[Discussion] Byakuya vs Ukitake&Shunsui

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I put lol cuz it's funny...an no barrgan would mostlikely die in a fight with ulquiorra..top 4 espada>yammy lol no we all know halibel would die fast against yammy,yammy cero should be able to land if soi fon missile got that close to barrgan but barrgan won't survive yammy cero,starkk abilities are weak so I'm not going to worry about him really he has to land 1000 thousand attacks inorder to take down yammy which he won't do,ulquiorra has a good chane at betig yammy thoe they are both very powerful physically,but even yammy called ulquiorra trash.

Did you just say starkk ceros are powerful wow when starkk him self said his cero can't even take down love an rose an had to resort to his wolves which Also took for ever to take them out lol ok ok his attacks sure are strong alright.

Lol kubo had no real way for zaraki an Byakuya to beat yammy that's why the whole thing was off panel,but it also says zaraki an Byakuya >>ukitake an kyoraku at that moment,they did go all out an use their full power to beat yammy thoe...if kyoraku or ukitake would have used bankai then yea they would have beat starkk but in their shikai forms no just no.
Starkks ceros are powerful, love and rose are also tough because they were hollowfied. His wolves>>>>>>yammy cero
Kyoraku and ukitake in shikai> Byakuya and zaraki in HM arc including byakuyas bankai. If Kyoraku and ukitake cant beat starkk in shikai but byakuya and zaraki can beat yammy at all, then yammy<starkk. you just soloed yourself.
 

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No he was going to use it he had no choice he won't joking around so what you talking about? He could not get close to starkk unless he had help,starkk cero don't have to hurt him the whole point is tht kyoraku had no way to get close to him,an his cero will hurt kyoraku if he keeps getting hit by them if they did not hurt then he would just run threw them an not worry bout getting hit...no matter how you put it yammy was stronger but yea starkk was strong aswell.

Yea they were trying espacially kyoraku he tried to kill starkk foreal when he was arguing with his gun right arter he did his release an when starkk was focused on ukitake kyoraku tried to cut his head off,they weren't playing around they just could not hit starkk while he was useing his cero guns.

An yea he killed starkk thanks to that sneak attack that got rid of Starks wolves Stark could not use his real power in their final battle.

Well yea he actually got hit but Byakuya did not an the only reason he cut OMQ was cuz Yama raised his spirit by entering the battle,an the fact he did not beat OMQ yet even after Yama delt with fake Bach also says alot about kyoraku strenght...an omq won't even using vollstanding anymore an kyoraku still could not beat him smh.

Lol the funny thing is,is that the fight was not finished cuz they were still fighting...anyway Yama was not serious about killing thoes two as he was about killing the Quincy if so they would no longer be around an, if they fight would have dragged on Yama would have eventually won.
Exactly... Kyouraku obviously knew he was in the dis-advantage so when he went in for his slashes they killing blows for sure but not filled with killing intent. Do you understand? Kyouraku was trying to close the gap not kill him because going straight for the kill wouldn't work. Shunsui got very serious once he understood all of Starks powers and knew there was nothing left for him to pull while Kyouraku still hadn't revealed all of his shikai powers.

Stark also got a cheap shot on Shunsui.... So I don't know where that one was going.

The same could be same for Stark.... Stark never once got a hit on Kyouraku unless he got distracted. It works both ways and Stark had the advantage of safety from a distance.

Yama raising his reiatsu does not mean it is a power up for Kyouraku.... Kyouraku had the ability to do that the whole time its just that he got a little more serious, and look what that did he got a hit on OMQ straight away while half blind.
You don't understand Kyouraku's fighting style, he takes time and slowly tries to understand his enemies abilities before he tries to kill them. Stark it was a long fight, OMQ he was taking his time not really being too active and even with Haschwalth he delayed him for 3 hours just talking.

Yama was very serious about the fight and was trying to kill them just as Kyouraku and Ukitake were trying as well. He even said that he would kill them where they stood even if they didn't release and they would die without a fight.
 
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Yammy is stronger than stark yet is allowed to release his sword In Las Noches when it was clearly stated by Ulquiorra that Espada above 4 werent because of the density of their reishi? Some common sense needs to be applied to these arguments :/ its obv that yammy couldnt touch the top 4 so please stop downplaying stark, a man who turned hollow to dust just by being in their presense...before he became an arrancar.

The only person that could touch Shun and Jou is Unohana (dont give me no kenpachi BS when she killed him and revived him countless times and just wanted to die which I doubt she is)
 

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Yammy is stronger than stark yet is allowed to release his sword In Las Noches when it was clearly stated by Ulquiorra that Espada above 4 werent because of the density of their reishi? Some common sense needs to be applied to these arguments :/ its obv that yammy couldnt touch the top 4 so please stop downplaying stark, a man who turned hollow to dust just by being in their presense...before he became an arrancar.
There is no proof that Yammy was allowed to release inside Las Noches. He released himself, but as I said there is no proof that he is allowed, Aizen by the time he released, was already in FKT, so Yammy could just do that because Aizen wasn't there and can't penaltie Yammy.

