Reason why Hashirama beats Minato

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Low diff actually. Minato can't do anything to Hashirama. Hashi can spam wood clone and take a nap

Low diff ? Then why didn't Hashirama dodged Madaras attack when Madara came back to life? Hashirama did not react to it, but I am pretty sure Minato and Tobirama could have dodged that speed of Madara. I agree FTG can be countered if you have faster reaction speed and faster to counter back FTG users, however.. I disagree that Hashirama beats Minato low diff, at least High.

Besides, you don't know how FTG works. Minato has FTG to teleport the whole Mokuton to another place.
Minato's intelligence is on another level than Hashirama. Minato with BM is very fast + has stronger attacks. Mokuton has the power to absorb Tailed Beast strength yes, even though Minato can just teleport away.

Minato alive is much faster and he can use 100% of his power. But Hashirama being an Edo got owned by Madara alive, so the same as Minato if he was alive.

Don't try to put Tobirama here, AND don't even try to compare the one who became the Jinchuriki. Madara Jin with 1 Rinnegan would have soloed Hashirama pretty quickly. Minato had one arm, but Kishi nerfed him, same as Hiruzen and Tobirama. Hashirama only fought Madara, that's all

Did you even noticed the only who did not got regenerated was Minato, while Tobirama, Hiruzen and Hashirama once or twice got their Edo body crushed completely and got regenerated again? Minato only lost two of his arms.
 

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Ok...BUT! Full Power Minato VS Full Power Hashirama Is A Win In Minato's Favor...

Note : Full Power Minato = Minato Fused With Ma & Pa While He's In Kurama Avatar & Has Prepared Marking Around & Outside The Battlefield...
Full Power Hashirama = SM Hashirama...

Actually Prepared Minato Is The Worst Opponent To Mess With & Hashirama Ain't Stomp Him.

He'll never get the chance to summon ma and Pa

Hashirama still beats BM minato. His BM lasts 5 minutes too. Minato hasn't shown to be able to use FTG while in Kurama avatar ( tobirama had to FTG him)
 

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I didn't say anything about FTG speed. It's his use of FTG that is better(FTG slash<< FTG lv 2). And if minato wasn't physically faster, then why did he arrive 6 manga pages (onto the battlefield) before Tobirama did?

This guy gets it.
 

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He'll never get the chance to summon ma and Pa

Hashirama still beats BM minato. His BM lasts 5 minutes too. Minato hasn't shown to be able to use FTG while in Kurama avatar ( tobirama had to FTG him)

That's BECAUSE Minato's markings on Obito disappeared while Tobirama had the markings on Obito, AND Minato's kunais was too far away for him to teleport near Obito.

Dude, do you even read the manga?
 

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Low diff ? Then why didn't Hashirama dodged Madaras attack when Madara came back to life? Hashirama did not react to it, but I am pretty sure Minato and Tobirama could have dodged that speed of Madara. I agree FTG can be countered if you have faster reaction speed and faster to counter back FTG users, however.. I disagree that Hashirama beats Minato low diff, at least High.

Besides, you don't know how FTG works. Minato has FTG to teleport the whole Mokuton to another place.
Minato's intelligence is on another level than Hashirama. Minato with BM is very fast + has stronger attacks. Mokuton has the power to absorb Tailed Beast strength yes, even though Minato can just teleport away.

Minato alive is much faster and he can use 100% of his power. But Hashirama being an Edo got owned by Madara alive, so the same as Minato if he was alive.

Don't try to put Tobirama here, AND don't even try to compare the one who became the Jinchuriki. Madara Jin with 1 Rinnegan would have soloed Hashirama pretty quickly. Minato had one arm, but Kishi nerfed him, same as Hiruzen and Tobirama. Hashirama only fought Madara, that's all

Did you even noticed the only who did not got regenerated was Minato, while Tobirama, Hiruzen and Hashirama once or twice got their Edo body crushed completely and got regenerated again? Minato only lost two of his arms.

"Why didn't Hashirama dodge Madara's attack when he came back to life" Lol. Don't bother with this clown. He either doesn't read the manga or is an idiot.

