[VS] Base Minato vs Tsunade&Sakura

[Gold Lightning]

probably not in your fan-fiction, but in kishimoto's manga they do.



Minato would've been dead if he had tried to kill Killer B.. sorry to burst your "minato is invincible" bubble.


Minato gets destroyed on by any 2 Kages. Wanking on FTG is pointless.

sorry to burst your bubble, but ftg marking has a radius. Minato could've instantly teleported above, infront or beside bee and finished him off. Too bad Minato had no intention of killing him.

stop grasping at straws.

 

[KingHashirama]

sorry to burst your bubble, but ftg marking has a radius. Minato could've instantly teleported above, infront or beside bee and finished him off. Too bad Minato had no intention of killing him.

stop grasping at straws.

. This is when Minato fanboys sound desperate like Hashirama fanboys who wank on Bringer Of Darkness.

And like I said if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. he would've been dead. Just a fact.

His ftg might have a radius cool.. but his striking speed is pretty counterable.. so yea. People don't have to counter his ftg.. they can simply counter his striking speed, which is really not tht fast.

 

[Gold Lightning]

. This is when Minato fanboys sound desperate like Hashirama fanboys who wank on Bringer Of Darkness.

And like I said if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. he would've been dead. Just a fact.

His ftg might have a radius cool.. but his striking speed is pretty counterable.. so yea. People don't have to counter his ftg.. they can simply counter his striking speed, which is really not tht fast.

Oh lord, you are a special case. There is NO STRIKING SPEED when you are marked. Once you're marked, you can instantly telelport your strikes into your opponent.

This is what happens when an oppoenent is marked:

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There is no time to react, not even a Juubi jin can.

Yet you're trying to argue with such a simple fact. Even Juubito could not react to being marked. Because you instantly teleport into the opponent. Bee's reflexes aren't better than Juubitos, so stop with your nonsense already.

Databook - Yondaime applies a "jutsu-shiki" to weapons such as kunai in advance. It is also
possible to leave it in a touched area, and when it is engraved on an enemy's
body, it becomes a curse seal with a sentence of death! - doesn't get clearer than this. There's no escaping death when you're marked. Unless you're spared, with killing intent bee was dead.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

. This is when Minato fanboys sound desperate like Hashirama fanboys who wank on Bringer Of Darkness.

And like I said if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. he would've been dead. Just a fact.

His ftg might have a radius cool.. but his striking speed is pretty counterable.. so yea. People don't have to counter his ftg.. they can simply counter his striking speed, which is really not tht fast.

Minato was in a position preparing to strike. Had he decided to use the same tactic as he did against Obito, or like Sasuke did to Madara and strike, and then teleport, Bee would have been screwed. There's no "reacting" to FTG when marked (FTG LV 2 is a different story). There is only predicting. If there was anything Bee did, it was predict that Minato would teleport behind him. It's not a reaction feat. This is where the radius comes in. Minato could easily pick multiple angles to teleport from, ruining prediction.

 

[Haizaki]

One says there's no striking speed when you're marked? Don't get that.

Tobirama was noticed as soon as he appeared behind Juubito

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and even waited for Obito to get distracted before he could lay his hands on him and switch places

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Juubito got hit the very first time when Naruto was teleported to him because he most likely tried to use Kamui and then failed.

He reacted with chakra arms when a Rasengan was teleported to him

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If there wasn't striking speed, he'd always be hit instantly every time before he can react with stuff like chakra arms.

 

[KingHashirama]

^^^ Thank you Haizaki for countering that.

Oh lord, you are a special case. There is NO STRIKING SPEED when you are marked. Once you're marked, you can instantly telelport your strikes into your opponent.

This is what happens when an oppoenent is marked:

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There is no time to react, not even a Juubi jin can.

Yet you're trying to argue with such a simple fact. Even Juubito could not react to being marked. Because you instantly teleport into the opponent. Bee's reflexes aren't better than Juubitos, so stop with your nonsense already.

Databook - Yondaime applies a "jutsu-shiki" to weapons such as kunai in advance. It is also
possible to leave it in a touched area, and when it is engraved on an enemy's
body, it becomes a curse seal with a sentence of death! - doesn't get clearer than this. There's no escaping death when you're marked. Unless you're spared, with killing intent bee was dead.

And like I said.. if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. B would've killed Minato also.....

Minato was in a position preparing to strike. Had he decided to use the same tactic as he did against Obito, or like Sasuke did to Madara and strike, and then teleport, Bee would have been screwed. There's no "reacting" to FTG when marked (FTG LV 2 is a different story). There is only predicting. If there was anything Bee did, it was predict that Minato would teleport behind him. It's not a reaction feat. This is where the radius comes in. Minato could easily pick multiple angles to teleport from, ruining prediction.

Its not about reacting to FTg.. its about reacting to when he appears and tries to attack.. which multiple people have done already.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

One says there's no striking speed when you're marked? Don't get that.