Espadas also can't use Gran Ray Cero inside the dome, but Grimmjow used it.. Does that mean that Grimm was only one allowed to use it? Ofc, not, he brake the rule.

Yammy after feeling Ulquiorra's reiatsu said that he is a trash.
 

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Exactly... Kyouraku obviously knew he was in the dis-advantage so when he went in for his slashes they killing blows for sure but not filled with killing intent. Do you understand? Kyouraku was trying to close the gap not kill him because going straight for the kill wouldn't work. Shunsui got very serious once he understood all of Starks powers and knew there was nothing left for him to pull while Kyouraku still hadn't revealed all of his shikai powers.

Stark also got a cheap shot on Shunsui.... So I don't know where that one was going.

The same could be same for Stark.... Stark never once got a hit on Kyouraku unless he got distracted. It works both ways and Stark had the advantage of safety from a distance.

Yama raising his reiatsu does not mean it is a power up for Kyouraku.... Kyouraku had the ability to do that the whole time its just that he got a little more serious, and look what that did he got a hit on OMQ straight away while half blind.
You don't understand Kyouraku's fighting style, he takes time and slowly tries to understand his enemies abilities before he tries to kill them. Stark it was a long fight, OMQ he was taking his time not really being too active and even with Haschwalth he delayed him for 3 hours just talking.

Yama was very serious about the fight and was trying to kill them just as Kyouraku and Ukitake were trying as well. He even said that he would kill them where they stood even if they didn't release and they would die without a fight.
That's dont even make sense he was useing killing blows with no killing intent? What?...no he did intend to kill stark every chance he could,he even told stark he meant to kill him with a sneak attack right after stark did his release,an then said his release is just not for show...kyoraku was serious the moment he used shikai,even starkk said lets take it easy for sometime but kyoraku was like sorry cant do that.

Starkk shot kyoraku once with a cero which did not even penetrate kyoraku's skin an barely hurt him,kyoraku's sneak attack was much worse it caused starkk to actually lose power.

Starkk was winning that fight,that's why ukitake jumped in to help cause he saw that kyoraku had no chance at winning if he was just going to fight with his shikai the whole time he clearly saw that starkk had the advantage in their fight an that he would land a hit before kyoraku does.

No Yama raised his spirits an thats why he landed that hit an that was the only hit he landed,..no kyoraku goes for kills as quick as posible it's just that he can't land any an as the fight goes on he just gains knolowge an a understanding of his opponents abilities..once again seeing as how he tried to kill stark very quickly after he did his release..an yea him hiding behind nanao walls was just him delaying time.

Well yea if they don't release then they won't be able to don anything against Yama even if Yama was holding back...they must be 5 times as strong when working as a team then when they are alone seeing as Yama easily downed three Quincy while kyoraku is struggling to take down one...well with ukitake shikai I can see it kinda resulting in a draw but yma is still mostlikely to win in the end.
 

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Byakuya wins. He had training at the Soul King's palace.
You think that alone is enough to beat the two strongest captains in gotei 13?
Ukitake alone solos byakuya, it'd bully if both captains were to fight him. NOTE: Bankai ukitake+Bankai shunsui= total kuchiki annihilation!
 

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Byakuya wins. He had training at the Soul King's palace.
You think that alone is enough to beat the two strongest captains in gotei 13?
Ukitake alone solos byakuya, it'd bully if both captains were to fight him. NOTE: Bankai ukitake+Bankai shunsui= total kuchiki annihilation!
 

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First thing i will tell you Byakuya will never beat Shunsui let alone Ukitake . The guy just to strong

1. Shunsui never bothered to release a bankai against Staark . He low diffed him easily him easily .

2. Byakuya defense ability is far more weaker than shunsui

3. His reitasu/Kiddo will solo Byakuya

4. First you guys keep forgeting his overwhelming Spiritual Power his bankai has even capabilities to surpass Genryusai himself .

So stop dreaming Byakuya fans . He can never beat Shunsui alone . Don't even bother Ukitake at all in this he could go for a coffee and have a nice break .:leaf:
 

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You think that alone is enough to beat the two strongest captains in gotei 13?
Ukitake alone solos byakuya, it'd bully if both captains were to fight him. NOTE: Bankai ukitake+Bankai shunsui= total kuchiki annihilation!
Lol you funny..as it stands right now Byakuya>>kyoraku an ukitake an that's off feats shown so far.
 

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Nope Byakuya will never match Kyoraku's enormous spiritual powers . It is said it can surpass in Yama . Check Bleach Wiki ..
Lol stop it just stop Yama has the zanpacto with the greatest attack power said by ukitake himself someone who knows what kyoraku bankai is capable of.

From feats shown Byakuya>>>>>kyoraku,no questions asked.
 

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I don't know about Bankai but Bayakuya's curent shikai is above that of Ukitake and Shunsui individually.But he's not beating both of them at the same time.


