[Discussion] Byakuya vs Ukitake&Shunsui

[kotoamatsukami]

They were hit and they were pretty much two shotted because of his two rounds of wolves. And it did not hit zaraki but look at the explosion size. Compared to starkks it is very small. And that explosion I showed was only 3 wolves and we know starkk had many more.

Shunsui and Ukitake held up against yamas shikai. Also Kyoraku has extreme speed. And do not say Byakuya is faster because his speed was pwned by ichigo and starkk easily outsped both zaraki and ichigo.

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But kyoraku as able to keep up with starkk. BTW Kyoraku really was not gonna use bankai.

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Look at his face, he was joking and was saying it for fun. Then Wonderweiss shows up and flips the whole situation around. And starkk takes advantage and blasts Shunsui. Just like what kyoraku did to him. Prior to starkk using wolves Kyoraku hadn't even used a single shikai ability. When he finally used them he destroyed starkk. Irooni is a very strong ability. Combined with his speed and his shikai abilities, byakuya would not last even if he used bankai. Anything byakuya can do, Kyoraku does better. It took byakuya using bankai to beat espada 7. It took zaraki going all out to beat espada 5. After being injured and exhausted you think they can beat an espada stronger than starkk.... BS. You say a full powered ukitake and shunsui cant beat starkk but a heavily injured byakuya and zaraki can beat someone "stronger" than starkk. lol ok go find somewhere else to spout this nonsense.

Yes look at the explosion size an look at yammy he's big as hell an the explosion is much bigger than him an hes not even in his release form yet...ichigo an zaraki arrived at the same spot at the same time so are we saying ichigo an zaraki are the same fast? Ichigo did not even flash step...an how can kyoraku escape gokei senbonzakura in his hikai form? Even zommari the espada with the fastest sonido could not run out of it...Yama was not serious.

Look at his face what that mean?..he was going to use bankai an there's no way of denying that.

No kyoraku did use a shikai ability early in the fight he used 2 so what you talking bout?..yea he destroyed starkk cuz starkk was out of wolves an was not useing his cero guns thanks to kyoraku sneak attack...full powered kyoraku an ukitake no they are not actually full power they are just useing shikai, an Byakuya never even tried to use shikai on the espada guy he just used bankai an raped him as for zaraki he went all out but after the fight he got stronger..yea they did beat an espada stronger than starkk do you no read the manga?...an kyoraku himself also needed bankai to beat the espada he was fighting but thanks to the help he had he did not have to use it.

 

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Yes look at the explosion size an look at yammy he's big as hell an the explosion is much bigger than him an hes not even in his release form yet...ichigo an zaraki arrived at the same spot at the same time so are we saying ichigo an zaraki are the same fast? Ichigo did not even flash step...an how can kyoraku escape gokei senbonzakura in his hikai form? Even zommari the espada with the fastest sonido could not run out of it...Yama was not serious.

Look at his face what that mean?..he was going to use bankai an there's no way of denying that.

No kyoraku did use a shikai ability early in the fight he used 2 so what you talking bout?..yea he destroyed starkk cuz starkk was out of wolves an was not useing his cero guns thanks to kyoraku sneak attack...full powered kyoraku an ukitake no they are not actually full power they are just useing shikai, an Byakuya never even tried to use shikai on the espada guy he just used bankai an raped him as for zaraki he went all out but after the fight he got stronger..yea they did beat an espada stronger than starkk do you no read the manga?...an kyoraku himself also needed bankai to beat the espada he was fighting but thanks to the help he had he did not have to use it.

I do not see why you bother reading manga if you have no ability to interpret the pictures or facial expressions. Look at Kyorakus face again. He is not going to use it. Ukitake even said he had no intention of using it. Then when Ukitake was pressuring him about it Kyoraku joked about using it. And Ukitake made sure he wouldn't by telling him not to. Kyoraku had no intention of using it. It is not his personality to use it and he knew he shouldn't use it with so many people around.

