Naruto > Sasuke right?

[KCN]

Only reason Sasuke stood a chance is because those 9 Bijuu were present, and he used there power. It's not like he can access that power anytime he wants, like Naruto who has Rikodou's chakra and the 9 Bijuu's engraved into his own system. If they were to fight again on a normal day, Naruto would totally paste him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Technically, all the Nature Energy in the world isn't part of Naruto's normal power either, but he can access it whenever he wants, so yes, Naruto is above Sasuke, if Sasuke doesn't have the Bijuu. Peak Naruto=Peak Sasuke. (During the Manga)

 

[LuckyMan]

Technically, all the Nature Energy in the world isn't part of Naruto's normal power either, but he can access it whenever he wants, so yes, Naruto is above Sasuke, if Sasuke doesn't have the Bijuu. Peak Naruto=Peak Sasuke. (During the Manga)

Where was it stated Naruto took in all the nature energy in the world?

 

[KidGamer65]

Where was it stated Naruto took in all the nature energy in the world?

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[LuckyMan]

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Wait that chapter is pretty old so the viz translation should be out by now. Do you have that?

 

[KidGamer65]

Wait that chapter is pretty old so the viz translation should be out by now. Do you have that?

It's somewhere in the VIZ thread. Don't have it ready to post though. It did say "everything available" so it doesn't state that he took in everything in the world, but it doesn't contradict it either.

Besides, Original Japanese Raws>VIZ.

 

[LuckyMan]

It's somewhere in the VIZ thread. Don't have it ready to post though. It did say "everything available" so it doesn't state that he took in everything in the world, but it doesn't contradict it either.

Besides, Original Japanese Raws>VIZ.

It couldn't possibly been all the nature energy in the world. If that were true, Naruto would need to have as much chakra as the entire planet has to balance out all that nature energy properly. I don't know what you think, but not even fresh Ridoku Naruto has more chakra than the entire planet, not even close, and certainly not the worn out Naruto who only had a little of the tailed beast chakra left at that point. I wouldn't take guys words as true, the manga contradicts it badly.

 

[KidGamer65]

It couldn't possibly been all the nature energy in the world. If that were true, Naruto would need to have as much chakra as the entire planet has to balance out all that nature energy properly. I don't know what you think, but not even fresh Ridoku Naruto has more chakra than the entire planet, not even close, and certainly not the worn out Naruto who only had a little of the tailed beast chakra left at that point. I wouldn't take guys words as true, the manga contradicts it badly.

1. That'd mean that Naruto has chakra equal to the amount of energy on the planet, not as much chakra as the planet, because the planet obviously doesn't have chakra. Lol. So I don't know why you keep mentioning that Naruto can't possibly have more chakra than the planet.

2. That's if you are entering Sage Mode, a regular Sage Mode. Naruto uses Six Path's Sage Mode, and he merely put all that energy into his final attack and his Avatar (possibly). So no, Naruto doesn't have that much chakra, as he didn't take it into his own body and balance it with his own reserves.

So no, manga doesn't contradict anything.

 

[V h o]

It's somewhere in the VIZ thread. Don't have it ready to post though. It did say "everything available" so it doesn't state that he took in everything in the world, but it doesn't contradict it either.

Besides, Original Japanese Raws>VIZ.

Just adding:
From the viz thread

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[KidGamer65]

^ There's the scan.

 

[LuckyMan]

1. That'd mean that Naruto has chakra equal to the amount of energy on the planet, not as much chakra as the planet, because the planet obviously doesn't have chakra. Lol. So I don't know why you keep mentioning that Naruto can't possibly have more chakra than the planet.

2. That's if you are entering Sage Mode, a regular Sage Mode. Naruto uses Six Path's Sage Mode, and he merely put all that energy into his final attack and his Avatar (possibly). So no, Naruto doesn't have that much chakra, as he didn't take it into his own body and balance it with his own reserves.

So no, manga doesn't contradict anything.

