Shameful retcon

[Punk Hazard]

Naruto was able to do it because he was born with the potential to. If he chose to slack off then yea, he wouldn't have fulfilled the prophecy. But there isn't anyone who could have taken Naruto's place there. Hashirama was Ashura's transmigrant as well, but he wouldn't have been able to fulfill the prophecy.

Neji was born a genius, and as a result he was able to master techniques of the Main family by himself.

Lee was born without any talent for ninjutsu or genjutsu, and as a result he was unable to improve those skills no matter how hard he worked.

Indra was born a natural genius, and as a result he achieved immense power on his own.

I could go on.

How is Neji wrong here? These examples lean more towards Neji's words, that people are born the way they are and that's how it is.
Naruto's words were that a person can completely change who they are if they work hard enough. In Part 1 it was one thing, because we didn't know Naruto was some special Chosen One type person. But in Part 2 it is dropped when Naruto is revealed as such. It shows that he was simply born with the potential to do it, not that he is actually changing what he is.

You're bending Neji's words terribly to fit your narrative. Neji said a person who was born a loser will always be a loser, no matter what; a person who was a born a genius will always excel, no matter what.

Neji was wrong because losers can excel, and geniuses can fail. For example, Gai said Lee was completely hopeless when he met him. He had no talent for ninjutsu, genjutsu or taijutsu. Because it was physically impossible for Lee to use ninjutsu and genjutsu, they focused on Taijutsu and Lee changed. He was born a loser, and he excelled. No one can change what is physically impossible(within context of the manga), so the fact that Lee cannot change his lack of nin and gen skills is a non-factor.

Then, in part 2 of all parts, you have a great example of a genius who failed because he stopped working hard. Hanzo. It was stated Hanzo was an extremely powerful man, but because he stopped training, his power decreased dramatically and that led to his downfall. In part 2 this happened. That alone nullifies this BS about Kishi retconning the idea that destiny can be changed if you want and that hard work is important.

I see you still don't understand the concept of prophecies. I'm not gonna waste time talking about that again.

Naruto doesn't give 2 cents about people who talk about destiny

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Becomes part of destiny himself

The retcon is in the theme. Destiny doesn't matter in part 1. It matters a lot in part 2

Good night. Im done for today

Naruto dislikes people whining about destiny. You whine about things you don't like, that are unfavorable. People whine about something they can't change. That pic just comes right back to Naruto disliking the idea you can't change destiny if you don't like it.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

Mehn you make zero sence

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It didn't because saving the world is another effect of protecting and saving the people.

Not really.

Not exactly. It's actually objective. All of them wanted to protect the people and their future but through different means.

When one achieves a certain goal, he gets another one. Destiny or any similar charade doesn't have anything to do with it.

It's a side-effect, nothing more. For the sake of complaining.

A Hokage protects people. Even villains wanted to do that.

No, it's not. Protecting one's people is the main reason why the ninja world went to war 3 times. It's the main reason behind the warring states period. Protecting the world is different.

Yes. You are.

No it's subjective. Objective means it's unbiased, subjective means it's based on opinion. Which is true based on what I already stated. That's why you're saying things like "their", since it's based on "their" opinion.

But sasuke didn't recognize naruto until chapter 699. His goal already changed before that.

No its not. It's two different goals.

They wanted to protect THEIR people. Not the world.

Naruto's original goal: gaining recognition through power and titles.
Naruto's new goal in alignment with his destiny: saving the world.

Two different goals that don't correlate. Especially since he completed the layer goal (savings the world) before he completed the former (becoming hokage). Destiny comes first, so change your goals to align with it.

 

[Romy9]

No, it's not. Protecting one's people is the main reason why the ninja world went to war 3 times. It's the main reason behind the warring states period. Protecting the world is different.

Yes. You are.

No it's subjective. Objective means it's unbiased, subjective means it's based on opinion. Which is true based on what I already stated. That's why you're saying things like "their", since it's based on "their" opinion.

