The peace ideology in the series......

[Bansho Tenin]

peace gets boring quick

 

[Mr Hiru]

Naruto's idea was the most stable among those that appeared in the series.

In sociology, organization and enterpreneurship, you learn that there is a direct relationship between the stability of an idea and those who share it.

Nagato, Madara and Sasuke's idea were destined to fail.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Naruto's idea was the most stable among those that appeared in the series.

In sociology, organization and enterpreneurship, you learn that there is a direct relationship between the stability of an idea and those who share it.

Nagato, Madara and Sasuke's idea were destined to fail.

How would Madara's idea fail? His end game would have gotten rid of pestilence, war, famine, and death. Can Naruto's plan do that? Nope. That's why the Zetsu asspull was there.

The problem was how Madara and Obito went at it, causing needless deaths and not elaborating on their plan to the world. But even then they were the ones that brought the world together instead of Naruto. As Sasuke pointed out.

 

[Mr Hiru]

How would Madara's idea fail? His end game would have gotten rid of pestilence, war, famine, and death. Can Naruto's plan do that? Nope. That's why the Zetsu asspull was there.

The problem was how Madara and Obito went at it, causing needless deaths and not elaborating on their plan to the world. But even then they were the ones that brought the world together instead of Naruto. As Sasuke pointed out.

I think you don't get the point. Madara's plan would have been perfect if not by something:

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His concept of peace failed in the same manner that Kaguya's concept of peace failed.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Madara's was the most definite and Naruto's was the most sane. My peace plan is to just have everybody have *** with each other, o yea

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I think you don't get the point. Madara's plan would have been perfect if not by something:

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His concept of peace failed in the same manner that Kaguya's concept of peace failed.

Madara's concept of peace failed because it was secretly a tool for war. Kaguya didn't want peace but an army for some battle. Tbh, Kaguya's story didn't make any sense at all.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Madara's concept of peace failed because it was secretly a tool for war. Kaguya didn't want peace but an army for some battle. Tbh, Kaguya's story didn't make any sense at all.

But the means were exactly the same. The sole fact of using power as the basis of peace was what led Kaguya to her own defeat. No matter how much you speak about Madara's concept of peace, the mean to achieve it was what would led Madara to lose control over his "peace"... ergo, even without BZ's betrayal, Madara would have been driven mad and be controlled in the end by his own power.

Well, outer peace can't be achieved without inner peace. Madara's inner peace would have been lost in time. Power corrupts, this is a natural law that even applies in our society, my friend... and Madara wasn't an exception to this rule.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

But the means were exactly the same. The sole fact of using power as the basis of peace was what led Kaguya to her own defeat. No matter how much you speak about Madara's concept of peace, the mean to achieve it was what would led Madara to lose control over his "peace"... ergo, even without BZ's betrayal, Madara would have been driven mad and be controlled in the end by his own power.

Well, outer peace can't be achieved without inner peace. Madara's inner peace would have been lost in time. Power corrupts, this is a natural law that even applies in our society, my friend... and Madara wasn't an exception to this rule.

That's what I mean by Kaguya's story doesn't make much sense. Hagoromo says that power drove her mad. But later he says that he doesn't know what caused it and it's implied that the fruit screwed up her mind somehow.

 

[Mr Hiru]

That's what I mean by Kaguya's story doesn't make much sense. Hagoromo says that power drove her mad. But later he says that he doesn't know what caused it and it's implied that the fruit screwed up her mind somehow.

Exactly. The power took over her.

The fruit is a requirement to cast Infinite Tsukiyomi. The intentions of the user lose all meaning if the user's objective needed that fruit... no matter if the peace concept was perfect, the user was destined to be controlled if the tool to achieve it was the shinjuu's fruit.

Summary: He doesn't know what caused her madness. He only knows that this cause is related to the power given by the fruit.

Quite the analogy to the real world politics...

It's quite simple: If "her story didn't make sense", well, that's superfluous. It's enough if you understand that power corrupts. That's all, you don't need to look beyond that.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Exactly. The power took over her.

The fruit is a requirement to cast Infinite Tsukiyomi. The intentions of the user lose all meaning if the user's objective needed that fruit... no matter if the peace concept was perfect, the user was destined to be controlled if the tool to achieve it was the shinjuu's fruit.

Summary: He doesn't know what caused her madness. He only knows that this cause is related to the power given by the fruit.

Quite the analogy to the real world politics...

It's quite simple: If "her story didn't make sense", well, that's superfluous. It's enough if you understand that power corrupts. That's all, you don't need to look beyond that.

The fruit is not necessary needed to cast Infinite Tskukiyomi. Being the Juubi's jin like Hagoromo was enough. Madara never got his hands on the fruit, yet still casted IT and Obito was going to do the same.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The fruit is not necessary needed to cast Infinite Tskukiyomi. Being the Juubi's jin like Hagoromo was enough. Madara never got his hands on the fruit, yet still casted IT and Obito was going to do the same.

That's false. Both Obito and Madara were waiting for the fruit.

...and Madara absorbed it. Or did you forget that the Juubi asked him to do so?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

That's false. Both Obito and Madara were waiting for the fruit.

...and Madara absorbed it. Or did you forget that the Juubi asked him to do so?

Madara only absorbed a piece of the tree, not the fruit. Obito didn't seem to care about the fruit.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Madara only absorbed a piece of the tree, not the fruit. Obito didn't seem to care about the fruit.

Tell me which part of the tree was absorbed by Madara.

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...the entire tree, it seems.

And the part which was focused as the Holy tree was in fact, the Fruit.

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My case rests.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Tell me which part of the tree was absorbed by Madara.

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...the entire tree, it seems.

And the part which was focused as the Holy tree was in fact, the Fruit.

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My case rests.

It wasn't the entire tree, the stump where the fruit is suppose to appear is still there.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It wasn't the entire tree, the stump where the fruit is suppose to appear is still there.

Without the fruit

 

[Jɑégar]

so yeah now that the manga is over and aside from pairings which character had the best ideology , who had the best ideology about peace in the series ?

Nagato-wanted to show the world "pain"and was wiling to create a weapon by using the bijuu

madara- getting everyone inside a dream in which gives them everything they wanted in life and rule that dream world

naruto-by understanding each other's pain people will be able to obtain peach (kinda)

sasuke-rule the world and get red of the past mistakes(kages) and control the bijuu until all the hatred is foucesd on him(kinda like what lelouch did but wasn't sasuke wasn't wiling to die)

kaguya-now kaguya didn't necessarily had anything in mind about peace but her wanting to get all the chakra in the world for herself was kinda ok but then again humans would've just invented another thing to kill each other

now tell me which one do you think was close to obtain a temporary peace (theres no such a thing as "eternal peace" cause love is what causes hate )

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Peach can be obtained via any convenient store or a fruit seller.
OP:
Nagato, and Naruto.

 

[Nismo]

Narutos idea of peace is only working, because this is his manga. That's the only reason.