genre you like and reading info on spoilers or summary.

You have issues with people judging your opinions, yet your sitting there making threads over it. And I am the one whose the hypocrite?

Also don't preach this freedom of speech when you have issues with people bashing your opinion. Its basically the same thing your trying to preach. Lol
 
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She isn't right person, she is human, has both left and right...
By far expressing an opinion and asking, if you're asking you're not the smartest, and no one, for one lacks in one he is special in the other. And knowing history and lore of fiction isn't counted as a talent or smart feature in my book.
Holy, is too much of a word, most females like to be seen as queens. But I have no right to judge.
But yes, she expressed logical reasoning.
...
What is KoA?

Also, if you want to be taken seriously, I suggest improving your grammar. Not to be a grammar freak, but it sets me off to not take anyone seriously. It reminds me with the all "pls nerf" "skill so stronk pls nerf" "lolo ima dead"
And then this man come here, what triggering you to quote me, your insecurity or just to express some opinion that to me is really wierd.
 
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I have never claimed any of those things. Lol You are making stuff up just to shove your point down my throat. All I said is that if you don't like romance. This is not your field of expertize to judge it off it. Because your opinion about it will be biased anyways. Do I really need to break it down even more for you?

Oh no I heard you loud and clear..you have to be an expert in something to determine whether you do or don't like it and if you don't like it and you're not an expert in it..you're bias. With your definition of bias everyone is bias so why does it matter. May as well go on and just "bash" the film. But just remember that by your logic the people who say they like the film have no right to talk because they aren't film directors.









No offense but no body really cares enough, about your opinion to really bully you. Fact is you have not watched it, so it makes your opinion invalid. You are still bashing it without watching it rather you admit it or not. You have your own reasoning fine, but not everyone is like you. I personally don't bash every kid who bashes this movie. So I would like you to show me these acts of bullying that you are complaining about?

Actually my opinion and everyone elses opinion is still very valid you're just intolerant of other people thought process to the point where you're not even willing to consider how it's valid. Just because YOU aren't a long term planner doesn't mean everyone else has to experience something to conclude whether they will or won't like it and you don't seem to understand that. I don't know what a person has to do to get that through to you. If you wanna be a "well lets wait and see type of person" fine but don't sit there and claim that no one else is a long term planner just because you can't understand that thought process. What I mean by bullying and coercion is you're using your own definition of the term "bias" to coerce people into a certain behavior or thought process. For example you said "You're just being bias because you don't like romance movies" it's actually a form of manipulating and coercing a person into trying to meet your criteria of unbias behavior and ergo being open to the possibility of seeing the movie. You seem to be getting the word bias confused witht he word personal preference and there's nothing wrong with having them. If you wanna try to coerce and manipulate people out of having their personal preference by screaming "BIAS!" everytime they say they do or don't like something then you're just as closed minded, intolerant, illogical, manipulative and "bias" as you claim the other person is if not more so. Whether you're aware of it or not the types of statements you're making are the type that used to coerce the proverbial "black sheep" into agreeing with everyone else and it's disgusting. What do you think the intention behind negative accuasations is?? You wanna accuse people of being bias but you can't even be objective enough to want to understand and acknowledge the thought process and choices of other people. And that's the real issue I have with all of this.




You are not just expressing your opinions about it. You are making threads over it. Which right away makes the person state there opinion about it. I could care less what kind of opinion you have. But deep down I will know not to take your opinion seriously. Since your opinion is based on the genre you like and reading info on spoilers or summary.

You have issues with people judging your opinions, yet your sitting there making threads over it. And I am the one whose the hypocrite?

Also don't preach this freedom of speech when you have issues with people bashing your opinion. Its basically the same thing your trying to preach. Lol

Yup I do make threads about my opinion because as I stated before this is a forum and I'm free to do so and if you can't handle it you may as well just close your account. Also, my "issue" has more to do with your lack of willingness to acknowledge or understand the thought process of others. I don't care if you wanna be the type of person to "wait and see" but some how the people here have to face BS for being planners and that's the real issue. If you don't wanna take my opinion seriously fine, I don't care but what it also means is that I won't respect or even listen to your opinion either or take you seriously as a person since you can't even demonstrate the basic ability to respect the preferences of others. And you can't understand or even possibly conceive that people draw conclusions in their day to day lives and that maybe just maybe people know themselves well enough to know they will or won't like something then you're not worth conversing with.
 