Ichigo blitzed Byakuya in speed. Starkk blitzed Ichigo in speed. Manga facts>your perceptive ability. Zommamari with the self-proclaimed "fastest" sonido. BS, Starkk is clearly the fastest espada. Starkk went from all the way out in the Desert and all the way back to Aizen in an instant.

Yes Ukitake and Kyoraku were at full health and full power (shikai was clearly what was implied here) and you say they can't beat starkk together. But a heavily injured Zaraki and Byakuya can beat someone stronger than Starkk. Your logic is flawed. Zaraki may have gotten stronger but that doesn't mean he got strong enough to beat espada 4 or 3 or higher. Byakuya only got weaker after a fight he won with high diff. So beating an espada stronger than 1 was not possible for them. Yammy is trash. He is full of himself and boasts about abilities, same with Zomamari with the "fastest" sonido and Nnoitora with the "strongest" hierro. A character stating something aboput themselves does not make it true.

Yammy was released, look at him, he evolves the angrier he gets. His size is not much larger tham a multi story building as shown in the other scan I posted. His blast is less than 1/3 the size of Starkks wolves. And you clearly don't pay much atttention because Starkk's ability is to split his soul, he can make more wolves whenever he wants.

 

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[kotoamatsukami]

I do not see why you bother reading manga if you have no ability to interpret the pictures or facial expressions. Look at Kyorakus face again. He is not going to use it. Ukitake even said he had no intention of using it. Then when Ukitake was pressuring him about it Kyoraku joked about using it. And Ukitake made sure he wouldn't by telling him not to. Kyoraku had no intention of using it. It is not his personality to use it and he knew he shouldn't use it with so many people around.

Ichigo blitzed Byakuya in speed. Starkk blitzed Ichigo in speed. Manga facts>your perceptive ability. Zommamari with the self-proclaimed "fastest" sonido. BS, Starkk is clearly the fastest espada. Starkk went from all the way out in the Desert and all the way back to Aizen in an instant.

Yes Ukitake and Kyoraku were at full health and full power (shikai was clearly what was implied here) and you say they can't beat starkk together. But a heavily injured Zaraki and Byakuya can beat someone stronger than Starkk. Your logic is flawed. Zaraki may have gotten stronger but that doesn't mean he got strong enough to beat espada 4 or 3 or higher. Byakuya only got weaker after a fight he won with high diff. So beating an espada stronger than 1 was not possible for them. Yammy is trash. He is full of himself and boasts about abilities, same with Zomamari with the "fastest" sonido and Nnoitora with the "strongest" hierro. A character stating something aboput themselves does not make it true.

Yammy was released, look at him, he evolves the angrier he gets. His size is not much larger tham a multi story building as shown in the other scan I posted. His blast is less than 1/3 the size of Starkks wolves. And you clearly don't pay much atttention because Starkk's ability is to split his soul, he can make more wolves whenever he wants.

No he had no choice but to use it no matter if he wanted to or not cuz if e don't use it he will never get close to starkk again,he was not expecting starkk to be able to fire so many cero at once an after seeing that he changed his mind an saw that he would need his bankai if ukitake would have not jumped in.

Um no I don't believe ichigo was even aware that starkk was even around he snuck in there an ichigo was not finish healing yet..naw you think starkk is faster.

Well first lets get one thing clear Byakuya an zaraki were not heavily injured now that I think about it I don't even know where you got that from?..the only damage don't to Byakuya is why he did to himself an unohana healed thoes injuries completely as for zaraki he does not really slow down from being cut as you seem in his fight with noritora so he was also in good health an I believe he was also healed by unohana aswell seeing as he showed up with her an his wounds were closed up...lol byakuya beat his espada with high diff? Lol we must be reading different versions of this manga...naw yammy felt ulquiorra reiatsu an still called him trash.

No yammy was not released once he did his real release it never went back to the fight...after looking at that scan an watching the anime,Yammy cero never hit the ground head on it just went forward an picked up lots of sand....so then starkk choose to lose an not use his full power? No that's a negative he could no longer form wolves thanks to kyoraku sneak attack.

 

[ssjelf]

No he had no choice but to use it no matter if he wanted to or not cuz if e don't use it he will never get close to starkk again,he was not expecting starkk to be able to fire so many cero at once an after seeing that he changed his mind an saw that he would need his bankai if ukitake would have not jumped in.

