[VS] Base Minato vs Tsunade&Sakura

[Joseph Gomes]

You need at the very least V2 Ay, 7th gate Gai or SM Madara level reactions to stand a chance against FTG. Sakura and Tsunade's speed and reaction is obviously not at that level. With Minato's superior base speed, ability to teleport to his kunai and the fact that the two are primarily close ranged fighters, Minato can tag them quite easily and once that happens he can appear instantly or disappear instantly and then reappear.

Minato can smash their face with his rasengan and then use his kunais to slash their neck.

In terms of defensive precautions, Minato can send a clone to tag areas away from the immediate fight area so that if he ends up having trouble against 10% Katsuyu's acid or the AoE of Sakura/Tsuande's punches, he can simply evade it with ease and then come back under the cover of smoke, surprising them and catching them off guard.

All in all Minato should win with mid difficulty.

Sakura has never dodged any fast attack except for 1 PIS scene. By combat feats, MInato stomps

 

[Icelerate]

Sakura has never dodged any fast attack except for 1 PIS scene. By combat feats, MInato stomps

Why exactly did you feel the need to quote my post as I never implied Sakura reacts to Minato?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Why exactly did you feel the need to quote my post as I never implied Sakura reacts to Minato?

My bad, I quoted you by mistake

 

[Strict]

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You are wrong Blaze. Nobody can react at teleportation, it's a transferring from A to B.
To a marked target, Minato can do this as well: [

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]; appearing and slicing happens in the same moment. As well if the Kunai is in the opponents immediate range, what allows Minato to teleport right into the opponent [

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]. You saw no interval between appearing before the target and striking, he teleported right into him. There is no speed above teleportation. Tsunade and Sakura have no chance, when he blitzed the likes of Ay. Katsuyu is a non factor. Minato has a couple of boss summons which can also use Jutsu. Minato can also reverse summon Katsuyu. Acid can be sent back by a barrier, for example sent back to Tsunade and Sakura, with all these Kunai placed. Or he teleports Katsuyu away and immediately starts to attack them. How do you think it looks when Minato and a couple of clones will perform the Hiraishin no Jutsu, so multiple opponents using Hiraishin. As the clones are made of the users Chakra, they are all connected means they can teleport to each other. Minato's clone will just come into close combat with Tsunade and Sakura, as latter two are only limited to close combat, forcing either of them finish him off with a punch. The moment Tsunade's fist is right before the clone like

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, the real Minato teleports with his Rasengan ahead into Tsunade due to the Chakra connection with his clone, while at the same time marking her. This bitch's done from there on.

Mid diff would mean that Minato will have some trouble, which isn't the case. It's a low diff obviously.

 

[KCN]

Exactly ^

Minato has shown to attack on instant teleportation yet people actually think Tsunade and Sakura have a chance? That's really funny. At the end of the day, not one person supporting the medics provided an argument as to how they win, nor an explanation as to how they counter FTG.

All I've seen is "Waaahh waaah Minato overrated". Get a clue, man.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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low diff.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

To those who say Bee "reacted" to FTG.

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Please don't tell me that you're saying that Bee has better reflexes than both Ay and Madara. I know you guys don't like Minato, but face the logical conclusion. Bee couldn't have reacted to something that these top-tier characters could not, so Minato had to have been A.not had the same killing intent or only prepared to strike, giving an opportunity for Bee to react B. Bee managed to have a lucky guess where Minato would teleport.

 

[Blaze Release]

@ Strict, there are four ways that shinobi's from the very beginning are shown how to anticipate an opponents move. Above, left, right and below.

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Minato does indeed have these options as well as behind and in front with the exception being below.

In the encounter vs EI, he was the first person after seeing the technique to try and anticipate where Minato would teleport next using his kunai's.

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He was wrong as it was on Bee's tentacle. Now, Bee must have knew that his tentacle has been marked and that is why regardless of him being marked managed to yes anticipate it as he already had a heads up. He came to the common conclusion that if minato was to teleport, he would go behind him as that is the blind spot, luckily he was right.