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Because that's ignorant
 

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Oh no I heard you loud and clear..you have to be an expert in something to determine whether you do or don't like it and if you don't like it and you're not an expert in it..you're bias. With your definition of bias everyone is bias so why does it matter. May as well go on and just "bash" the film. But just remember that by your logic the people who say they like the film have no right to talk because they aren't film directors.

If you dislike the romance genre, your opinion of a movie based on that genre would not be that valid. You can make a opinion about it all you want. But no body would take you seriously. How is that so hard to understand? Lol This has nothing to do with you being the director of the movie to judging it or someone with a Bachelors degree. This simply has to do with your knowledge of that field and interest of that field.

Like I will give you a quick example. One time I was on another forum making a comment about whose the best rapper? I said Eminem is the best rapper. But another dude basically told me the same thing as I am telling you right now. If its not your type of genre its best if you don't comment on it. Unless you have had some sort of experience in that type of field. Which is true. I learned from that and moved on. I admitted I did not know much about rap music, so I asked my cousin about it some other time. Simple!



Actually my opinion and everyone elses opinion is still very valid you're just intolerant of other people thought process to the point where you're not even willing to consider how it's valid. Just because YOU aren't a long term planner doesn't mean everyone else has to experience something to conclude whether they will or won't like it and you don't seem to understand that.I don't know what a person has to do to get that through to you. If you wanna be a "well lets wait and see type of person" fine but don't sit there and claim that no one else is a long term planner just because you can't understand that thought process.

I asked you already countless of times. If you are a long time planner, than why are you wasting your time hating the movie? If you know the movie by seeing spoilers and summary you should already have your mindset set on not watching this movie. And skipping it all together. So what are you doing wasting your time hating on a movie? When you can plan your vacation to some fun place to go to? This is the part I do not understand?

What I mean by bullying and coercion is you're using your own definition of the term "bias" to coerce people into a certain behavior or thought process. For example you said "You're just being bias because you don't like romance movies" it's actually a form of manipulating and coercing a person into trying to meet your criteria of unbias behavior and ergo being open to the possibility of seeing the movie. You seem to be getting the word bias confused witht he word personal preference and there's nothing wrong with having them. If you wanna try to coerce and manipulate people out of having their personal preference by screaming "BIAS!" everytime they say they do or don't like something then you're just as closed minded, intolerant, illogical, manipulative and "bias" as you claim the other person is if not more so. Whether you're aware of it or not the types of statements you're making are the type that used to coerce the proverbial "black sheep" into agreeing with everyone else and it's disgusting. What do you think the intention behind negative accuasations is?? You wanna accuse people of being bias but you can't even be objective enough to want to understand and acknowledge the thought process and choices of other people. And that's the real issue I have with all of this.

Maybe I should have used the correct word. Personal preference seems to fit what I am trying to say here. Because your personal preference does play a role on not liking this movie. There is nothing wrong with that. But I do feel that if you dislike this movie, you should not bother wasting your time on it.

Hmm.. ok I am not open minded? Why don't you state your opinion on why you dislike this movie?


Yup I do make threads about my opinion because as I stated before this is a forum and I'm free to do so and if you can't handle it you may as well just close your account. Also, my "issue" has more to do with your lack of willingness to acknowledge or understand the thought process of others. I don't care if you wanna be the type of person to "wait and see" but some how the people here have to face BS for being planners and that's the real issue. If you don't wanna take my opinion seriously fine, I don't care but what it also means is that I won't respect or even listen to your opinion either or take you seriously as a person since you can't even demonstrate basic empathy.

Not everyone here is a planner though. If you know anybody why don't you name them? Your the one stating your a planner. I would like to see others stating the same? You see that is my point, not everyone is like you. This thread has more to do with you than anybody else. Since you based it on your mindset.
 
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With the amount of spoilers peeking out above the horizon, it's kinda hard not wanting to watch since it's been spoiled.
 

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Just NaruHina/Hinata fans who don't like seeing their fav movie bashed.
 

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Because the people who say they know it will be bad are just salty fans. Also, you can't "know" something is gonna be bad until it happens. You can only think it's gonna be bad.
 

