[VS] Hiashi Hyūga vs MS Sasuke

[Haizaki]

MS Sasuke wins with high difficulty.

Hiashi has a counter for everything but as soon as the arrow comes out, Sasuke wins.

 

[Kakooli]

and your arguments for bold are ?

Seriously fourth databook and Special book which came for purpouse of the movie disagree and prove you wrong U_U

Tell me how this Hyuuga fodder deals with genjutsu on his own. Tell me.

 

[neosmith500]

Because he jumps in the same direction as the Air Palm, negating a large amount of its impact force.

Even so wouldn't the blast of jyuken chakra effectively tear its legs off an flip the susano with enough force for hiashi to follow up with a second blast?

Even if he escapes the full force his arrows/swords are diverted by expelling large amounts of chakra as a shield or simple rotation which is stated to "Knock Away Chakra" meaning if v3 gets in close proximity it will possibly tear off a few layers of v3+ effectively knock it away for a follow up..

Tell me how this Hyuuga fodder deals with genjutsu on his own. Tell me

Byakugan viewing the tenketsu leaves zero opening for eye contact unless hiashi decides to look into sasuke's eyes which i lol at.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Sasuke fires close enough, arrows take Hiaishi out. He'll need rotation to deflect it, or vacuum air palm, but Kakashi failed to physically react to this arrow. Highly doubt that Hiaishi is going to do so.

Even if he does, he won't be able to rotate fast enough to actually repel the arrow before it reaches him. Then there is the fact that Final Susanoo allows Sasuke to use Enton more freely. Add that with his Katon and you get a short Kirin prep time. Once Kirin is ready, no move in Hiashi's arsenal with same him.

Sasuke takes it. Mid diff if he stays away from the things that get hard countered, like Susanoo CQC, Amaterasu, Genjutsu, Katon, etc.

 

[Transcendence]

Tell me how this Hyuuga fodder deals with genjutsu on his own. Tell me.

Genjutsu won't work on someone who can see the Tenketsu of their opponents chakra network. Genjutsu still needs chakra to knead it's effects, so once Hiashi sees Sasuke concentrate chakra in his eye, either Amaterasu is coming (which is countered by chakra expulsion from his fists or rotation) or Sasuke is going to use a Genjutsu, which Hiashi would now have knowledge on, and can quickly apply the Kai: Release technique to rid himself of the Genjutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

MS Sasuke wins with high difficulty.

Hiashi has a counter for everything but as soon as the arrow comes out, Sasuke wins.

Hiashi has intel on the arrow, so once it's prepped, Hiashi just uses rotation to deflect it. It's speed is immense, it's prep is also great, but definitely not great enough to be prepped and fired all before Hiashi can begin spinning.

 

[Apêx1]

Even so wouldn't the blast of jyuken chakra effectively tear its legs off an flip the susano with enough force for hiashi to follow up with a second blast?

Even if he escapes the full force his arrows/swords are diverted by expelling large amounts of chakra as a shield or simple rotation which is stated to "Knock Away Chakra" meaning if v3 gets in close proximity it will possibly tear off a few layers of v3+ effectively knock it away for a follow up..

Yes, that would be possible on second thought. However, I still can't see how Hiashi can stop EMS Sasuke's fluid movement which put SM Madara on the defensive.

 

[Haizaki]

Hiashi has intel on the arrow, so once it's prepped, Hiashi just uses rotation to deflect it. It's speed is immense, it's prep is also great, but definitely not great enough to be prepped and fired all before Hiashi can begin spinning.

As soon as Susanoo comes out, the arrow comes out as well

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. The thing is, Sasuke can use Amaterasu while in Susanoo first to disturb him and then fire the arrow while he's dealing with Amaterasu or straight after he counters Ama making it hard to counter the arrow

 

[neosmith500]

Yes, that would be possible on second thought. However, I still can't see how Hiashi can stop EMS Sasuke's fluid movement which put SM Madara on the defensive.

Are u assuming sasuke rushes hiashi without v3 or are u applying Sasuke's fluid bodily movements to his v3?

If Sasuke rushes hiashi with a sword like he did madara, the moment before he gets in striking distance is immediately paused by a wall of chakra which will blast him away.

V3 rushes hiashi an gets wall palmed an destroyed.
-If he jumps high an manages to fully evade the blast an tries to use arrows, that will be easily evaded with byakugan's insight an since he would be very far in the air , Blasted by wall palm or diverted with chakra.

Whats v3's best jump/speed feat without KM an CM powerup?.

