[VS] 7G Gai vs Tsunade&Sakura

[RedRobin]

Yes, continue to copy/paste invalid points that imply Katsuyu's durability being way beyond a V3 susano'o because you aren't capable of backing them up with logical reason. Were not laughing at you.

They are invalid because Gai needs to beat Tsunade in your mind. If Gai loses to Tsunade he is apparently very weak. You should have just said that instead.

 

[Airbear]

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[KidGamer65]

Now she obviously cannot tank all physical attacks but this hype is not featless as any attacks at the level of ST are tanked. Katsuyu tanked ST with no damage. Hirudora is on ST's level and since the DB wants to be specific about physical attacks then yes Hirudora is tanked.

Before you try to downgrade ST.

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It simply didnt push everything, it decimated everything, look at the circle of nothingness as it works its way farther. And it even creates a giant crater, two different craters. The last page shows the ground level where Konoha used to be and then you can really see how big of a crater it made.

And to further prove my point that Katsuyu's body is very durable.

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Just the 4 tails.

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Tiny Katsuyu survived the chakra of the 6 tails.

She received no damage from ST, her hype is shown to be true to things on that level. Hirudora is not above ST. Its not hard. ST pushed a crater in Konoha, look at the last image of ST's damage, you can see the ground level at which Konoka used to be. More than enough evidence to show you how durable Katsuyu is.

Nope, nope and nope.

1. Chou Shinra Tensei is a widespread attack, thus the smaller the target, the less damage taken by the target, and vice versa. Easily explained by pressure, and the experiment where people lay on a bed of nails, but they don't get punctured, but if you were to lay on one nail, it'd obviously pierce your body. The bed has more surface area than the single nail, so despite the fact that a bed of nails>>>>>1 nail, the latter will pierce. Once again, same concept here. Due to the widespread qualities of the jutsu, and the fact that Katsuyu (at the time) was human sized, tanking it is not a feat.

2. Everything at the epicenter was obliterated without a trace, farther outwards, people survived, some with Katsuyu, some with no protection. (Tsunade and Fodder Anbu) Unless you want to admit that Fodder Anbu=Tsunade=Mini Katsuyu when it comes to durability, then there is no feat here to talk about, at least, not one that'd let her tank Hirudora, which is weaker than CST, but not as widespread.

3. DB being specific about physical attacks doesn't change the fact that using blatant hyperbole as evidence isn't gonna fly. No logical hype or feat puts Katsuyu in the same tier of durability as V3 Susanoo, aside from the ridiculous hype of it tanking all physical attacks.

4. Kyuubi Naruto's Corrosive Chakra's best feat is burning up Orochimaru's snakes. Ribcage Susanoo>>>>>>Orochimaru's Snakes when it comes to durability. Using that as evidence for Katsuyu tanking something that raped a V3 isn't gonna help your case.

You have tanking Shinra Tensei and tanking Corrosive Chakra as a feat, but the former didn't even kill Anbu w/ no protection, and the latter's best feat is burning up some generic snakes. How is Katsuyu more durable than v3 Susanoo again?

Lol

 

[Haizaki]

You're looking at the range of the attack. I might as well talk about this

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Madara's V3 took that and it would have finished them if not for the cloak as Hinata and Choji said they were protected by it. Look at them still even with the cloak and yet they are all over the place as Madara is left surprised thinking they'd be finished

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....Tenpechi>>ST's Range

 

[Haizaki]

Kisame with water pressure

You keep leaving that part out Evani.

How in the world is that saving Katsuyu? Lol.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

They are invalid because Gai needs to beat Tsunade in your mind. If Gai loses to Tsunade he is apparently very weak. You should have just said that instead.

They're invalid because the manga fortunately doesn't support your delusions and horribly illogical reasoning. But to each is own, I suppose.

 

[RedRobin]

How in the world is that saving Katsuyu? Lol.

What happened to all the arguments about Katsuyu being water?

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Gai neg diffs this

 

[Haizaki]

What happened to all the arguments about Katsuyu being water?

Lol man I'm so lost and how is she being water going to save her from such? Smh Katsuyu gets destroyed by it. Kisame's sharks, GSB were created via water and still got destroyed by it, nothing is going to save her. Katsuyu is just far more durable but she still gets killed. Not to mention Katsuyu is not entirely water making things worse considering she'd be taking the attack head on.

Not to mention you basically contradicted yourself considering you said Naruto's chakra burns and yet didn't turn water into Vapor Lol. Why then wasn't Naruto's skin burned if he's chakra was corrosive when Katsuyu was on him? Lol.

 

[TheTailedSage]

The bottom line is this

With enough velocity and power it is obviously possible to tear limbs completely off their hinges. Now of course Gai having knowledge of Byakugo will end up resorting to targeting limbs. He has the speed capable of bypassing their hyped reflexes and kicking their head right off their shoulders.

Someone who's able to push back Madara with Hermit prowess is more than capable of reacting faster than someone with inferior reaction time and reflexes as well as durability.

I dont se why Hirouda is necessary since Gai is more than capable of moving after the attack as we saw his lenient nature after battering Kisame with Hirouda.