Um no I don't believe ichigo was even aware that starkk was even around he snuck in there an ichigo was not finish healing yet..naw you think starkk is faster.

Well first lets get one thing clear Byakuya an zaraki were not heavily injured now that I think about it I don't even know where you got that from?..the only damage don't to Byakuya is why he did to himself an unohana healed thoes injuries completely as for zaraki he does not really slow down from being cut as you seem in his fight with noritora so he was also in good health an I believe he was also healed by unohana aswell seeing as he showed up with her an his wounds were closed up...lol byakuya beat his espada with high diff? Lol we must be reading different versions of this manga...naw yammy felt ulquiorra reiatsu an still called him trash.

No yammy was not released once he did his real release it never went back to the fight...after looking at that scan an watching the anime,Yammy cero never hit the ground head on it just went forward an picked up lots of sand....so then starkk choose to lose an not use his full power? No that's a negative he could no longer form wolves thanks to kyoraku sneak attack.

Yammy was released, read those chapters or look on the wiki for a summary. I have done both. he released his zan.

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I was saying that starkk can form more wolves then the ones he did. Obviously he couldnt after kyoraku stabbed him, but the power shown was only a taste of what he could do. Stop taking my arguments out of context.

And technically speaking unohana showed up after Zaraki and Byakuya did. Then zaraki got punched and got more injured. They had two fights already, you cant tell me they were full powered.

Im done arguing with you though, it is a waste of time. Byakuya and zaraki are not as strong in HM as Kyoraku and ukitake. They are the most senior captains besides unohana and Yamamoto. They have hundreds of years on Byakuya and zaraki has done nothing but limit himself until thousand year war arc. There is a reason that they have not yet revealed a bankai, they don't need to. Kubo has played them up because they are incredibly strong. One final scan by the most powerful shinigami himself yamamoto.

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So yeah they really coulda beat starkk ut they never got the chance to fight him together as it was. Because wonderweiss stepped in almost immediately.

 

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[kotoamatsukami]

Yammy was released, read those chapters or look on the wiki for a summary. I have done both. he released his zan.

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I was saying that starkk can form more wolves then the ones he did. Obviously he couldnt after kyoraku stabbed him, but the power shown was only a taste of what he could do. Stop taking my arguments out of context.

And technically speaking unohana showed up after Zaraki and Byakuya did. Then zaraki got punched and got more injured. They had two fights already, you cant tell me they were full powered.

Im done arguing with you though, it is a waste of time. Byakuya and zaraki are not as strong in HM as Kyoraku and ukitake. They are the most senior captains besides unohana and Yamamoto. They have hundreds of years on Byakuya and zaraki has done nothing but limit himself until thousand year war arc. There is a reason that they have not yet revealed a bankai, they don't need to. Kubo has played them up because they are incredibly strong. One final scan by the most powerful shinigami himself yamamoto.

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So yeah they really coulda beat starkk ut they never got the chance to fight him together as it was. Because wonderweiss stepped in almost immediately.

Well yea I see, I'm talking about when yammy grew stronger period we did not see him fight.

He can form ore wolves than shown how so? He formed all the wolves he could,an by the way you said it I thought you were saying he could have formed more wolves against kyoraku.

No after Byakuya beat zommari he was with unohana an the other healing girl,so yea of course he was healed before moving on,an zaraki wounds were closed up like I said I wonder how? An Byakuya barely fought his fight was over with quickly he wasted no energy with that espada an zaraki can fight forever aslong as he's awake he does not really tire he's a monster...an what do you mean by they had 2 fights already?..an they showed up after ichigo beat ulquiorra meaning they had lots of rest time

I did not say Byakuya an zaraki were as strong as thoes 2 back then I said they are stronger than thoes 2 useing shikai...yea Yama is saying that about all of their power not just their shikai's...yea they would have beat starkk if one of them used bankai that is,their shikai's won't gone cut it...an starkk is not a shinigami so Yama was not speaking on him in this scan.