[VS] Base Minato vs Tsunade&Sakura

[Joseph Gomes]

Minato rapes, negs, molest, spanks, crucifies, destroys, gang bangs-you name it. How the hell is this debatable?

When has Tsunade or Sakura ever demonstrated combat speed? Ask the Sakura fans, and you'll get interesting answers XD

Like Tsunade having FTL reaction XD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

When has Tsunade or Sakura ever demonstrated combat speed? Ask the Sakura fans, and you'll get interesting answers XD

Like Tsunade having FTL reaction XD

KingHashirama over here thinks tsunade has superior striking speed than minato....

 

[Joseph Gomes]

KingHashirama over here thinks tsunade has superior striking speed than minato....

King Hashirama likes to make empty statements a lot. And he sometime use PIS scene to apply logic. Like Sakura dodging Kaguya's fist in 1 chapter and getting rescued by PS kakashi in the next panel. He uses that to show that Sakura can dodge everything in the manga. Not even Madara can hit Sakura XD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

King Hashirama likes to make empty statements a lot. And he sometime use PIS scene to apply logic. Like Sakura dodging Kaguya's fist in 1 chapter and getting rescued by PS kakashi in the next panel. He uses that to show that Sakura can dodge everything in the manga. Not even Madara can hit Sakura XD

That's why I make it a point to avoid getting into it with him.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

That's why I make it a point to avoid getting into it with him.

Lemme tell you how he views Tsunade/Sakura

Speed- hypersonic
Reaction speed- ftl
Lifting strength- megaton range
Punching strength- gigaton range
Invulnerable
Immortal
Omniscient (very smart Lol)
Immune to telepathy
Astral Projection

And much more XD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lemme tell you how he views Tsunade/Sakura

Speed- hypersonic
Reaction speed- ftl
Lifting strength- megaton range
Punching strength- gigaton range
Invulnerable
Immortal
Omniscient (very smart Lol)
Immune to telepathy
Astral Projection

And much more XD

Daphuk?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Daphuk?

Inner Sakura XD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Inner Sakura XD

But it never left her body.....

 

[Joseph Gomes]

But it never left her body.....

Depends on your interpretation

Ya dig?? XD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Depends on your interpretation

Ya dig?? XD

I don't dig. That's fcking stupid. I'm sorry for the Bluntness.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I don't dig. That's fcking stupid. I'm sorry for the Bluntness.

Apparently inner Sakura is the manifestation of Sakura's hidden potential that guides (?) her

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Sakura fans think it's some sort of astral projection Lol

 

[RedRobin]

The only chance they got is their playing possum surprise attack when he slits their throats.

 

[Conspirator.]

Alright, teleportation is instant, but the attacks that follow are not. Hence why SM Madara evaded Tobiramas blind sided FTG slash, countered Minatos rasengan as a Juubi jin, and how Kaguya evaded Sasuke's attacks. However, there is no evidence that Tsunade or Sakura have that level of reactions. Even an MS user like Izuna got blitzed by Tobirama's FTG slash.(who already admitted to have inferior shunshin speed to Minato) Hell even the likes of Ay and MS obito got outmanoeuvred by Minato. Hence, the duo have ZERO percent chance of reacting to a FTG blitz from Minato. Lol

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Alright, teleportation is instant, but the attacks that follow are not. Hence why SM Madara evaded Tobiramas blind sided FTG slash, countered Minatos rasengan as a Juubi jin, and how Kaguya evaded Sasuke's attacks. However, there is no evidence that Tsunade or Sakura have that level of reactions. Even an MS user like Izuna got blitzed by Tobirama's FTG slash.(who already admitted to have inferior shunshin speed to Minato) Hell even the likes of Ay and MS obito got outmanoeuvred by Minato. Hence, the duo have ZERO percent chance of reacting to a FTG blitz from Minato. Lol

You owned the whole thread bro XD

I wanna see if Sakura and Tsunade fans claim that Saku and Tsuna have better reaction time than an MS user Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Alright, teleportation is instant, but the attacks that follow are not. Hence why SM Madara evaded Tobiramas blind sided FTG slash, countered Minatos rasengan as a Juubi jin, and how Kaguya evaded Sasuke's attacks. However, there is no evidence that Tsunade or Sakura have that level of reactions. Even an MS user like Izuna got blitzed by Tobirama's FTG slash.(who already admitted to have inferior shunshin speed to Minato) Hell even the likes of Ay and MS obito got outmanoeuvred by Minato. Hence, the duo have ZERO percent chance of reacting to a FTG blitz from Minato. Lol

You're right. The attacks that follow are not instant. However, in the examples you gave about FTG users, they teleportated to a kunai, and did not have Madara marked. They had to teleport to an object, and not directly on their enemy. Sasuke teleported to Kaguya in a stance ready for an attack, not in the process of attacking.

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If we get into a Minato/Obito situation, and the enemy's marked, Minato could simply begin his attack, and, with proper timing, then teleport to said individual making a virtually instant attack. Kind of like this moment.

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When people are talking about an insta-blitz with a teleporter, this is what we're talking about. The teleporter begins their attack, and teleports himself right in front of his target, allowing for no reaction.

 

[Ken Masters]

minardo neg diff wins

 

[KCN]

1. Naruto being inexperienced has nothing to do with how fast Tsunade is.. Furthermore.. he had already fought Haku.

2. oh because not like you might end up being caught in your own poison, if you aren't fast enough to get away right? Though no one compared her evasivness to Minato...

3. He wasn't forced to Tsunade..Naruto or attack Naruto. He chose to attack him.

4. showed feats faster than Minato's.. don't need to convince you, only need to present actual feats.

