Best counter to S/T techniques.. but kishi forgot

[Alfred Pennyworth]

it's the izanagi in the old days , which bascially counters anything inc. s/t

 

[-Best-]

it's the izanagi in the old days , which bascially counters anything inc. s/t

Yes, Izanagi can counter anything. But, the cost is way too much. One eye to counter a FTG technique? that's pretty costly.

 

[-immortal-]

Too OP to let it Continue in the Story, had to be taken out


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[V h o]

Just leave this here.

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[Logical Chaos]

Naruto kind of used a substitution jutsu against kaguya through clone means...kinda.

Excuse me kind sir, could you tell me what anime your sig is from?

 

[KingHashirama]

Whilst I partially agree to what you are saying, If the incoming attack is predictable, then yes it can be used. But then again, You should be able to react in time to it. Say that a FTG kunai is near the opponent's legs. Minato can teleport to the kunai anytime he wants. But when he teleports there at a time when the opponent least expects him. can kawarimi be used? No. Reason? The opponent can't react to it. The moment he/she notices Minato's presence near them, a Kunai will be into their head. That what am taking about my friend. However fast a technique may be.. If you have ample of time to react to the technique, then you can use kawarimi. If not then no. In the case of FTG when the opponent teleports when you least expect them, you can use kawarimi. When the opponent teleports when you are prepared and expect them, then yes you can. even in the case if the seal was placed on you and the opponent directly teleports to you then it's done unless with some dope ass Sage powers like Madara Lol.

And If you take the Kamui, In case of the long range version kakashi uses, the technique is almost instantaneous. as soon as the portal opens, you get sucked inside to another dimension. Do you really think you will have the time to replace yourself with a chunk of wood when your body is getting sucked into another dimension? I beg to differ. and also Minato was able to counter it due to his "Superior reaction" levels and FTG - The instantaneous travel. And if you are taking deidara and kakashi case, it was Kakashi's first time using the Kamui technique. He was way too slow when compare to the time where he used Kamui to suck in the Geddo statue during the war.

Well, i'm not saying its a 100% counter ;p (my bad if i came off as saying its 100% counter proof with no flaws). Just something that can be used to counter. Its just like any jutsu, if someone catches Minato or Tobirama by surprise FTG is worthless to them.

I don't really see how Minato has super human reactions better than your normal elite ninja. He simply has high speed techniques that make his reactions look insanely good.

From what I have seen Kamui takes more than a second, and substitution jutsu can be casted in a second.

 

[-Best-]

Well, i'm not saying its a 100% counter ;p (my bad if i came off as saying its 100% counter proof with no flaws). Just something that can be used to counter. Its just like any jutsu, if someone catches Minato or Tobirama be surprise FTG is worthless to them.

I don't really see how Minato has super human reactions better than your normal elite ninja. He simply has high speed techniques that make his reactions look insanely good.

From what I have seen Kamui takes more than a second, and substitution jutsu can be casted in a second.

Minato has High reactions. That's the reason why he is able to used FTG techniques with such precision. remember the fight Minato Vs Ay? He countered Ay's high speed punch in the nick of time. Without very high reactions that's not possible. and Kamui is Instantaneous man. It is a S/T technique. and indeed, ST can be casted in a second but then again, you have to be able to react to Kamui. the moment you notice that your opponent is using Kamui, you are already getting sucked inside another dimension. So, Kamui is a no go with Kawarimi.

 

[KingHashirama]

Minato has High reactions. That's the reason why he is able to used FTG techniques with such precision. remember the fight Minato Vs Ay? He countered Ay's high speed punch in the nick of time. Without very high reactions that's not possible. and Kamui is Instantaneous man. It is a S/T technique. and indeed, ST can be casted in a second but then again, you have to be able to react to Kamui. the moment you notice that your opponent is using Kamui, you are already getting sucked inside another dimension. So, Kamui is a no go with Kawarimi.

Well, most elite ninja have high reactions, thats why i'm saying i don't see how his are something special. He was able to react because he sensed, and on top of that the jutsu FTG is near instant itself.

Kamui isn't instant bro lol. People have reacted to it..

 

[Manigold]

the ultimate jutsu against s/t users is actually the jutsu that basically every single shinobi of konoha knows.... But for some reason, they forget to use it, when they need it the most.

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Kishimoto, for some reason felt like taking this out.... the best usage of substitution jutsu aka troll jutsu in my opinion, was shown by sakura and Kakashi in part 1. But lord damn that is one OP jutsu if you think about it.


#NeverForgetTheBasics
#KishiForgot
#TrollKingJutsu

i was thinking about the same thing, Kishi forgot about this jutsus which is really useful for strategies and surprise attacks, in part 2 he focused more on the power than the strategies which is a huge part of being a shinobi

 

[AlphaScythian]

Most of S/Ts tend to beat reaction time, so no substitution is possible.

 

[KingHashirama]

Most of S/Ts tend to beat reaction time, so no substitution is possible.

Not really. o-o. They only catch people good, when they are done out of blue hell, which can be said about any other jutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Not really. o-o. They only catch people good, when they are done out of blue hell, which can be said about any other jutsu.

Did you even read substitution jutsu description? You have to go and chop those three logs to replace with yourself, or some anything?

S/T beats it more times then not.

 

[KingHashirama]

Did you even read substitution jutsu description? You have to go and chop those three logs to replace with yourself, or some anything?

S/T beats it more times then not.

Did you even see it being used in the series? Do let me know from which tree Kakashi /Sakura chopped their wood from.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Did you even see it being used in the series? Do let me know from which tree Kakashi /Sakura chopped their wood from.

Sakura at least had to use hand signs, possibly to summon those, but then again its slower then S/T jutsu

 

[KingHashirama]

Sakura at least had to use hand signs, possibly to summon those, but then again its slower then S/T jutsu

ninja can make multiple hand signs in a second.. lol.....

 

[AlphaScythian]

ninja can make multiple hand signs in a second.. lol.....

not everybody, far from it in fact.

 

[KingHashirama]

not everybody, far from it in fact.

didn't say everybody.. but basically all elite shinobi. o-o

 

[AlphaScythian]

didn't say everybody.. but basically all elite shinobi. o-o

Lol, only Itachi was said to make it and then again his hands were below that akatsuki coat or simply out of LOS

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol, only Itachi was said to make it and then again his hands were below that akatsuki coat or simply out of LOS

roflllzz XD

But hey, if someone like Hiruzen/Kakashi and etc even Ay were to use it .. they'd be deadly.

 

[AlphaScythian]

roflllzz XD

But hey, if someone like Hiruzen/Kakashi and etc even Ay were to use it .. they'd be deadly.

But not against S/T, it took JJ reactions, expectation and readily available instant no hand signs clone to do so.