[VS] Hiruzen vs Sasori

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Enma is made of "adamantine" so it isn't metal and the third kazekage can't control it.

Adamantine could or not be magnetic, depending on the source. Lets says that it isn't. It wouldnt matter since you still need to dodge IS anyway. If you block it, magnetic proioties gets attached with it, just how Sasori explained and how Chiyo's wooden puppets were nullified.
 

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Sasori wins the first scenario, and most likely loses the second scenario
 

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Not necessarily. Yes I agree that Hiruzen doesnt have any doujutsu, but just because he possess the Doujutsu doesnt mean he doesnt understand the workings of gentle fist. The only think the Byukugan does for gentle fist is allow the hyuuga's to clearly see the pathways of their opponent to know where to strike. Someone who already understands the chakra pathway system (like kabuto or tsunade) should have no problem being able to perform gentle fist without the byukugan, all they would need is for someone to teach them the fighting stly itself. Much like how Might Guy taught lee Strong fist, and how Fukasaku taught naruto Frog Kata. The fighting styles itself can be taught, but without sage mode in the case of Naruto with frog kata, and being able to see the chakra pathway system with byakugan for gentle fist it would be useless. For someone like Kabuto, Tsundae, and Hiruzen (who is said to have mastered every type of jutsu which would include medical ninjutsu) it would still be possible without the byakugan since they already have expert understanding of chakra pathway systems.
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So lemme get this straight, you're telling me that you believe in the hype? Because if you do then I'm not going to be taking this seriously in any way. Just a heads up.

The Aburame clan (油女一族, Aburame Ichizoku) is one of the four noble clans of Konohagakure. At birth, members of this clan are offered to a special breed of insects such as kikaichū as a nest, residing just under their host's skin. These insects will then live in symbiosis with their host from that point on. Because of this, its members are characterised by their use of insects as weapons.

So according to you hiruzen is a host of the aburame clan's bugs, despite this only being a special tradition of the aburame.

But If I really wanted to get serious then I'd just bring out the big guns.

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& I don't need to explain why hiruzen can't use anything associated with that eye, & since the leader of the clan with those eyes co-founded konoha then according to the hype, hiruzen should know things like sharingan genjutsu.

With sasori controling the iron sand, he will only be able to focus on one enemy at a time with it.

Wrong, he hit both chiyo & sakura simultaneously, I have no idea where you got this from.

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Nothing is stopping sasori from hitting multiple targets.

Hiruzen cloning himself will put a disadvantage on sasori, as 5 hiruzen's and enma's on the battle field would be too much for him to try to focus all his attention on.

Iron sand or takes care of multiple clones, & sasori can continuously spam his IS without a problem.

One of the clones will come thru his blind spot and take him down.

Unless you can show me hiruzen flying then no this isn't happening.

In the maga you could see that sasori's main focus was on sakura the whole time. The only time he focused on attacking twice at one time was when they were beside each other. Even when he uses World Method, only sakura was trapped, Chiyo was outside of in.
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So because sasori was heavily focusing on sakura that means he's now unable to focus on multiple enemies? That's not how it works. Sasori showed us that he can attack two targets at the same time, & it doesn't matter if they were beside eachother the fact that he hit two people at once means he can focus on more than one target, & since his attacks cover a wide AoE you would have to adequately explain why hiruzen & his clones wouldn't eventually get caught by even a single pellet of IS which would end their day.

And sakura was easily able to kill the 3rd kazekage by playing possum. Something Hiruzen could easily do.
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Attacking sakura with the kazekage was simply PIS, in this match sasori won't be stupid enough to let his puppet be at risk when he has an abundance of sand surrounding him.

Hiruzen mastery of Kage Bushin allows him to make a couple clones and fight like the real one.

Sasori's mastery over IS allows him to attack multiple enemies at once, clones are useless as they simply prolong the inevitable.

Doton Wall > Any and all Sasori projectiles

Go reread sasori's fight, every single IS attack was able to crush the surrounding earth & even caused a cave-in. A mere doton wall gets crushed.

Futon Blasts > Blows any posion gas away

Since IS can destroy doton with ease, fuuton gets laughed at as the IS speeds through it. Poison gas is irrelevant, never mentioned it once.

