False Fanfic; Obito outclasses Itachi.

[Demonic.]

A visual confirmation of both 3t and intangibility? A damn solid proof.

Kishimoto would have given away his plot twist if he had shown Obito with the same MS symbol as Kakashi before Tobi's identity was revealed -___-

Just excuse that shows no credibility

It's not an excuse, it's common sense -___-

Can you look at this objectively for a second? What would have happened if Kishimoto had shown Obito with the same MS symbol as Kakashi? Obito being alive was supposed to be a plot twist, and that would have given it away. This is obvious. U_U

If you read manga properly you'll notice that every time Obito used S/T his sharingan couldnt be seen.

Bruh. After it was revealed Obito was Tobi, it was seen all the time, even in flashbacks

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Yeah right, because it suits you to say so? Kishi could easily write zetsu heroically saving Obito the same.

There's no proof 3T Obito can use Kamui. Madara was unsure himself what had happened. The cave collapsed into Madara's lair, Obito moved when the cave collapsed.

And there is nothing in manga setting it into the stone.

Shisui
Itachi
Sasuke
Kakashi

All have had their MS active when using MS techniques. Why would Obito be any different?

Im not gonna hear your excuses and self made facts any longer U_U

These aren't excuses.

 

[bdm]

dude i just read your whole theory and got to the final conclusion is

the biggest fan of itachi is/was obito.. lol XD

 

[DoubleKamui]

This was obvious as stars on a clear night but unfortunately not so obvious for the blind Itachi fapboys out there. Sure, Itachi is an expert when it comes to analysing techniques but Obito can pretty much counter everything Itachi has in his arsenal.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kishimoto would have given away his plot twist if he had shown Obito with the same MS symbol as Kakashi before Tobi's identity was revealed -___-

Then why hasnt he omitted his eye like he always did up until revelation?

It's not an excuse, it's common sense -___-

Can you look at this objectively for a second? What would have happened if Kishimoto had shown Obito with the same MS symbol as Kakashi? Obito being a live was supposed to be a plot twist, and that would have given it away. This is obvious. U_U

As i already said but you dont get, it. Kishi done so, he has always kept design omitted. I would agree here if it wasnt for madara stating Obito just slipped through the rocks, because it wasnt necessary thus obviously intended.

Bruh. After it was revealed Obito was Tobi, it was seen all the time, even in flashbacks

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Bruh, obviously i meant before revealed, dont lose the track U_U

There's no proof 3T Obito can use Kamui. Madara was unsure himself what had happened. The cave collapsed into Madara's lair, Obito moved when the cave collapsed.

Madara wasnt even there, but of course he would say 'it looks like you slipped, what a miracle' when bunch of rocks from above broke through into underground passage probably blocking it, makes sense right?

Shisui
Itachi
Sasuke
Kakashi

All have had their MS active when using MS techniques. Why would Obito be any different?

Possibly because he's far more important character to the plot then those above to the point where he can even come back from death. As i said its not a rule and kishi reserved greater deeds for Obito thus he gave him intangibility before MS.

Obito also skipped sharingan evolutions, another plot device? U_U

These aren't excuses.

There are, you imply its a plot device as if kishi written himself into corner and couldnt write zetsu or madara saving him or something.
The literal device is why hashirama wasnt aimed with genjutsu during decades of war vs uchiha for example.

 

[Romy9]

I'll just leave this here.

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[Mellanoma]

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Obito feared Itachi #manga fact

 

[Demonic.]

Then why hasnt he omited his eye like he always did up until revelation?

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His sharingan was omitted altogether up until the point where Obito said he was "Madara Uchiha."

Tobi went intangible here, and we didn't even know he had a sharingan at all here:

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By your logic I can say even without Sharingan, Obito can use Kamui since Kishi didn't show it here.

As i already said but you dont get, it. Kishi done so, he has always kept design omitted. I would agree here if it wasnt for madara stating Obito just slipped through the rocks, because it wasnt necessary thus obviously intended.

Except, I'm telling you Madara didn't say Obito slipped through the rocks. He said it was almost like Obito slipped through the rocks.

It's an opinion from a third party member that didn't even know what happened and called it a "miracle" thus not a fact and you're using it as a fact.When there's all this evidence disproving it.

Possibly because he's far more important character to the plot then those above to the point where he can even come back from death. As i said its not a rule and kishi reserved greater deeds for Obito thus he gave him intangibility before MS.

Try not to go bias on me bro Lol

 

[lndra]

I'll just leave this here.

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You realize that was non-cannon bruh

 

[Romy9]

You realize that was non-cannon bruh

Of course, like almost every match up is non-canon. This is an exception because Kishimoto made this story. Bruh.

 

[lndra]

Of course, like almost every match up is non-canon. This is an exception because Kishimoto made this story. Bruh.

Then you should of realized when Obito uses the Kamui state in intangible form his body does not leave a ghostly shell, that's why it was non-cannon. Bruh

 

[Romy9]

Then you should of realized when Obito uses the Kamui state in intangible form his body does not leave a ghostly shell, that's why it was non-cannon. Bruh

You don't seem to understand that canon and non-canon don't matter here. What matters is the conversation, reaction and the convenience.