Apart from me showing scans of bee having his left hand on his knee and the next chapter (when Minato teleported), having moved his left hand behind him, says that he knew exactly what he was doing. To top it off, when an exclamation mark is used it usually means that person whom this exclamation mark points to is shocked/caught unaware. We see this explanation coming from the fodder next to bee and not bee himself which again states that, he did indeed know what was going and wasn't shocked at all. His actions and body language is clear for all to see.

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Likewise during the third world war he did something very similar to the fodder. Teleported behind them, before striking. He didn't strike the instant he teleported like the examples you have given. Maybe that something he used to do as these two examples are identical but also during that period of time (third world war).
You can also see the exclamation mark on the fodder in the bottom left hand corner.

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You are right once he teleports is very hard to counter with no heads up, but body movement not so much. In the two scans you showed when he appeared infront of obito, swinging of the arm is the body movement. Likewise when he appeared above obito, the downwards movement to land rasengan is obviously the body movement so regardless of the fact that he teleports instantly, he does require some form of body movement to strike.

As for the fight vs Tsunade and Sakura the reason i said mid diff is because, for a start his summons has been restrict so you are wrong there. Secondly, the knowledge that Tsunade has on the technique, but also the fact that both of them are medic ninja's, who have shown that they are not going to be easily killed and with his restrictions imposed on him, it will not be as simple as, tagging and hiraishin blitz to the head like some think. Especially not when katsuya isn't restricted for the medics and can split into as parts needed to equal minato's hiraishin kunai's.

It may end in low diff not because of the reasons you have given, but rather because Tsunade has already been marked by minato's bodyguards, so that saves him the trouble. If Minato can sense that there is already a mark on Tsunade, then she bites the dust first and Sakura is finger food

 

[Bronze]

Bee managed to have a lucky guess where Minato would teleport.

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OT: Neither Sakura and Tsunade have the reflexes and reactions to fight against Minato's Shunshin, let alone his FTG. Given Tsunade and Sakura fight at close-range, Minato marks them and decapitate them. Their Medical Ninjutsu won't save them from certain death, as proven Tsunade couldn't heal from being cut in half by Madara. And Katsuya will be defeated by Gamabunta.

Minato low diff.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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OT: Neither Sakura and Tsunade have the reflexes and reactions to fight against Minato's Shunshin, let alone his FTG. Given Tsunade and Sakura fight at close-range, Minato marks them and decapitate them. Their Medical Ninjutsu won't save them from certain death, as proven Tsunade couldn't heal from being cut in half by Madara. And Katsuya will be defeated by Gamabunta.

Minato low diff.

Please, by all means, explain how else Bee put Minato in such a situation whereas Ay and Madara completely failed against him.

 

[Haizaki]

Blaze Release, you're just too good.

 

[Bronze]

Please, by all means, explain how else Bee put Minato in such a situation whereas Ay and Madara completely failed against him.

First, reflex and speed link to each other but not the same principle. As Rock Lee explained in P1:

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If we were to link this to Ay and Bee, the former has the body movements (speed) while the latter has the reflex to read through.

Second, what are you exactly trying to prove by Madara in the scan? He was standing meters away from Obito. He didn't even know Minato had marked Obito years before the war, so there was no possible way for him to respond to Minato out of nowhere teleporting to Obito. So I don't know what exactly your point is.

Blaze Release already addressed the situation. I'll address it myself:

1).

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As you can see from the red highlighted rectangle, Minato had already prepared his strike moment after teleporting, and Bee was simply fast enough to respond to him, both physically and mentally. And we have seen the result of that.

2). Like the previous event, Bee had already guessed he was marked. So he simply prepared for the moment Minato teleports behind him, which we saw him reacting to it.

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You're just downgrading Bee's accomplishment in favour for Minato.