Hashirama was bound by chakra rods and couldn't move
 

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Low diff ? Then why didn't Hashirama dodged Madaras attack when Madara came back to life? Hashirama did not react to it, but I am pretty sure Minato and Tobirama could have dodged that speed of Madara. I agree FTG can be countered if you have faster reaction speed and faster to counter back FTG users, however.. I disagree that Hashirama beats Minato low diff, at least High.

Besides, you don't know how FTG works. Minato has FTG to teleport the whole Mokuton to another place.
Minato's intelligence is on another level than Hashirama. Minato with BM is very fast + has stronger attacks. Mokuton has the power to absorb Tailed Beast strength yes, even though Minato can just teleport away.

Minato alive is much faster and he can use 100% of his power. But Hashirama being an Edo got owned by Madara alive, so the same as Minato if he was alive.

Don't try to put Tobirama here, AND don't even try to compare the one who became the Jinchuriki. Madara Jin with 1 Rinnegan would have soloed Hashirama pretty quickly. Minato had one arm, but Kishi nerfed him, same as Hiruzen and Tobirama. Hashirama only fought Madara, that's all

Did you even noticed the only who did not got regenerated was Minato, while Tobirama, Hiruzen and Hashirama once or twice got their Edo body crushed completely and got regenerated again? Minato only lost two of his arms.

BM Minato is edo minato. A completely different version of Minato who is different from Alive Minato. Hashirama beat BM Minato was well, and definitely stomps sage minato. Minato's sage mode was pathetic, as stated by Minato himself

Tobirama and Hashirama attack the Juubi jin directly multiple times. That's why their bodies were destroyed. If Minato did the same as Tobirama, he would get the same treatment

Minato teleporting Mokuton? Hashirama can make whole forest with mokuton. How much will Minato teleport? Hashirama has biju level chakra reserve. Minato doesn't.

Minato was considered fast because in NV teleportation is the same as real speed. In actual world teleportation can't be used in combat speed effectively without having superior reaction time and speed.
 

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"Why didn't Hashirama dodge Madara's attack when he came back to life" Lol. Don't bother with this clown. He either doesn't read the manga or is an idiot.

Hashirama was bound by chakra rods and couldn't move

Couldn't move? Don't worry, just listening to yourself. I mentioned Minato and Tobirama could have dodged it.

Besides, Madara had Rinnegan + Sage Mode when he countered FTG Tobirama, however Hashirama doesn't have Rinengan. Rinengan has the power to sense and react quickly, only depends on your reaction time. I doubt Hashirama would have countered Minato's attack, however I believe Hashirama could have blocked Minato's attack.
 

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Couldn't move? Don't worry, just listening to yourself. I mentioned Minato and Tobirama could have dodged it.

Not if they had chakra rods in their backs paralyzing them you clown

Besides, Madara had Rinnegan + Sage Mode when he countered FTG Tobirama, however Hashirama doesn't have Rinengan. Rinengan has the power to sense and react quickly, only depends on your reaction time. I doubt Hashirama would have countered Minato's attack, however I believe Hashirama could have blocked Minato's attack.

Rinnegan doesn't grant reaction time at all lmao. That's sage mode. Rinnegan had nothing to do with it.
 

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Ok...BUT! Full Power Minato VS Full Power Hashirama Is A Win In Minato's Favor...

Note : Full Power Minato = Minato Fused With Ma & Pa While He's In Kurama Avatar & Has Prepared Marking Around & Outside The Battlefield...
Full Power Hashirama = SM Hashirama...

Actually Prepared Minato Is The Worst Opponent To Mess With & Hashirama Ain't Stomp Him.
Lol wut? Dude did you even read what you just wrote? That isn't full powered Minato, that's just Minato with prep time and field advantage(which is probably the same thing). Minato is strong, but trying to put him on Hashi's level is stupid.

OT: Hashi med-diffs Minato
 

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He'll never get the chance to summon ma and Pa

Hashirama still beats BM minato. His BM lasts 5 minutes too. Minato hasn't shown to be able to use FTG while in Kurama avatar ( tobirama had to FTG him)
A Clone Can Do That For Him But It's Not Necessary...Prepared Marking Will Be Enough To Beat Hashi...Cause Hashi Can Only Harm BM Minato Via SS & Minato Will Warp It Into The Ocean...

@Bold Holy Crap :| Do You Understand That Tobirama Was The One Who Had FTG Mark On Obito During That Fight?
 