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If you dislike the romance genre, your opinion of a movie based on that genre would not be that valid. You can make a opinion about it all you want. But no body would take you seriously. How is that so hard to understand? Lol This has nothing to do with you being the director of the movie to judging it or someone with a Bachelors degree. This simply has to do with your knowledge of that field and interest of that field.

Like I will give you a quick example. One time I was on another forum making a comment about whose the best rapper? I said Eminem is the best rapper. But another dude basically told me the same thing as I am telling you right now. If its not your type of genre its best if you don't comment on it. Unless you have had some sort of experience in that type of field. Which is true. I learned from that and moved on. I admitted I did not know much about rap music, so I asked my cousin about it some other time. Simple!


Good, so then you can't come up with an opinion of the movie either since you have no knowledge about directing. Either way your point of logic makes no sense because it would defeat the purpose of creating forums such as these to share opinions and ideas about the movie. No one who tries any food should then make comments about it since they have no "expertise" in cooking. Do you see where I'm going with that your logic behind that is really bullshit. I don't really care what example you give or how you try to justify it and just because you can't understand the nature of an opinion doesn't mean people's opinions are of no value all it means is you're lack understanding about what an opinion is since as I said before most opinions are subjective in nature and everyone has one.



I asked you already countless of times. If you are a long time planner, than why are you wasting your time hating the movie? If you know the movie by seeing spoilers and summary you should already have your mindset set on not watching this movie. And skipping it all together. So what are you doing wasting your time hating on a movie? When you can plan your vacation to some fun place to go to? This is the part I do not understand?

Again, you've missed the point of the thread altogether and you must have missed my point about having the right to voice my thoughts and opinion about the film and there's really nothing you can do or say to change that so you may as well just stop repeating yourself. I'm not the only one on this site that feels the way I do about the movie and a lot of the people who participate on the site participate because they enjoy the series and the movie is the only part of the series we have left to discuss even if it's negative and if you can't understand that then whatever.





Maybe I should have used the correct word. Personal preference seems to fit what I am trying to say here. Because your personal preference does play a role on not liking this movie. There is nothing wrong with that. But I do feel that if you dislike this movie, you should not bother wasting your time on it.


Yup, and I'm not by not watching it but I did enjoy the series so for those of us that don't like the film and will not be watching it..we hang around because we enjoyed the series to the point where we still want to discuss the latest events in the series and hey admittedly some of us are having a bit of a hard time letting go since some of us grew up with it. That doesn't mean we're wasting our time on it..it just means we still wanna participate in the naruto community and stay abreast of what's going on in the series.

Hmm.. ok I am not open minded? Why don't you state your opinion on why you dislike this movie?

Fine...I'm going to be honest. I don't like the movie for quite a few reasons.


1) I'll be honest right here and now..I am in fact a sasuke fan and I was hoping we'd find out what sasuke has discovered on his route of atonement. I think he's one of the deeper more complex characters in the series and it's truly a shame that even in the VERY LAST NARUTO MOVIE we only get 30 seconds of him. I understand what people are saying when they say "but he'd be out of place if he stuck around" but you know what?? They missed out on a big opportunity. Sometimes even romantic movies have non romantic subplots that make the movie tolerable for those of us who prefer other genres. Sasuke would have been the perfect role for this as the (pretty much) second main character. They could have expanded their audience demographic and instead..now we're treated to a bunch of paragons running around.

2) That's one magic scarf. You mean to tell me there's a scarf that magically floats out of bags and wraps around people..transferring their memories. I'd like to know exactly how hinata's memories were transferred...via magic scarf thus disrupting naruto's little genjutsu dream. However, the scarf floating out of the bag and just wrapping around naruto is just so ridiculous..I don't even wanna know at that point.


3) The classic damsel in distress...it's just so generic, and so cliche. At that point I can only imagine myself sitting there knowing how everything was going to play out. We all know naruto's going to rescue her...we all know they're going to end up together..we all know he's going to defeat toneri. At that point there's no suspense. Honestly..I know I'm going to get thumbs down for saying this but the only movie that managed to pull of the whole "damsel in distress" thing for me was Jurassic park: the lost world and the person wasn't even aware they were in distress because they were unaware of the severity of the situation. But those dinosaurs though. The action made it so entertaining I completely forgot about the whole damsel thing but that won't be possible in this movie because...


4) toneri is fodder.....