IS > Fuuton

Katon+Futon Blast > Any and all puppets

Puppets are irrelevant, sasori's power comes from his IS.

IS > Katon + fuuton

Shuriken Shadow Clone > Cuts all puppet strings off

Hiruzen isn't touching the strings that sasori is using to control the kazekage, they're in the air & he can anticipate any attacks before they reach him.

IS > shuriken

Enma > Decimates everything in Sasoris arsenal

I really don't know why I'm bothering if you believe such a thing. IS sh*ts on enma, he can only block so many projectiles.
 
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Zexion said:
His elemental jutsu get tanked by a wall of Iron Sand first off so whoever posted that picture's a fool
How am i a fool? What even makes you think that Iron Sand is protecting Sasori five powerfull elemental techniques at the same time?
 

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Hiruzen loses both scenarios.
 

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I like how polarizing this is become.
...seems to be the only way to get the quality recognition quality of underrated charas is to pit them against each other.
 

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Adamantine could or not be magnetic, depending on the source. Lets says that it isn't. It wouldnt matter since you still need to dodge IS anyway. If you block it, magnetic proioties gets attached with it, just how Sasori explained and how Chiyo's wooden puppets were nullified.

Yes but that was because the puppets had crevices my man, Sakura blocked it just fine... A pole probably wont be magnetized by it
 

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How am i a fool? What even makes you think that Iron Sand is protecting Sasori five powerfull elemental techniques at the same time?

One it doesn't even have to as his attacks are faster

Two, its never shown to be weak to anything, and those jutsu weren't particularly fast, what makes you think it won't they're merely burst of the respective elements.
 

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How so? Again this didn't happen to Sakura?

I dont understand your point. All encounters with IS has been null. Only time Sakura got hit was with IS world. And Sasori assumed Sakura would be dead.
 

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I dont understand your point. All encounters with IS has been null. Only time Sakura got hit was with IS world. And Sasori assumed Sakura would be dead.

Sasori can't magnetize it onto another object, his control of the jutsu is too crude

He still wins i'm merely saying this strategy has never been proven U_U
 

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Sasori can't magnetize it onto another object, his control of the jutsu is too crude

He still wins i'm merely saying this strategy has never been proven U_U

That didn't disprove anything (we argue this alot in the past). The Iron was completely solid, and none of it was attached to Sakura's glove.
 

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That didn't disprove anything (we argue this alot in the past). The Iron was completely solid, and none of it was attached to Sakura's glove.

I know it wasn't attached to the glove that's what i'm saying? If sasori had the chakra control to shift IS onto objects after they block the attacks he would of done it there, all of his attacks are completely solid my man he doesn't use the IS in a fluid ( Not literally) State so theres literally no way he can magnetize objects by placing IS on them... He's never shown to have the chakra control. Theres a reason he didn't use the puppets the IS stuck in the crevice for his own devices. He clogs the joints but can't manipulate them and he can't immobilize something with nothing to clog?
 

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I know it wasn't attached to the glove that's what i'm saying? If sasori had the chakra control to shift IS onto objects after they block the attacks he would of done it there,

No, it only works when the attack landed like every scenario when IS attached to something.

all of his attacks are completely solid my man he doesn't use the IS in a fluid ( Not literally) State so theres literally no way he can magnetize objects by placing IS on them...

They are solid but they also have to directly land on the attack for sand to be attached.

He's never shown to have the chakra control. Theres a reason he didn't use the puppets the IS stuck in the crevice for his own devices. He clogs the joints but can't manipulate them and he can't immobilize something with nothing to clog?

He already had the chakra control to retrieve them back or have them stay. Theres literally nothing from stopping him from doing that. Your example doesn't disprove anything as Sasori found no use of control the puppets he attached sand to.
 

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Hiruzen wrecks with medium difficulties.

Enma used in a sweeping motion crushes all puppets into woodchucks.
All his puppets are just fire wood for his large AoE Katon and when he combines Futon with it too its over.
Puppets are fodder and non-factor.
Propulsion of Enma staff through his chest.
GG

This.
 
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