 

[neosmith500]

As soon as Susanoo comes out, the arrow comes out as well

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. The thing is, Sasuke can use Amaterasu while in Susanoo first to disturb him and then fire the arrow while he's dealing with Amaterasu or straight after he counters Ama making it hard to counter the arrow

But he can easily stop Ama by using the first stage of rotation.
Neji's small dome of chakra could easily neg ama, Hiashi's chakra shield for rotation is many times the size of neji's which means he negs Ama with the first stage an then negs the arrow with the 2nd Lol Or he can divert the course of the arrows with chakra like danzo did with a tree.

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He can also neg susano inbetween the 2nd stage by blasting susano with vacuum wall, Destroyin the construct, Sasuke wouldve wasted chakra on Ama+susano.
Byakugan see's everthing even the build up for susano.

 

[KCMNaruto]

MS Sasuke wins with high difficulty.

Hiashi has a counter for everything but as soon as the arrow comes out, Sasuke wins.

Well I wouldn't be so sure, but clearly you speak at least grain of truth.

Tell me how this Hyuuga fodder deals with genjutsu on his own. Tell me.

Byakugan viewing the tenketsu leaves zero opening for eye contact unless hiashi decides to look into sasuke's eyes which i lol at.

Genjutsu won't work on someone who can see the Tenketsu of their opponents chakra network. Genjutsu still needs chakra to knead it's effects, so once Hiashi sees Sasuke concentrate chakra in his eye, either Amaterasu is coming (which is countered by chakra expulsion from his fists or rotation) or Sasuke is going to use a Genjutsu, which Hiashi would now have knowledge on, and can quickly apply the Kai: Release technique to rid himself of the Genjutsu.

^^ here are you answers

Even so wouldn't the blast of jyuken chakra effectively tear its legs off an flip the susano with enough force for hiashi to follow up with a second blast?

Even if he escapes the full force his arrows/swords are diverted by expelling large amounts of chakra as a shield or simple rotation which is stated to "Knock Away Chakra" meaning if v3 gets in close proximity it will possibly tear off a few layers of v3+ effectively knock it away for a follow up..

Very good point, really great debater you are.

If Sasuke fires close enough, arrows take Hiaishi out. He'll need rotation to deflect it, or vacuum air palm, but Kakashi failed to physically react to this arrow. Highly doubt that Hiaishi is going to do so.

Hiashi's range of rotation is very impressive if you ask me:

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That rotation in addition to air palm which can blast the Juubi arm:

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^^ Sasuke would be forced to keep distance for sure.

Even if he does, he won't be able to rotate fast enough to actually repel the arrow before it reaches him. Then there is the fact that Final Susanoo allows Sasuke to use Enton more freely. Add that with his Katon and you get a short Kirin prep time. Once Kirin is ready, no move in Hiashi's arsenal with same him.

^^ about the arrow I already countered while it would not work, only from distance but it would give Hiashi time to act.
Yeah Kirin would end Hiashi but only if Sasuke managed to do it or won;t be caught off guard while being ready to direct Kiring towards Hiashi.

I would worry more about Enton and final Susanoo v4 although

Sasuke takes it. Mid diff if he stays away from the things that get hard countered, like Susanoo CQC, Amaterasu, Genjutsu, Katon, etc.

Well it seems you forgot cells pain and eye strain because we talk about MS Sasuke not EMS Sasuke.
Even if MS Sasuke wins then it would be high-extreme high diff.

As soon as Susanoo comes out, the arrow comes out as well

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. The thing is, Sasuke can use Amaterasu while in Susanoo first to disturb him and then fire the arrow while he's dealing with Amaterasu or straight after he counters Ama making it hard to counter the arrow

Yeah I agree as I also see that issue with which Hiashi would have problem.

Are u assuming sasuke rushes hiashi without v3 or are u applying Sasuke's fluid bodily movements to his v3?

If Sasuke rushes hiashi with a sword like he did madara, the moment before he gets in striking distance is immediately paused by a wall of chakra which will blast him away.

V3 rushes hiashi an gets wall palmed an destroyed.
-If he jumps high an manages to fully evade the blast an tries to use arrows, that will be easily evaded with byakugan's insight an since he would be very far in the air , Blasted by wall palm or diverted with chakra.

Whats v3's best jump/speed feat without KM an CM powerup?.

I agree with everything, really gread points/arguments.

Well it was reaching height at which Juubi Jin Obito was flying.

But he can easily stop Ama by using the first stage of rotation.
Neji's small dome of chakra could easily neg ama, Hiashi's chakra shield for rotation is many times the size of neji's which means he negs Ama with the first stage an then negs the arrow with the 2nd Lol Or he can divert the course of the arrows with chakra like danzo did with a tree.

Byakugan see's everthing even the build up for susano.