5) To me all of it feels tacked on...the existence of the entire movie requires a lot of suspension of belief for me to the point where it's difficult to suspend it any further. I'm not buying that suddenly naruto would change his mind when he demonstrated dismissive behavior when he witnessed all of the same things he saw in the genjutsu in person. It had been three years since that confession but now we're supposed to believe that after three years of limited interaction that they would just have this intense leap in their relationship as friends. I could see it if they had been friends from a young age..but the truth is they weren't up till they were like 12 naruto thought hinata was some weird chick. They became friends later but even then they had limited interaction.



The list goes on but..seeing as all you're going to do is respond by saying "you don't know all that cuz yew havin't cene tha film!" I'm not wasting any more of my time as long as I know my thoughts and ideas regarding the film are valid and that I'm not the only who feels the way I do I don't care.




Not everyone here is a planner though. If you know anybody why don't you name them? Your the one stating your a planner. I would like to see others stating the same? You see that is my point, not everyone is like you. This thread has more to do with you than anybody else. Since you based it on your mindset.


If you believe that I'm the only long term planner on this forum you're truly being ridiculous. No..not everyone is like me but there are judging and perceiving types in this world. I'm a judging type. I make conclusions based on evaluations the circumstances, information at hand, and what my goal may or may not be at that time. Perceiving types will generally remain open to the point where they wait to experience something then develop a conclusion based on the information from that experience. more of a "lets wait and see" person. and I don't have to name names to prove I'm not the only judging type in this forum or a "long term planner" because everyone on the forum isn't a "lets wait n see" type of person either. There for it's safe to conclude that both types of people are on the forum. However, even if by some miraculous chance I were the only judging type...who gives a shit..that doesn't make my opinion any less valid or relevant than yours. You're just letting you're emotional attachment to your opinion cloud your judgement and at that point you're asserting your opinions as facts since you believe there's some scale somewhere which determines how valid or invalid one's opinions are. Which by the way is also ridiculous. No one's opinion is better than anyone elses they're all subjective meaning none of them hold any real validity whether a person has seen the movie or not.


Here's more info about what I'm referring to when I say judging and perceiving types and what I mean when I say you're being intolerant of the thought processes of other people.



Judging (J)
I use my decision-making (Judging) preference (whether it is Thinking or Feeling) in my outer life. To others, I seem to prefer a planned or orderly way of life, like to have things settled and organized, feel more comfortable when decisions are made, and like to bring life under control as much as possible.

Since this pair only describes what I prefer in the outer world, I may, inside, feel flexible and open to new information (which I am).

Do not confuse Judging with judgmental, in its negative sense about people and events. They are not related.

The following statements generally apply to me:
I like to have things decided.
I appear to be task oriented.
I like to make lists of things to do.
I like to get my work done before playing.
I plan work to avoid rushing just before a deadline.
Sometimes I focus so much on the goal that I miss new information.
Perceiving (P)
I use my perceiving function (whether it is Sensing or Intuition) in my outer life. To others, I seem to prefer a flexible and spontaneous way of life, and I like to understand and adapt to the world rather than organize it. Others see me staying open to new experiences and information.

Since this pair only describes what I prefer in the outer world, inside I may feel very planful or decisive (which I am).

Remember, in type language perceiving means "preferring to take in information." It does not mean being "perceptive" in the sense of having quick and accurate perceptions about people and events.

The following statements generally apply to me:
I like to stay open to respond to whatever happens.
I appear to be loose and casual. I like to keep plans to a minimum.
I like to approach work as play or mix work and play.
I work in bursts of energy.
I am stimulated by an approaching deadline.
Sometimes I stay open to new information so long I miss making decisions when they are needed.


As you may or may not have guessed..I'm a judging type and am quick to make decisions and I'm not the only one here witht hat thought process.
 
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salsalover64

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Because the people who say they know it will be bad are just salty fans. Also, you can't "know" something is gonna be bad until it happens. You can only think it's gonna be bad.


Of course..everyone knows anyone who isn't riding kishi's D is a salty fan. How dare people voice their opinions and beliefs. Ohh...so I can't "know" I don't like something. Let me ask you something pumpkin. Do you enjoy shit??? No??? Well have you eaten it?? No?? Well then you can't know you don't like it.
 

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Is roller coaster scary???
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I never experience it yet :rolleyes: I should try it to know if its really scary <.<
Doesnt like romance keeps talking about it :|
 
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