But sasuke didn't recognize naruto until chapter 699. His goal already changed before that.

No its not. It's two different goals.

They wanted to protect THEIR people. Not the world.

Naruto's original goal: gaining recognition through power and titles.
Naruto's new goal in alignment with his destiny: saving the world.

Two different goals that don't correlate. Especially since he completed the layer goal (savings the world) before he completed the former (becoming hokage). Destiny comes first, so change your goals to align with it.

Yes, that's why Naruto prevailed in the end. >.>

Nah.

Objective means plural in opinion.

It didn't. His goal wasn't to save the world. He did what felt right. Which is saving the world. Common sense.

This is actually nitpicking. When one becomes mature with age, his goals from childhood expand because the point of view of life broadens.

The world was united. Everybody was everybody's people. A prime example of how selectively you read the manga. Or you simply don't understand that concept.

Destiny doesn't have anything to do with what he wanted.

They don't have to correlate. Saving the world wasn't his main goal. It was the right thing to do. Besides, if he didn't save the world, all other/previous goals couldn't come to fruitition. Destiny is non-existent in his character which never changed. It just matured.

 

[Kagustuchi]

What are you talking about? The prophecy was that Naruto would bring peace to the world. So he was destined to stop the rivalry.

"I finally... acknowledged you... If I die now, The destiny that according to the Hermit has bound us so far will end too."

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[shelke]

I cannot see how OP is wrong.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I cannot see how OP is wrong.

Some people are acting as if Im lying. Why would I waste my time on lying about a single manga? I dont carry any propaganda against Naruto

In the OP i shared the scans which reflect the ethics and theme of part 1, which has been retconned in part 2. It's not Naruto's fault he's chosen by fate, I am not bashing Naruto here

 

[MAN OF SIN]

"I finally... acknowledged you... If I die now, The destiny that according to the Hermit has bound us so far will end too."

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There was no prophecy that the stupid sibing war would never end though. The opposite really.=/

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[paratise]

Naruto saying he does not give a damn about Konohamaru being hokage's grandchild:

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Then Naruto went " i am 4th hokage's son" over Obito, i can not recall the chap and page though.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Naruto saying he does not give a damn about Konohamaru being hokage's grandchild:

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Then Naruto went " i am 4th hokage's son" over Obito, i can not recall the chap and page though.

LOL. Part 1 and Part 2 seem like 2 different manga. Also there's the hiruzen retcon Lol

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto saying he does not give a damn about Konohamaru being hokage's grandchild:

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Then Naruto went " i am 4th hokage's son" over Obito, i can not recall the chap and page though.

The context in which he said "I'm the 4th's son" is different.

LOL. Part 1 and Part 2 seem like 2 different manga. Also there's the hiruzen retcon Lol

You still haven't answered my question

Can you tell me the theme of part 1 and part 2 in 3 words or less?

Because saying stupid things like " it (Part 1 and Part 2) seems like 2 different manga" is making your credibility drop.

I'm starting to think you don't understand the story along with your inability to cope with the fact that a "retcon" exists in Naruto.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yes, that's why Naruto prevailed in the end. >.>

Nah.

Objective means plural in opinion.

It didn't. His goal wasn't to save the world. He did what felt right. Which is saving the world. Common sense.

This is actually nitpicking. When one becomes mature with age, his goals from childhood expand because the point of view of life broadens.

The world was united. Everybody was everybody's people. A prime example of how selectively you read the manga. Or you simply don't understand that concept.

Destiny doesn't have anything to do with what he wanted.

They don't have to correlate. Saving the world wasn't his main goal. It was the right thing to do. Besides, if he didn't save the world, all other/previous goals couldn't come to fruitition. Destiny is non-existent in his character which never changed. It just matured.