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Couldn't move? Don't worry, just listening to yourself. I mentioned Minato and Tobirama could have dodged it.

Besides, Madara had Rinnegan + Sage Mode when he countered FTG Tobirama, however Hashirama doesn't have Rinengan. Rinengan has the power to sense and react quickly, only depends on your reaction time. I doubt Hashirama would have countered Minato's attack, however I believe Hashirama could have blocked Minato's attack.

Are you sure you know how rinnegan works?!
 

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A Clone Can Do That For Him But It's Not Necessary...Prepared Marking Will Be Enough To Beat Hashi...Cause Hashi Can Only Harm BM Minato Via SS & Minato Will Warp It Into The Ocean...

@Bold Holy Crap :| Do You Understand That Tobirama Was The One Who Had FTG Mark On Obito During That Fight?

Bold: Having prepped markings is a different story. Without prepped markings Hashirama beats him without a doubt.
 

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BM Minato is edo minato. A completely different version of Minato who is different from Alive Minato. Hashirama beat BM Minato was well, and definitely stomps sage minato. Minato's sage mode was pathetic, as stated by Minato himself

Tobirama and Hashirama attack the Juubi jin directly multiple times. That's why their bodies were destroyed. If Minato did the same as Tobirama, he would get the same treatment

Minato teleporting Mokuton? Hashirama can make whole forest with mokuton. How much will Minato teleport? Hashirama has biju level chakra reserve. Minato doesn't.

Minato was considered fast because in NV teleportation is the same as real speed. In actual world teleportation can't be used in combat speed effectively without having superior reaction time and speed.

Nope, Edo Minato is not BM Minato, because it was stated in Wikia and Databook that Reaper Death Seal allowed Minato to use KCm which means he could have used it when he was alive. Then how did he transferred his Kurama into another person by the use of one arm? Minato was said to be a genius, so him using KCM is amazing.

Well from that, other points from you, I agree, however the fact is Minato has more feats when it comes down to intelligence + Kurama has a lot of intel about Hashirama's abilities. Of course I admit Hashirama > Minato, but seeing you guys use statement that is not actually true about Minato's real strength.
 

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Bold: Having prepped markings is a different story. Without prepped markings Hashirama beats him without a doubt.

Batman does a load of shit with prep. Minato is absolute fodder to Hashirama without prep

Hashi creates wood clone and takes a nap. He is tiers above Minato in every category
 

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Bold: Having prepped markings is a different story. Without prepped markings Hashirama beats him without a doubt.
Dude That's What I'm Talking About From The Start...With Prepared Marking Minato Wins Without It Hashi Wins.
But Other People Think Minato Stands No Chance At All...
 

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Dude That's What I'm Talking About From The Start...With Prepared Marking Minato Wins Without It Hashi Wins.
But Other People Think Minato Stands No Chance At All...

How does Minato win with Prep? Please elaborate
 

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Originally I thought this would be a load of BS, but it actually made sense, nice job.
 

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Are you sure you know how rinnegan works?!

So you are saying Sage Mode alone was able to sense Tobirama? Stop with that nonsense. Madara with no eyes soloed Naruto, Sai, Sasuke and Hashirama in seconds. Adding 1 Rinnegan eye there would shitstomp everyone.

Madara with Hashirama's Sage Mode couldn't even dodge one of the Tailed Beast arms or tails. The only thing he used Sage Mode was to fight against The Bijuus was to withstand their powers by the use of Hashirama's Sage Mode.
 

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Dude That's What I'm Talking About From The Start...With Prepared Marking Minato Wins Without It Hashi Wins.
But Other People Think Minato Stands No Chance At All...

Nah, I said Hashirama beats BM Minato with no prep with High Diff bro. :win:
 

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How does Minato win with Prep? Please elaborate

Minato's sensor abilities are his greatest asset in this fight. Hashirama's attacks constantly miss Minato, and Hashirama constantly tanks Minato's attacks.

No one will be able to catch each other until they will find a strategy to counter. You said Hashirama beats Minato in every category? Dude please, Minato's intelligence was able to counter Madara's Gudodama, and I doubt Hashirama would have figured that out.

Only haters should know that Hashirama won't beat Minato with Low or Mid, it is High.
 
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