Blind Madara vs Hashirama

[Apêx1]

Hashirama mid-high diffs.

 

[VongolaX]

So if Madara can absorb his ninjustu, he still loses?

 

[Benjamin King]

Blind Madara low-mid diff.

-Has every access to Hashirama's arsenal, since now he has Senjutsu to access to Shinsuusenju.

-He has his own Chakra and Hashirama's Chakra together, which means produces stronger Mokuton; as proven when Madara used Jukai Koutan, Naruto needed multiple Odama Rasengan enhanced by Kurama's Chakra to destroy them; whereas Hashirama using Jukai Koutan was getting wrecked by the likes of Hiruzen. Stronger Chakra means stronger Shinsuusenju.

-Hashirama's Mokuton is useless to Ninjutsu absorption, as databook describes Madara's ability to absorb Chakra running through Jutsu, and Hashirama's Chakra flows within his Mokuton construction; it results to the Chakra being absorbed, Mokuton becomes lifeless.

-Still has his Susanoo variants and PS, including his old techniques.

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[shelke]

What about the paralysis Madara introduced for Hashirama just by making a seal? If he paralyzes him early on, he takes this fight.

 

[VongolaX]

What about the paralysis Madara introduced for Hashirama just by making a seal? If he paralyzes him early on, he takes this fight.

That's what I thought...

All that hype about obtaining both uchiha and senju powers and he gets shot down by everybody.

 

[shelke]

That's what I thought...

All that hype about obtaining both uchiha and senju powers and he gets shot down by everybody.

Yeah, I don't know why everyone is ignoring that point.

 

[VongolaX]

Yeah, I don't know why everyone is ignoring that point.

I'll wait for some valid explanation soon

 

[shelke]

I'll wait for some valid explanation soon

Same here, let's see. When we saw that as they started clashing rods started appearing behind Hashirama's back. I don't think he can last at all if Madara paralyzes him.

 

[Draphsin]

What about the paralysis Madara introduced for Hashirama just by making a seal? If he paralyzes him early on, he takes this fight.

Hashi was already covered in chakra rods. [

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OT: Hashi wins because madara doesn't have much senjutsu chakra, so if it comes down to a battle b/t SS then hashi will eventually win.

Alive madara with a rinnegan low diffs though

 

[VongolaX]

Can he still pull a meteor from the sky?

 

[Draphsin]

Can he still pull a meteor from the sky?

I think he needs the rinnegan for that.

 

[VongolaX]

I think he needs the rinnegan for that.

Wait, so he can use Susanoo without his eyes but he needs a rinnegan to use the meteor?

Wasn't Edo Madara's eyes a fake rinnegan?

So doesn't that mean he never had the rinnegan at all?

 

[shelke]

Hashi was already covered in chakra rods. [

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OT: Hashi wins because madara doesn't have much senjutsu chakra, so if it comes down to a battle b/t SS then hashi will eventually win.

Alive madara with a rinnegan low diffs though

That is not what I was talking about. He took out the Rod here:

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and tried to stab him with it later:

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By the time he appears again, he is covered with black rods:

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. He must have stabbed him, resulting in that. If he paralyzes him after that. It's over for Hashirama.

 

[Demonic.]

That is not what I was talking about. He took out the Rod here:

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and tried to stab him with it later:

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By the time he appears again, he is covered with black rods:

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. He must have stabbed him, resulting in that. If he paralyzes him after that. It's over for Hashirama.

Bruh.....versus matches are supposed to start fresh.

For Minato vs Obito matches, you don't say Obito loses because he already has been marked by Minato.

 

[KingHashirama]

That was obviously a massive retcon involved with that since we never actually saw it. Sorry. Lol

Retcon : revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.


Now do let me know where it was retconed.

 

[shelke]

Bruh.....versus matches are supposed to start fresh.

For Minato vs Obito matches, you don't say Obito loses because he already has been marked by Minato.

Not my point. I said that he can use the rod in this match too. I didn't say Hashirama starts off in that state. I said he can be stabbed and paralyzed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not my point. I said that he can use the rod in this match too. I didn't say Hashirama starts off in that state. I said he can be stabbed and paralyzed.

Rods are pointless, unless Black Zetsu is gonna help Madara comeback to full power again.

 

[Demonic.]

Not my point. I said that he can use the rod in this match too. I didn't say Hashirama starts off in that state. I said he can be stabbed and paralyzed.

Just because he has block rods (can he even make them without the Rinnegan) doesn't mean Hashirama is going to lose via black rods.

Madara is blind and has to rely on sensing, so he won't even be able to tell which Hashirama is real among wood clones. It's an uphill battle for him.

 

[shelke]

Rods are pointless, unless Black Zetsu is gonna help Madara comeback to full power again.

Just because he has block rods (can he even make them without the Rinnegan) doesn't mean Hashirama is going to lose via black rods.

Madara is blind and has to rely on sensing, so he won't even be able to tell which Hashirama is real among wood clones. It's an uphill battle for him.

Look at those scans, both of you. Madara's Rinnegan is fake to begin with. He used the rods and paralyzed him before he even sucked Hashirama's Senjutsu:

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Hashirama is shown panting, and doesn't even have the strength to stand up with he's an edo:

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That is why I made that argument.

 

[KingHashirama]

Look at those scans, both of you. Madara's Rinnegan is fake to begin with. He used the rods and paralyzed him before he even sucked Hashirama's Senjutsu:

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Hashirama is shown panting, and doesn't even have the strength to stand up with he's an edo:

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That is why I made that argument.

yea because Hashirama couldn't mold any new chakra, while Madara could, but despite that he was still overwhelmed by Hashirama. And the rods are connected to Madara's chakra, thats why he can absorb it.

He was able to paralyze Hashirama because Hashirama had hardly any chakra left. While Madara was restored back to fully revived form.

Madara can't control a full powered Hashirama via the rods. Thats what i'm trying to say.