^^ Yeah it is undeniable fact

 

[Haizaki]

But he can easily stop Ama by using the first stage of rotation.
Neji's small dome of chakra could easily neg ama, Hiashi's chakra shield for rotation is many times the size of neji's which means he negs Ama with the first stage an then negs the arrow with the 2nd Lol Or he can divert the course of the arrows with chakra like danzo did with a tree.

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Yeah but he'd still have to rotate to blast off the flames leaving him vulnerable for the arrow.

Also, Hiashi can't react to Amaterasu. Amaterasu would hit him, then he'd release the shield and rotate which is why Sasuke can take advantage of this and release the arrow straight after he's done rotating. Of course Hiashi hasn't shown much so I may even be wrong saying he can't react to its speed.

He can also neg susano inbetween the 2nd stage by blasting susano with vacuum wall, Destroyin the construct, Sasuke wouldve wasted chakra on Ama+susano.
Byakugan see's everthing even the build up for susano.

I don't think Vacuum wall can destroy Susanoo. Yes it can push it back but I don't think it can destroy it.

The arrow doesn't need to built up once it's out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiashi's range of rotation is very impressive if you ask me:



That rotation in addition to air palm which can blast the Juubi arm:



^^ Sasuke would be forced to keep distance for sure.

A distance like that (for rotation) is far less than what Sasuke needs to land the arrow without him being able to react.

 

[neosmith500]

Yeah but he'd still have to rotate to blast off the flames leaving him vulnerable for the arrow.

Also, Hiashi can't react to Amaterasu. Amaterasu would hit him, then he'd release the shield and rotate which is why Sasuke can take advantage of this and release the arrow straight after he's done rotatin

Na man hiashi would sense the build up and proceed to expell chakra which will stop Ama, keepin it far away without doing rotation.

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Why does he need to rotate to neg Ama when his chakra dome is many times the size of neji's?
+He can activate this shield of chakra even immediately after the rotation which will easily divert the course of the arrow.

I don't think Vacuum wall can destroy Susanoo.

Vacuum wall is not air but jyuken chakra which destroys chakra constructs and damages organs, Neji sent a tiny amount through a string to damage multiple organs/chakra network
Wall palm violently wrecks It.

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke negs this clown.

 

[Haizaki]

Na man hiashi would sense the build up and proceed to expell chakra which will stop Ama, keepin it far away without doing rotation.

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Why does he need to rotate to neg Ama when his chakra dome is many times the size of neji's?
+He can activate this shield of chakra even immediately after the rotation which will easily divert the course of the arrow.

Yeah he can actually see the build up. However, he'd still have to rotate. How does his Chakra dome being many times the size of Neji means he doesn't have to rotate? He still has to rotate to get rid of the flames. Unless he resorts to Blow body after the flames hit him.

He can't activate the shield of chakra right after rotating when it's that same shield that expands as he rotates. When rotation stops, he won't be seeing the arrow and as soon as it stops and I'm pretty sure the chakra shield removes as he stops, I don't see him deflecting it with activating the shield right after with such speed.

Vacuum wall is not air but jyuken chakra which destroys chakra constructs and damages organs, Neji sent a tiny amount through a string to damage multiple organs/chakra network
Wall palm violently wrecks It.

Not sure about it being able to destroy Susanoo with one shot. Considering Kisame chakra points weren't really affected when he was hit by it.

 

[super yang]

sasuke wins

while hiashi can deal w/ amaterasu/genjutsu/kenjutsu, its the susano'0 that will be used to put hiashi down w/ pressure & ultimately the arrow blitz.

sasuke will reflexively avoid hiashis techs beforehand - rotation will never come into play, air palm is linear & evasive shunshin > 64 palms.

then he'll use his trumps

 

[Draegod]

Are we talking about ems or ms? I'm confused on what the convo is on now since I see Enton arrow being brought up.

 

[Lariatoo]

Sasuke wins. Hebi Sasuke is debatable tho.

 

[neosmith500]

Yeah he can actually see the build up. However, he'd still have to rotate. How does his Chakra dome being many times the size of Neji means he doesn't have to rotate?.

The chakra dome itself can expand without the need to rotate, The rotation is only used to knock away the attack, its user can choose to keep this chakra as a shield, instantly expandin it if needed

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This should keep Ama at bay given the size of hiashi's dome not to mention hiashi can just wall palm the moment he see's the build up.

He can't activate the shield of chakra right after rotating

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It can expand to fit the situation.

Not sure about it being able to destroy Susanoo with one shot.

Its the same as itachi laughing at odama bein planted into him.
Kisame was void of pain+killer reserves+samehaba heck itachi laughed at odama blastin him in the chest.