Best counter to S/T techniques.. but kishi forgot

[KingHashirama]

the ultimate jutsu against s/t users is actually the jutsu that basically every single shinobi of konoha knows.... But for some reason, they forget to use it, when they need it the most.

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Kishimoto, for some reason felt like taking this out.... the best usage of substitution jutsu aka troll jutsu in my opinion, was shown by sakura and Kakashi in part 1. But lord damn that is one OP jutsu if you think about it.


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[-Best-]

Very old troll. At Least post some new and innovative troll thread. :|

 

[Gerkak]

Kawarimi is probably a S/T jutsu itself. Therefore nothing can counter S/T jutsu but another S/T jutsu

 

[KingHashirama]

Very old troll. At Least post some new and innovative troll thread. :|

i'm being serious.. unless you have a counter.. rofl. Sorry i don't make troll threads.

Kishimoto seemed to have forgotten this in part 2..

Kawarimi is probably a S/T jutsu itself. Therefore nothing can counter S/T jutsu but another S/T jutsu

"probably" is a guess. Its not classified as s/t jutsu.

 

[-Best-]

Kawarimi is probably a S/T jutsu itself. Therefore nothing can counter S/T jutsu but another S/T jutsu

i'm being serious.. unless you have a counter.. rofl. Sorry i don't make troll threads.

If you are being serious then Kawarimi won't work. Kawarimi is only a fast replacement technique. The Shinobi will replace him with another other at a quick speed. It was should to the used only against low ranked ninja who weren't able to track the speed of the person using it. ( Like Kakashi using it against Genin Team 7). So yeah, Kawarimi is just a replacement technique. It can't cope up with a instantaneous technique like FTG.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

That jutsu was forgotten for many reasons and you've successfully listed one of em .​

 

[Da Best Ever]

You don't have to counter s/t jutsu... no s/t jutsu other than kaguya's amenominka can kill....You need to counter the jutsu that follows the s/t jutsu...

 

[KingHashirama]

If you are being serious then Kawarimi won't work. Kawarimi is only a fast replacement technique. The Shinobi will replace him with another other at a quick speed. It was should to the used only against low ranked ninja who weren't able to track the speed of the person using it. ( Like Kakashi using it against Genin Team 7). So yeah, Kawarimi is just a replacement technique. It can't cope up with a instantaneous technique like FTG.

Sakura was one of the slowest people in part 1.. yet used it. It creates an illusion that the person is there.. you can only find out about it when you attack. If someone is not fast.. this jutsu is perfect as a counter to they can use against s/t users.

But its perfect against ftg.. lol. Unless you get the seal on yourself.. thats a different story. But its perfect to escape the ftg trap.

And then its good against Kamui also.

You don't have to counter s/t jutsu... no s/t jutsu other than kaguya's amenominka can kill....You need to counter the jutsu that follows the s/t jutsu...

you know what i meant >.>

That jutsu was forgotten for many reasons and you've successfully listed one of em .​

even the clone technique was forgotten.. lol. Normal academy ninja can make clone techniques (not shadow clones). But elite ninja can't use it for distraction.

 

[Six Paths]

If you are being serious then Kawarimi won't work. Kawarimi is only a fast replacement technique. The Shinobi will replace him with another other at a quick speed. It was should to the used only against low ranked ninja who weren't able to track the speed of the person using it. ( Like Kakashi using it against Genin Team 7). So yeah, Kawarimi is just a replacement technique. It can't cope up with a instantaneous technique like FTG.

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[KingHashirama]

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has been countered.

 

[Gerkak]

You don't have to counter s/t jutsu... no s/t jutsu other than kaguya's amenominka can kill....You need to counter the jutsu that follows the s/t jutsu...

Kamui can kill.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

That jutsu was forgotten for many reasons and you've successfully listed one of em .​

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Sakura was one of the slowest people in part 1.. yet used it. It creates an illusion that the person is there.. you can only find out about it when you attack. If someone is not fast.. this jutsu is perfect as a counter to they can use against s/t users.