 

[Valhorus]

Minato blitzes and slices the womans necks , they can't regenerate or wait they can , they will have 2 neck and 2 heads like hydras , because that is what Tsunade medical jutsu do right ? Cmon are you that blind to say Minato can't chop theiur heads off , I would feel bad , if I were you

 

[BenjerminGaye]

First, reflex and speed link to each other but not the same principle. As Rock Lee explained in P1:

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If we were to link this to Ay and Bee, the former has the body movements (speed) while the latter has the reflex to read through.

Second, what are you exactly trying to prove by Madara in the scan? He was standing meters away from Obito. He didn't even know Minato had marked Obito years before the war, so there was no possible way for him to respond to Minato out of nowhere teleporting to Obito. So I don't know what exactly your point is.

Blaze Release already addressed the situation. I'll address it myself:

1).

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As you can see from the red highlighted rectangle, Minato had already prepared his strike moment after teleporting, and Bee was simply fast enough to respond to him, both physically and mentally. And we have seen the result of that.

2). Like the previous event, Bee had already guessed he was marked. So he simply prepared for the moment Minato teleports behind him, which we saw him reacting to it.

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You're just downgrading Bee's accomplishment in favour for Minato.

I think bee anticipated, not reacted. He purposely put his marked tentacle directly behind him so minato would jump behind him

 

[Bronze]

I think bee anticipated, not reacted. He purposely put his marked tentacle directly behind him so minato would jump behind him

You can't intercept if you hadn't reacted to begin with.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You can't intercept if you hadn't reacted to begin with.

Intercept? He didn't obstruct anything. You can anticipate what you can't react to. Since anticipation means acting before "x" where as react means acting after "x"

 

[Bronze]

Intercept? He didn't obstruct anything. You can anticipate what you can't react to. Since anticipation means acting before "x" where as react means acting after "x"

You got it wrong, young man. React is a response to an event, but it doesn't fall under ''after'' concept in this discussion. If Bee hadn't responded to Minato (reaction), he wouldn't have prevented Minato stabbing Ay (intercepting). Thus, he used both principles in conjunction.

Reacting (x) > Bee visualized Minato's movement, and he prevented him from stabbing him > interception .

 

[Gold Lightning]

You got it wrong, young man. React is a response to an event, but it doesn't fall under ''after'' concept in this discussion. If Bee hadn't responded to Minato (reaction), he wouldn't have prevented Minato stabbing Ay (intercepting). Thus, he used both principles in conjunction.

Reacting (x) > Bee visualized Minato's movement, and he prevented him from stabbing him > interception .

Doesn't change the fact that a marked opponent means that an FTG user can instantly thrust an attack into said opponent. When minato teleported to bee, he stopped/paused, when he got behind bee, he was still talking, saying "I can't fail". At that point, minato didn't even know bee had a kunai at his stomach. If he had just insta stabbed him like he did to Obito, killer bees anticipation wouldn't have mattered, since you can't possibly strike faster than an FTG user that has marked you.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You got it wrong, young man. React is a response to an event, but it doesn't fall under ''after'' concept in this discussion. If Bee hadn't responded to Minato (reaction), he wouldn't have prevented Minato stabbing Ay (intercepting). Thus, he used both principles in conjunction.

Reacting (x) > Bee visualized Minato's movement, and he prevented him from stabbing him > interception .

In both cases it was anticipation. He clearly knew that Minato teleports to his kunai. Even the fodder knew that once seeing his Kunai and not minato. His tentacle was already in motion when minato teleported back. It's impossible for his tentacle movement speed to be superior to that of ay's or minato's.

I can give you another example if you'd like.

 

[grizzlyshree]

In both cases it was anticipation. He clearly knew that Minato teleports to his kunai. Even the fodder knew that once seeing his Kunai and not minato. His tentacle was already in motion when minato teleported back. It's impossible for his tentacle movement speed to be superior to that of ay's or minato's.

I can give you another example if you'd like.

Bee was just guessing the movements of minato and hence prepared it before minato used FTG