First thing i will tell you Byakuya will never beat Shunsui let alone Ukitake . The guy just to strong

1. Shunsui never bothered to release a bankai against Staark . He low diffed him easily him easily .

2. Byakuya defense ability is far more weaker than shunsui

3. His reitasu/Kiddo will solo Byakuya

4. First you guys keep forgeting his overwhelming Spiritual Power his bankai has even capabilities to surpass Genryusai himself .

So stop dreaming Byakuya fans . He can never beat Shunsui alone . Don't even bother Ukitake at all in this he could go for a coffee and have a nice break .:leaf:

Where was it stated?
 
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Starkks ceros are powerful, love and rose are also tough because they were hollowfied. His wolves>>>>>>yammy cero
Kyoraku and ukitake in shikai> Byakuya and zaraki in HM arc including byakuyas bankai. If Kyoraku and ukitake cant beat starkk in shikai but byakuya and zaraki can beat yammy at all, then yammy<starkk. you just soloed yourself.
No love an rose masks were off an they still stood after being hit..his wolves>> yammy cero,no thats very incorrect,love an rose would not be standing if they are hit by one of yammy ceros.

Kyoraku an ukitake in shika>Byakuya an zaraki in the HM arc,again negative no they are not...yes they can't beat starkk useing just there shikai's cuz they lack the offensive capabilities in their shikai forms to get the job done...an no yammy>>>starkk
 

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No love an rose masks were off an they still stood after being hit..his wolves>> yammy cero,no thats very incorrect,love an rose would not be standing if they are hit by one of yammy ceros.

Kyoraku an ukitake in shika>Byakuya an zaraki in the HM arc,again negative no they are not...yes they can't beat starkk useing just there shikai's cuz they lack the offensive capabilities in their shikai forms to get the job done...an no yammy>>>starkk
Dude if you wank byakuya any more you are going need another bottle of lube. Bankai Byakuya is not better than shikai shunsui or shikai ukitake. Go re read the manga, your memory is bad.
 

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No love an rose masks were off an they still stood after being hit..his wolves>> yammy cero,no thats very incorrect,love an rose would not be standing if they are hit by one of yammy ceros.

Kyoraku an ukitake in shika>Byakuya an zaraki in the HM arc,again negative no they are not...yes they can't beat starkk useing just there shikai's cuz they lack the offensive capabilities in their shikai forms to get the job done...an no yammy>>>starkk
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Yammys cero is trash compared to starkks wolves
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And then when starkk was about to finish them off Kyoraku stepped in
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Dude if you wank byakuya any more you are going need another bottle of lube. Bankai Byakuya is not better than shikai shunsui or shikai ukitake. Go re read the manga, your memory is bad.
His bankai Is not better than kyoraku & ukitake shikai? How not? You go re read the manga please.
 

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Also their masks were on
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Yammys cero is trash compared to starkks wolves
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And then when starkk was about to finish them off Kyoraku stepped in
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They were also hit with there mask off am I wrong?

Wow that's zaraki he shot that cero at the toughest captain next to Yama of course he was not hurt by it,an did it even hit zaraki foreal?

Kyoraku stepped in so?..rose or love could have easily used bankai an finished him off...an he sneaked starkk cuz he knew his shikai can't beat a full powered starkk.
 
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They were also hit with there mask off am I wrong?

Wow that's zaraki he shot that cero at the toughest captain next to Yama of course he was not hurt by it,an did it even hit zaraki foreal?

Kyoraku stepped in so?..rose or love could have easily used bankai an finished him off...an he sneaked starkk cuz he knew his shikai can't beat a full powered starkk.
They were hit and they were pretty much two shotted because of his two rounds of wolves. And it did not hit zaraki but look at the explosion size. Compared to starkks it is very small. And that explosion I showed was only 3 wolves and we know starkk had many more.

Shunsui and Ukitake held up against yamas shikai. Also Kyoraku has extreme speed. And do not say Byakuya is faster because his speed was pwned by ichigo and starkk easily outsped both zaraki and ichigo.
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But kyoraku as able to keep up with starkk. BTW Kyoraku really was not gonna use bankai.
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Look at his face, he was joking and was saying it for fun. Then Wonderweiss shows up and flips the whole situation around. And starkk takes advantage and blasts Shunsui. Just like what kyoraku did to him. Prior to starkk using wolves Kyoraku hadn't even used a single shikai ability. When he finally used them he destroyed starkk. Irooni is a very strong ability. Combined with his speed and his shikai abilities, byakuya would not last even if he used bankai. Anything byakuya can do, Kyoraku does better. It took byakuya using bankai to beat espada 7. It took zaraki going all out to beat espada 5. After being injured and exhausted you think they can beat an espada stronger than starkk.... BS. You say a full powered ukitake and shunsui cant beat starkk but a heavily injured byakuya and zaraki can beat someone "stronger" than starkk. lol ok go find somewhere else to spout this nonsense.
 
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