Naruto prevailed because he shifted from gaining recognition(the goal) to saving the world (The destiny)

Yeah. You are. I don't understand what's so complicated about changing goals. The only reason why you're griping is because his change in goals is synonymous to his destiny.

ob·jec·tive
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adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"

sub·jec·tive
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adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"

Please learn the difference.
Obito's view, Itachi's view, naruto's view your view etc is subjective. Not objective.

So you're admitting to him changing his goals. The cause or reason is irrelevant. Just you're pointless justifications trying to cling on to somthing that's not there.

The world wasn't united, that's farthest from the truth. A kage's "people" refers to those exclusively in their village.

Destiny had everything to do with it.


Saving the world was his main goal tho...

 

[Joseph Gomes]

The context in which he said "I'm the 4th's son" is different.



You still haven't answered my question

Can you tell me the theme of part 1 and part 2 in 3 words or less?

Because saying stupid things like " it (Part 1 and Part 2) seems like 2 different manga" is making your credibility drop.

I'm starting to think you don't understand the story along with your inability to cope with the fact that a "retcon" exists in Naruto.

My credibility has dropped because you think so? Lol

There are always Narutards who deliberate choose to ignore the flaws in the manga, then they blame others for having poor comprehension. Just like religious fanatics bash atheists. Naruto is their bible

 

[To Whatever]

My credibility has dropped because you think so? Lol

There are always Narutards who deliberate choose to ignore the flaws in the manga, then they blame others for having poor comprehension. Just like religious fanatics bash atheists. Naruto is their bible

I'm not ignoring the flaws in the manga. You've just been *****ing about a small recton. Which is why I told you to stay away from DC and Marvel comics.

Because if you can't handle something as derisory as this. You're going to blow a ****ing gasket if you see all the rectons they have and how they do it.

You do have poor comprehension if you don't understand where Riker's coming from.

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Okay, now I know you're a bigot


P.S. Still haven't answered my question. Tell me what the theme of Part 1 and Part 2 in 2-3 words or less.

 

[Romy9]

Naruto prevailed because he shifted from gaining recognition(the goal) to saving the world (The destiny)

Yeah. You are. I don't understand what's so complicated about changing goals. The only reason why you're griping is because his change in goals is synonymous to his destiny.

ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"

sub·jec·tive
səbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"

Please learn the difference.
Obito's view, Itachi's view, naruto's view your view etc is subjective. Not objective.

So you're admitting to him changing his goals. The cause or reason is irrelevant. Just you're pointless justifications trying to cling on to somthing that's not there.

The world wasn't united, that's farthest from the truth. A kage's "people" refers to those exclusively in their village.

Destiny had everything to do with it.


Saving the world was his main goal tho...

No, he didn't. He prevailed because the very concept of manga is that unity and love will always defeat solitude and authority of power. I'm starting to see why you don't understand a single thing I'm posting.

Nothing is complicated. It's actually very simple. "Destiny" charade doesn't have anything to do with Naruto's character and his progression throughout the entire story.

The difference is learned and bias isn't present here, that's what you can't seem to grasp. What the issue here is the failed interpretation of the part of the story from your point of view.

Subjective in means to attain a goal. The very goal is peace and protection of the people. The difference between these two points is apparent.

I'm not clinging onto anything. I'm trying to elaborate your failed comprehension of Naruto's character.

Sure it was. They all had the same headband and the 5 Kage were leaders to the whole Shinobi world just like a single Kage is a leader to a single village. Yet another failed misconception.

It had nothing to do with his goals. If anything, it had to do with the fact that he was a transmigrant.

It wasn't. It was a sensible thing to do. It was also a logical thing to do in order to get to the goal of becoming a Hokage.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Some people are acting as if Im lying. Why would I waste my time on lying about a single manga? I dont carry any propaganda against Naruto

In the OP i shared the scans which reflect the ethics and theme of part 1, which has been retconned in part 2. It's not Naruto's fault he's chosen by fate, I am not bashing Naruto here

You're not lying, just incorrect.