Tobirama was noticed as soon as he appeared behind Juubito

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and even waited for Obito to get distracted before he could lay his hands on him and switch places

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Juubito got hit the very first time when Naruto was teleported to him because he most likely tried to use Kamui and then failed.

He reacted with chakra arms when a Rasengan was teleported to him

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If there wasn't striking speed, he'd always be hit instantly every time before he can react with stuff like chakra arms.

In case you didn't notice, once again, Tobirama wasn't already reaching for him. He did it after teleorting.


As for the ransengan, why aren't you using Tobirama's own explanation?

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"He read into our attack." This is exactly what I'm talking about. He clearly was preparing his defense beforehand since a huge ransengan being formed fairly slowly makes it pretty obvious they were going to use FTG. Simple fact is this. The only time FTG failed on Juubito is when Tobirama stated he read into (predicted) the attack.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Minato wins this handily.

This neg-low diff thing though ...Lol

 

[Naoya Minato]

And like I said.. if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. B would've killed Minato also.....

Minato was still breathing, moving and performing techniques after the Nine-Tails pierced his entire chest. How will a tiny sword which would have pierced a small part of his abdomen kill Minato?

Kakashi was pierced by Obito in a similar manner and what did he do? Oh, right, he survived.

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[KingHashirama]

In case you didn't notice, once again, Tobirama wasn't already reaching for him. He did it after teleorting.


As for the ransengan, why aren't you using Tobirama's own explanation?

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"He read into our attack." This is exactly what I'm talking about. He clearly was preparing his defense beforehand since a huge ransengan being formed fairly slowly makes it pretty obvious they were going to use FTG. Simple fact is this. The only time FTG failed on Juubito is when Tobirama stated he read into (predicted) the attack.

thats what Tobirama "assumed" sir. rofl.

FTG is a 1 trick pony.

Minato was still breathing, moving and performing techniques after the Nine-Tails pierced his entire chest. How will a tiny sword which would have pierced a small part of his abdomen kill Minato?

Kakashi was pierced by Obito in a similar manner and what did he do? Oh, right, he survived.

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Cool, guess what if Minato had striken Obito.. guess what he would've done? survived..


Its funny you only talk about Kakashi.. but leave out the fact that Kakashi's blow was going to kill Obito...

andd then you of course forget this one:

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[Haizaki]

He read our attack but the main point was he reacted. He reacted to something that one supposedly can't react to despite its speed. If their strike was fast enough, they would have bypassed him but he reacted as soon as they appeared.

 

[Strict]

The difderence between Juubito and Madara was, that Minato teleported to the Kunai he threw before Madara. If the target is marked, Minato teleports into him. Just like when the Kunai is in the opponents immediate range like it was the case against Ay and Obito. I already explained why Bee in fact didn't react to FTG. Minato just teleported behind Bee and started to extort Ay. Enough time to put out his blade.

Minato blitzed Ay, yet dumbasses argue about Tsunade.

 

[Naoya Minato]

Cool, guess what if Minato had striken Obito.. guess what he would've done? survived..


Its funny you only talk about Kakashi.. but leave out the fact that Kakashi's blow was going to kill Obito...

What are you talking about?

I showed that a stab through your stomach doesn't necessarily kill you. B had his sword placed against Minato's stomach. How would that end up in Minato dying?

andd then you of course forget this one:

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Because Madara is totally getting stabbed through his abdomen there, right? Madara was stabbed through his heart. That is fatal. A stab through your abdomen isn't necessarily fatal.

 

[Gold Lightning]

One says there's no striking speed when you're marked? Don't get that.

Tobirama was noticed as soon as he appeared behind Juubito

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and even waited for Obito to get distracted before he could lay his hands on him and switch places

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Juubito got hit the very first time when Naruto was teleported to him because he most likely tried to use Kamui and then failed.

He reacted with chakra arms when a Rasengan was teleported to him

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If there wasn't striking speed, he'd always be hit instantly every time before he can react with stuff like chakra arms.

Juubito still didn't react though, he did nothing to counter Tobirama. And Tobirama didn't strike Juubito instantly, firstly because he had no senjutsu to attack him with and because the timing had to be right to react in tandem with minato, he specifically waited for Minatos distraction.

Try to react using kamui is a mere assumption. He didn't react with kamui when minato stabbed him twice.

Those are two giant Kurama avaters holding a giant heavy rasengan, yet you expect the striking speed to be the same?and someone explain to me why were are comparing Juubito's reactions to bee???? It took Jubito 3 attempts to finally anticipate FTG, his 1 momement of finally reacting isn't anything to be proud of. If he wasn't a Juubi Jin, he would've been dead twice before that. If you don't know it's coming, you can't possibly do anything. Juubito was literally watching minato and Naruto form that rasenagn, and watched Tobirama as he was about to teleport them. They literally told him what they were gonna do, it was an unavoidable situation, they were 2 giant beings, so they couldn't exactly hide themself.