Mid high diff for Gai due to the strain of Gates

If Katsuya gets involved (Which a lot of you are putting all your chips on) Then i have no reason to believe that even she is able to react to Gai in Gates. Hiding inside katsuya isn't a very wise course of action since with his power, he would easily be able to tear past Katsuyas soggy water based flesh.

 

[RedRobin]

Lol man I'm so lost and how is she being water going to save her from such? Smh Katsuyu gets destroyed by it. Kisame's sharks, GSB were created via water and still got destroyed by it, nothing is going to save her. Katsuyu is just far more durable but she still gets killed. Not to mention Katsuyu is not entirely water making things worse considering she'd be taking the attack head on.

Not to mention you basically contradicted yourself considering you said Naruto's chakra burns and yet didn't turn water into Vapor Lol. Why then wasn't Naruto's skin burned if he's chakra was corrosive when Katsuyu was on him? Lol.

That was joke since everyone loves to point how Katsuyu is just water so raiton takes care of her. But thanks for agreeing that she isnt just water. Her body is just a tank, there is nothing to destroy unless you absorb her chakra. I dont think you realize that. The substance that makes Katsuyu is beyond powerful.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Gai would rip through Katsuya similar to dragon fist. The concept is the same. HE has to power and speed to do so.

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[RedRobin]

Nope, nope and nope.

1. Chou Shinra Tensei is a widespread attack, thus the smaller the target, the less damage taken by the target, and vice versa. Easily explained by pressure, and the experiment where people lay on a bed of nails, but they don't get punctured, but if you were to lay on one nail, it'd obviously pierce your body. The bed has more surface area than the single nail, so despite the fact that a bed of nails>>>>>1 nail, the latter will pierce. Once again, same concept here. Due to the widespread qualities of the jutsu, and the fact that Katsuyu (at the time) was human sized, tanking it is not a feat.

2. Everything at the epicenter was obliterated without a trace, farther outwards, people survived, some with Katsuyu, some with no protection. (Tsunade and Fodder Anbu) Unless you want to admit that Fodder Anbu=Tsunade=Mini Katsuyu when it comes to durability, then there is no feat here to talk about, at least, not one that'd let her tank Hirudora, which is weaker than CST, but not as widespread.

3. DB being specific about physical attacks doesn't change the fact that using blatant hyperbole as evidence isn't gonna fly. No logical hype or feat puts Katsuyu in the same tier of durability as V3 Susanoo, aside from the ridiculous hype of it tanking all physical attacks.

4. Kyuubi Naruto's Corrosive Chakra's best feat is burning up Orochimaru's snakes. Ribcage Susanoo>>>>>>Orochimaru's Snakes when it comes to durability. Using that as evidence for Katsuyu tanking something that raped a V3 isn't gonna help your case.

You have tanking Shinra Tensei and tanking Corrosive Chakra as a feat, but the former didn't even kill Anbu w/ no protection, and the latter's best feat is burning up some generic snakes. How is Katsuyu more durable than v3 Susanoo again?

Lol

You still dont get it. ST does more damage than Hirudora in any case. It ate into the ground making a huge crater. It decimated everything. Its not just widespread, its power goes into the epicenter and and rips into it. Tsunade was farthest from the epicenter, while Katsuyu was all over the battlefield. Taking a look at all the people who survive Katsuyu was with them[

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The corrosive chakra was put in to show you how durable her body is. She should have been melted away but even her tiny part survive. The substance that makes Katsuyu is very strong.

Susano is a hard substance, Katsuyu is like a sponge that absorbs hits. I dont even understand how you compare the two.

 

[KidGamer65]

You still dont get it. ST does more damage than Hirudora in any case. It ate into the ground making a huge crater. It decimated everything. Its not just widespread, its power goes into the epicenter and and rips into it. Tsunade was farthest from the epicenter, while Katsuyu was all over the battlefield. Taking a look at all the people who survive Katsuyu was with them[1][2].

No, you are the one who obviously doesn't get it.

This is literally just a repeat of everything you already stated. Manga evidence (Haizaki's post) and real life evidence (the bed of nails experiment) prove that the more widespread an attack is, the less damage smaller targets take. That is a fact, not debatable. Katsuyu is minuscule compared to the total AoE of Shinra Tensei, so it's not going to take anywhere near the full brunt of the attack, nowhere near. Same reason why, Tenpenchii, an attack much stronger than Hirudora, was tanked by Madara's Susanoo, yet Gai raped it with a weaker attack. Not sure why you are mentioning the bold, as if it somehow changes anything stated.

Katsuyu being "all over the battlefield" is irrelevant, as we saw the area where everything was obliterated, and there is no Katsuyu there, and then we see the area where everything wasn't obliterated, and Katsuyu is there. Meaning if Katsuyu or anyone was in the epicenter of the blast, they were obliterated.

The corrosive chakra was put in to show you how durable her body is. She should have been melted away but even her tiny part survive. The substance that makes Katsuyu is very strong.

Which is once again, irrelevant since Corrosive Chakra is leagues below what we are debating about here.

Susano is a hard substance, Katsuyu is like a sponge that absorbs hits. I dont even understand how you compare the two.