 

[lndra]

You don't seem to understand that canon and non-canon don't matter here. What matters is the conversation, reaction and the convenience.

Romy listen mate!
That's why I stated "Obito doesn't leave a ghostly shell in intangible form.'

No one could depict Obito's intangible abilities from look alone because his body never leaves a shell, therefore that conversation would of never happened in the manga, therefore I said to you.

It.
Is.
Non.
Cannon.
lol

 

[Romy9]

Romy listen mate!
That's why I stated "Obito doesn't leave a ghostly shell in intangible form.'

No one could depict Obito's intangible abilities from look alone because his body never leaves a shell, therefore that conversation would of never happened in the manga, therefore I said to you.

It.
Is.
Non.
Cannon.
lol

Indra, mate, you don't seem to catch my drift here. The ghostly shell doesn't matter. It doesn't impact his abilities and is a minor detail that can easily be disregarded next to the conversation at hand. To simplify, it's a theoretical conversation which would happen if Itachi and Obito ever crossed paths as enemies, as envisioned by Kishimoto. Canon? It simply doesn't matter because the author thinks so.

 

[lndra]

Indra, mate, you don't seem to catch my drift here. The ghostly shell doesn't matter. It doesn't impact his abilities and is a minor detail that can easily be disregarded next to the conversation at hand. To simplify, it's a theoretical conversation which would happen if Itachi and Obito ever crossed paths as enemies, as envisioned by Kishimoto. Canon? It simply doesn't matter because the author thinks so.

Answer this: Itachi stated "From your appearance, physical attacks won't work on you blah blah"
If Obito doesn't leave a ghostly shell in intangible state, then Itachi would of never said that simple and plain. It's not a theoretical conversation if Obito doesn't even do that in the manga, which is why I stated it was a non-canon. They just needed Itachi to remove Obito from the situation at a fast pace, therefore it is what you see in-front of you.

 

[Romy9]

Answer this: Itachi stated "From your appearance, physical attacks won't work on you blah blah"
If Obito doesn't leave a ghostly shell in intangible state, then Itachi would of never said that simple and plain. It's not a theoretical conversation if Obito doesn't even do that in the manga, which is why I stated it was a non-canon. They just needed Itachi to remove Obito from the situation at a fast pace, therefore it is what you see in-front of you.

You just jumped in your own mouth. I concur. Which further proves my point.

 

[VongolaX]

Mokuton GG

 

[lndra]

You just jumped in your own mouth. I concur. Which further proves my point.

Edit: Forget it. We finished this convo a while ago

 

[AlphaScythian]

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His sharingan was omitted altogether up until the point where Obito said he was "Madara Uchiha."

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No, kakashi and rest of itachi hunting team saw it before he made it to sasuke.

This is hardly relevant cuz after his sharingan reveal you still wont find MS design when S/T was used up till broken mask.

Tobi went intangible here, and we didn't even know he had a sharingan at all here:

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Is the fact that his eye is on the opposite side from our point of view and covered by mask supposed to prove what?

By your logic I can say even without Sharingan, Obito can use Kamui since Kishi didn't show it here.

You cant take such logic elsewhere nicely put, i never stated any of this.

Except, I'm telling you Madara didn't say Obito slipped through the rocks. He said it was almost like Obito slipped through the rocks.

It's an opinion from a third party member that didn't even know what happened and called it a "miracle" thus not a fact and you're using it as a fact.When there's all this evidence disproving it.

And that's the problem we have. You think madara for no reason decided to use this combination of words? Or was it because he tried to find some logical reason as to how severely damaged Obito could get into underground passage no one ever did and this what came out as he didnt know of kamui's existance? In other words it indicates intangibility, or will you label it coincidence rather then this kishi's give away as to how Obito survived being crushed by tonnes of rock??

Try not to go bias on me bro Lol

Was there something biased i said comparing to what i hear from you? You directly deny a scan and those words of madara screaming intangibility.

 

[Mad Daz]

Didnt think obito fans were so pathetic tbh. I could care less which of the 2 is stronger, but yall lookin petty.

 

[Demonic.]

And that's the problem we have. You think madara for no reason decided to use this combination of words? Or was it because he tried to find some logical reason as to how severely damaged Obito could get into underground passage no one ever did and this what came out as he didnt know of kamui's existance? In other words it indicates intangibility, or will you label it coincidence rather then this kishi's give away as to how Obito survived being crushed by tonnes of rock??

It hints at intangibility. Keyword - hints. It's not a "fact." Find a scan of Obito (not Tobi) phasing with 3T and that would be a fact.

Was there something biased i said comparing to what i hear from you? You directly deny a scan and those words of madara screaming intangibility.

I'm not denying anything. I know what it hints. I'm saying it's not a fact and can very well be a literacy device.

Fact: Every other Uchiha needs MS to use MS techniques.

Fact: 3T techniques were never stated to possess unique abilities from each other, only MS.

Fact: Obito went intangible after he awakened his MS, with his MS activated