There are literally 2 or 3 different manga panels that show that a marked can be insta-hit. Yet in order to try and refute this, people are bringing up sage of six path rikudo Juubi jin powered beings. lOl, this is Tsunade and Sakura we're arguing against. They can't physically react.

 

[Gold Lightning]

And like I said.. if Minato had tried to kill Killer B.. B would've killed Minato also.....

Ignores whole post because he has no counter, gives me this Bs.

Stabs through the stomach region are survivable. Stab to the brain isn't.

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Konan still continued after this.

Minato freaking had a whole Kurama nail through his body, yet performed multiple different jutsu and was still able to stand and speak. Yet you think bees teeny weeny blade would've killed him, you're pathetic.

Then you show a scan of Hashirama stabbing Madara through the chest/heart region. XD are you for real? Show me the scan where bee points his sword towards Minatos chest, I'll wait. Because clearly you think being stabbed in those two different regions are the same thing. Again, I'll repeat it for you, just so you understand how stupid you are. Minato got a whole giant ass nail though the stomach, and yet he lived. Bee would've died, minato would've teleported home and got treatment.

 

[Haizaki]

People bring Juubi Jins because you outright said he couldn't react when he had no intel at first that he was marked. When he knew, he reacted every time except when he tried to use Kamui and failed. Them being avatars should at least tell you that the striking speed of the opponents depends since you're making a case for why the avatar was the reason why Juubito was able to react faster.

Trying to react with Kamui is no assumption when he outright said it here

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In order for him to know that he couldn't use Kamui with the Juubi, he'd have to try it first. So tell me again how it's an assumption?

I wasn't making a case for Tsunade being able to keep up at all because she's not keeping up.

 

[Blaze Release]

Not sure where it was said that Minato had no killing intent agains't kumo nin's.
This was during the 3rd great war where the village's were fighting amongst each other.

When Minato got the chance to strike Ei he was going for the kill for B to intercept.
This gave away his identity and basically the secret weapon of Kumo. To top it off, a jin who has some form of control over its host is not something to be taken lightly, especially in a war when these guys are your enemies. Doubt Minato casually brushed off and didn't see bee as a threat, an enemy who is a host who can control its tailed beast.

Fact that he teleported to his blind spot, hand a kunai to his head and said i won't fail kinda makes it hard to believe that if he got the chance (without bee anticipating), he wouldn't have taken it, especially given the situation they were in. Bee's reaction having a knife to his gut and warning him that he also risks his life if he was to go through with the action is also enough to say that, Bee believed his life was in danger and took precautions agains't this.

Anyway the medics are very limited. Only thing i can think of is them summoning katsuya who splits into as many parts needed to counter minato's hiraishin kunai's and basically spew acid on them to eradicate it, to try and restrict hiraishin as much as possible. Manga knowledge means that Tsunade will obviously know of hiraishin and what its all about and might (a big might), try to anticipate a few, just like bee, who's left hand was on his knee on this page [

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] and the next page, when minato teleported had anticipated and readied a counter. [

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]. Even so, hiraishin isn't limited as he can mark the area (tree, rock, etc), but also his base speed is enough to give him the edge.

Since we have seen that Minato has decapitated shinobi's before (fodder that tried to attack gaiden kakashi during the war), but also held a kunai to bee's head, once he notes that his rasengan's may not be enough, this will be his next option and neither are generating their heads back.

Minato mid diff at best.

 

[KingHashirama]

What are you talking about?

I showed that a stab through your stomach doesn't necessarily kill you. B had his sword placed against Minato's stomach. How would that end up in Minato dying?



Because Madara is totally getting stabbed through his abdomen there, right? Madara was stabbed through his heart. That is fatal. A stab through your abdomen isn't necessarily fatal.

he didn't stab him through the heart.

Minato ain't no Hashirama, that can take on multiple kage level ninja.. sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Zavage10]

How in the hell do they even touch him?

 

[Icelerate]

You need at the very least V2 Ay, 7th gate Gai or SM Madara level reactions to stand a chance against FTG. Sakura and Tsunade's speed and reaction is obviously not at that level. With Minato's superior base speed, ability to teleport to his kunai and the fact that the two are primarily close ranged fighters, Minato can tag them quite easily and once that happens he can appear instantly or disappear instantly and then reappear.

Minato can smash their face with his rasengan and then use his kunais to slash their neck.

In terms of defensive precautions, Minato can send a clone to tag areas away from the immediate fight area so that if he ends up having trouble against 10% Katsuyu's acid or the AoE of Sakura/Tsuande's punches, he can simply evade it with ease and then come back under the cover of smoke, surprising them and catching them off guard.

All in all Minato should win with mid difficulty.