Do let me know where I said A> Minato.. I said Minato would've been dead if he had teleported in any of the kunais on the field. But he didn't.. But guess what? Minato did teleport behind B's back.. and hence A couldn't kill him. The point was that Ay can react to Minato appearing after using FTG.


Tobirama can simply dodge them with his god like speed, so can minato.. and then just blitz Hashirama's head with their god like speeds, no? Sakura and Tsunade can easily catch Minato in a trap... this isn't a Minato vs Tsunade..

Then Minato is a Tobirama 2.0? (well in this case the 2.0 doesn't mean an upgraded version). Both can react to Minato's striking speed, FTG can't be reacted to.. just a fact. But neither is FTG an attack, its a technique used to make an attack. FTG itself is not an attack.

1. Naruto being inexperienced doesn't effect Tsunade's speed. His reaction time however, makes it seem quicker than it actually is. If we are to judge someone based on their striking speed, we have to look at the opponent's reaction time to form a proper conclusion as to how impressive the feat is. Naruto being who he is, makes it unimpressive. Yeah, fought Haku, and got repeatedly blitzed having to rely on Sasuke's sharingan to dodge. Moot point.

2. Dodge your own poison? When has that ever been a problem for anybody in the manga? When you attack, the attack is directed at the opposition, meaning it isn't going to be in the perimeter surrounding the caster. What's Shizune going to dodge? Her poison needles? Lol. And like I said, you aren't comparing her to Minato but you're using her as an example to prove why Tsunade's attack speed > Minato's. It just isn't working. Stop being stubborn and realise you're faulty analogy.

3. My lord, use some common sense. Kabuto and Orochimaru were outnumbered 4 to 2. Orochimaru would of had to jump in, unless you're suggesting Kabuto fights 2 legendary Sannin by himself, plus Naruto. This is why nobody takes you seriously.

4. Because you can't, and your only evidence is her blitzing 12 year old Naruto and featless, fodder Shizune Lol.

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When you say Ay would of been dead meat, what does that imply? It implies Ay would of killed Minato, making him the stronger of the two. Stop back peddling or concession accepted. Whether Ay can react to Minato's FTG is irrelevant to Tsunade. Ay's reflexes are miles beyond hers. Manga fact, end of story.

Lol, concession accepted once again. If you do not have an actual response, don't waste my time with your silly, childish retorts.

FTG is the base behind Minato's striking speed. When Minato teleports directly behind them, ready to strike, there is nothing they can do.

 

[Bogard]

Minato's striking speed is instantaneous or close to it anyway. There is practically no lag between the teleportation and striking speed at all. If you look carefully at these pictures:

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you'll notice that the kunai's position didn't change at all(while still in motion like we can see the straight lines indicating that on the second picture) when Minato teleported and striked Obito's back.

Now why didn't it perfectly work against Jubi jins(well more like against Madara jin considering even Obito jin had troubles)? It's because they possess high level precognition sensing(Rikudo chakra increasing that perception to extremes unlike the normal sage mode danger sensing Kabuto or SM Naruto showed for example) allowing them to predict attacks a certain while in advance and defend/counter-attack accordingly. Naruto himself(the best sage sensor of this manga) could notice Kaguya's teleportation movement the first time he actually saw it before everyone else and before the action actually happened(bottom right panel):

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Not to mention in the Minato-Madara's case, Minato didn't actually directly teleported onto Madara but some place before him from a kunai just placed right before him some time before. So not only he(like any other) could have actually easily anticipated the teleportation(since the kunai was throwed right before him a second before) but he also had his high precognition sensing active.

This is Naruto's six path sage mode databook

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.
From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of
Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

← Top caption says that the caster has an
unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six
Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).
→ Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb!
Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him
perform this risky stunt!"
← Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

Notice the bolded emphasize Madara Jin's reaction speed from the height of his sensing ability(and Naruto's exceeding his own)

Usually when hiraishin users teleport, you can notice question marks(whether from partners or foes):

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In Jubito's case, he was even prepared for any hiraishin teleport on his back(the chakra arms created as an auto-defense), yet he still had the surprised teleportative moment before actually defending himself:

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But notice Madara had no question mark when Minato teleports:

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It was practically like he was waiting for it(most likely due the the height of his sensing ability along/with kunais anticipation)

 

[Strict]

Thanks Bogard. That's exactly what I was saying. If the mark is on the target, Minato can teleport directly into it. There is as good as no interval between teleporting and striking. Same applies when the Kunai is in the opponents immediate range. Icelerate mentioned that Bee could prevent Minato vom striking Ay, but that doesn't prove he can't, as in fact he could, against Obito. As Bogard mentioned, even Juubito had trouble reacting to Hiraishin once marked. The first time, Tobirama directly teleported Naruto with his Rasengan ahead into Juubito, the second time he teleported with a huge Rasengan in Kyuubi's hand into Juubito, latter mentioning the teleportation with his supreme sensing skills, yet not able to dodge but instead using Chakra arms as a makeshift to somehow protect himself from the attack, as he couldn't dodge it.

Yes, Bee may reacted to it, but, as Blaze said, he may estimated that Minato will teleport behind him to extort Ay. He could have as well teleported

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. But there was obviously no killing intent.

So let's sum it up. A speed that surpasses Ay's and makes even Juubi Jins struggling, will fail against two slow characters like Tsunade and Sakura? Good one.

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Another and the best proof that there is actually no interval between teleporting and striking on marking targets:

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You see, that Minato teleported into the marked target, with the Kunai ahead while touching him with the other hand as well. It's canon.

 

[KingHashirama]

And these guys still think that FTG itself is an attack.. -sigh-.