Katsuyu being made of different stuff doesn't automatically mean that she can take more than Susanoo can. Can a giant sponge take a Bijuu Dama? I know Susanoo at it's best can. Not to mention there is nothing in the manga or databook that compares Katsuyu to a sponge that absorbs hits.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Katsuyu being made of different stuff doesn't automatically mean that she can take more than Susanoo can. Can a giant sponge take a Bijuu Dama? I know Susanoo at it's best can. Not to mention there is nothing in the manga or databook that compares Katsuyu to a sponge that absorbs hits.

To add, Katsuyas body i smade for adsorbing impact based attacks. Susano'o is capable of defending against any type of damage, not just Susano'o. You can tell by the texture and shape of a slug that she can tank impact based jutsu. Physical jutsu capable or ripping through objects is something Katsuya isn't able to defend against

But you already know this right

 

[KidGamer65]

To add, Katsuyas body i smade for adsorbing impact based attacks. Susano'o is capable of defending against any type of damage, not just Susano'o. You can tell by the texture and shape of a slug that she can tank impact based jutsu. Physical jutsu capable or ripping through objects is something Katsuya isn't able to defend against

But you already know this right

Yup, but even then, slugs in real life can be crushed IIRC. A strong enough blunt force attack shouldn't take Katsuyu out.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Yup, but even then, slugs in real life can be crushed IIRC. A strong enough blunt force attack shouldn't take Katsuyu out.

In order for her to be crushed, something larger than her body, with enough force, has to be applied onto her body.

Dont know if this has been mentioned or if its even relevant to what your discussing but Hiroudas tiger properties should definitely be enough to "rip" through Katsuya for the simple fact that the punch is designed to do so. Condensed air "rips" through objects so thats one thing Katsuya can fend off against.

Literally Katsuya isn't really helping Tsunade and Sakuras situation since Gai himself can easily rip through Katsuyas body like butter

 

[KidGamer65]

In order for her to be crushed, something larger than her body, with enough force, has to be applied onto her body.

Dont know if this has been mentioned or if its even relevant to what your discussing but Hiroudas tiger properties should definitely be enough to "rip" through Katsuya for the simple fact that the punch is designed to do so. Condensed air "rips" through objects so thats one thing Katsuya can fend off against.

Literally Katsuya isn't really helping Tsunade and Sakuras situation since Gai himself can easily rip through Katsuyas body like butter

Yup, agreed.

 

[RedRobin]

No, you are the one who obviously doesn't get it.

This is literally just a repeat of everything you already stated. Manga evidence (Haizaki's post) and real life evidence (the bed of nails experiment) prove that the more widespread an attack is, the less damage smaller targets take. That is a fact, not debatable. Katsuyu is minuscule compared to the total AoE of Shinra Tensei, so it's not going to take anywhere near the full brunt of the attack, nowhere near. Same reason why, Tenpenchii, an attack much stronger than Hirudora, was tanked by Madara's Susanoo, yet Gai raped it with a weaker attack. Not sure why you are mentioning the bold, as if it somehow changes anything stated.

Katsuyu being "all over the battlefield" is irrelevant, as we saw the area where everything was obliterated, and there is no Katsuyu there, and then we see the area where everything wasn't obliterated, and Katsuyu is there. Meaning if Katsuyu or anyone was in the epicenter of the blast, they were obliterated.


Which is once again, irrelevant since Corrosive Chakra is leagues below what we are debating about here.



Katsuyu being made of different stuff doesn't automatically mean that she can take more than Susanoo can. Can a giant sponge take a Bijuu Dama? I know Susanoo at it's best can. Not to mention there is nothing in the manga or databook that compares Katsuyu to a sponge that absorbs hits.

Tenpachi is so much more different than ST or Hirudora. ST and Hirduora focus a lot of power in one place. Yes I already showed you ST focuses its power into the epicenter and eats right into the ground decimating everything near. If Hirudora hit into the ground wouldnt at all make as much damage as ST or even eat into the ground as much. She took no damage at all, this only shows her hype in the databook is not just hype.

Kastuyu was all over the damaged areas which where very close to the epicenter, she absorbed people and saved them. Taking no damage herself.

Its different kind of damage. Decomposing something is different from physical attack but I was just pointing out again to show you what her substance is able to survive.

Have you ever touched a slug, its squishy like a sponge, its clear she absorbs physical hits due to her body being that substance. Again comparing susano to Katsuyu is not doing nothing for you, Susano is hard everywhere, there is nothing hard about Katsuyu, she doesnt even have bones.

So saying Hiurdora destroys her because it destroyed V3 is a bad argument. TBB is not even a physical attack though.

 

[RedRobin]

In order for her to be crushed, something larger than her body, with enough force, has to be applied onto her body.

Dont know if this has been mentioned or if its even relevant to what your discussing but Hiroudas tiger properties should definitely be enough to "rip" through Katsuya for the simple fact that the punch is designed to do so. Condensed air "rips" through objects so thats one thing Katsuya can fend off against.

Literally Katsuya isn't really helping Tsunade and Sakuras situation since Gai himself can easily rip through Katsuyas body like butter

LOL Not happening.