He can't put all the energy into his final attack first until he sucks it all up on his body because he has to mold and knead the chakra from within himself to actually create a Rasenshuriken to begin with and add that power to it. What you're saying is that Naruto somehow magically put all that nature energy into his attack without taking it into his body first and that contradicts all we know about senjutsu because the nature energy absorbed does not become chakra for you to access until you balance it properly first with your own chakra. If Viz didn't say the "whole planet" then you should not be taking some guys opinion on it on a internet forum who claims he (yes I just found out about who he is today) is Japanese and whose translations have turned out to be taken out of context sometimes and been completely wrong sometimes too, such as in this case.

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@The Scan

The scan shows nothing about it being all the nature energy on the planet. This is what I meant about it being taken out of context. Everything available and everything on the planet are two different things.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then this takes me back to my first point.

1. That'd mean that Naruto has chakra equal to the amount of energy on the planet, not as much chakra as the planet, because the planet obviously doesn't have chakra. . So I don't know why you keep mentioning that Naruto can't possibly have more chakra than the planet.

VIZ said "Everything that was available" Does that contradict what takL stated? No, it doesn't.

is Japanese and whose translations have turned out to be taken out of context sometimes and been completely wrong sometimes too, such as in this case.

When?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

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[Megax Rocker7]

Sasuke didn't master his rinne yet and was low on chakra other wise he could've used indra's arrow and easilly and absorb all naruto's attacks.

each time sasuke touched naruto he could've human pathed his ass but plot saved him.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Sasuke didn't master his rinne yet and was low on chakra other wise he could've used indra's arrow and easilly and absorb all naruto's attacks.

each time sasuke touched naruto he could've human pathed his ass but plot saved him.

plot also saved sasuke so get that outta here.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

plot also saved sasuke so get that outta here.

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[LuckyMan]

Then this takes me back to my first point.



VIZ said "Everything that was available" Does that contradict what takL stated? No, it doesn't.



When?

I don't have an account on NF. I searched in old threads involving his name and just looked at stuff hes done and read other comments about it since I can't post myself. Hes a good translator, what he says is more or less what the manga meant but its not exactly what the manga meant, not like Viz does, and that causes discrepancies like this one. Hes irrelevant anyway and his translation of that panel was proved incorrect by Viz because nothing of the planet was mentioned unless you want to believe his credibility > Viz.

He said everything on the planet, Viz said everything available but that does not mean the whole planet because nature energy comes from the earth, the ground, the air, water etc. It could have been all the energy from the air around them or the ground he as sitting on at the valley of the end and the surrounding area. The distinction wasn't made on this but my point is more sensible than your "whole planet" one.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

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Sasuke's Final PS would've negged them like flys the only thing he can do was fuse 3 BM to make aura avartar which can match the unblockable indra arrow.

besides a healthy sasuke can take everyon of them on the same whay vote sasuke did to naruto's clones since he's miles better than naruto in taijutsu.

 

[JStar King]

If there were no Bijuu, Sasuke owns. Naruto had Kurama storing chakra and giving him advice. Without Kurama, Sasuke would smash.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't have an account on NF. I searched in old threads involving his name and just looked at stuff hes done and read other comments about it since I can't post myself. Hes a good translator, what he says is more or less what the manga meant but its not exactly what the manga meant, not like Viz does, and that causes discrepancies like this one. Hes irrelevant anyway and his translation of that panel was proved incorrect by Viz because nothing of the planet was mentioned unless you want to believe his credibility > Viz.

Based on what? VIZ's translations? Lol. The best way to understand the context of the Japanese language (Any language actually) is to read that language, not to translate the language and then read it. So I'll go with the guy reading exactly what Kishi wrote over a company that takes that, and translates it to English.

Not to mention VIZ has been known to change the wording and meaning around.

Once again, stop using VIZ to disprove the Japanese Raw. What Kishi wrote>Translation of what Kishi wrote, into another language.

He said everything on the planet, Viz said everything available but that does not mean the whole planet because nature energy comes from the earth, the ground, the air, water etc. It could have been all the energy from the air around them or the ground he as sitting on at the valley of the end and the surrounding area. The distinction wasn't made on this but my point is more sensible than your "whole planet" one.

For the third time, there is no contradiction. Add that to the fact I have a translation from a native that states he took everything on the whole planet, we come to the conclusion that he took everything on the planet.