But its perfect against ftg.. lol. Unless you get the seal on yourself.. thats a different story. But its perfect to escape the ftg trap.

And then its good against Kamui also.

It doesn't create an illusion, well we can say that as an optical illusion to the least. The name itself is "Body replacement technique".

With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands.

It will work only on slow targets. For example a nooblet ninja running to execute a Taijutsu move. FTG is instantaneous. You can't even categorise it as fast like the Raikage punches. It's virtually instant. In the blink of any eye, the opponent will be near you. You will have very less to no time to react to a FTG technique whilst on the contrary Kawarimi need ample of reaction time to pull out.

And it can't be used against Kamui for same reasons as above. Only FTG technique was shown capable of escaping from Kamui.

 

[Six Paths]

has been countered.

Read below my friend.

It doesn't create an illusion, well we can say that as an optical illusion to the least. The name itself is "Body replacement technique".

With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands.

It will work only on slow targets. For example a nooblet ninja running to execute a Taijutsu move. FTG is instantaneous. You can't even categorise it as fast like the Raikage punches. It's virtually instant. In the blink of any eye, the opponent will be near you. You will have very less to no time to react to a FTG technique whilst on the contrary Kawarimi need ample of reaction time to pull out.

And it can't be used against Kamui for same reasons as above. Only FTG technique was shown capable of escaping from Kamui.

I second this.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

even the clone technique was forgotten.. lol. Normal academy ninja can make clone techniques (not shadow clones). But elite ninja can't use it for distraction.

When your opponent is more experienced, they can see through distractions

Most of the time they're neglected as you mentioned, but you've to factor in the chakra levels of the user as well .​

 

[Xlad]

If you are being serious then Kawarimi won't work. Kawarimi is only a fast replacement technique. The Shinobi will replace him with another other at a quick speed. It was should to the used only against low ranked ninja who weren't able to track the speed of the person using it. ( Like Kakashi using it against Genin Team 7). So yeah, Kawarimi is just a replacement technique. It can't cope up with a instantaneous technique like FTG.

Lml. Exactly this. There is really no need to debate any further. But coming from you KH...

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Naruto kind of used a substitution jutsu against kaguya through clone means...kinda.

 

[KingHashirama]

It doesn't create an illusion, well we can say that as an optical illusion to the least. The name itself is "Body replacement technique".

With this technique, users replace their own body with some other object, generally with a block of wood, the moment an attack lands.

It will work only on slow targets. For example a nooblet ninja running to execute a Taijutsu move. FTG is instantaneous. You can't even categorise it as fast like the Raikage punches. It's virtually instant. In the blink of any eye, the opponent will be near you. You will have very less to no time to react to a FTG technique whilst on the contrary Kawarimi need ample of reaction time to pull out.

And it can't be used against Kamui for same reasons as above. Only FTG technique was shown capable of escaping from Kamui.

1. the technique is used to counter fast attacks.. ... It has been used by slower people to counter those who are superior to them in speed. Sakura who had 1 in speed, against Zaku who had 2.5 in speed. Now take into consideration this is them as genins. The whole purpose for the technique is to escape fast attacks.. lol.

2. It doesn't need to be fast actually.. you simply need to have it ready before the person can hit you.. and then even if its a hit from ftg.. it'll work. Its not "ftg first, and then the person tries to use subsitution". Its "ok hes gonna be using ftg, time to get ready." Just like shadow clones.. you use them before the attacks. If used by elite ninja.. this technique is deadly..

3. Kamui requires a physical target to hit or wrap, and with subsitution jutsu its counterable. When Kakashi used kamui on deidara.. that was perfect for deidara to use subsitution jutsu HAD HE KNOWN kakashi had kamui and was gonna use it.

When your opponent is more experienced, they can see through distractions

Most of the time they're neglected as you mentioned, but you've to factor in the chakra levels of the user as well .​

only shadow clones or other physical clones can issue for people with low chakra levels. But something like a clone technique (the one taught at the academy) is perfect to be used. Your opponent might be experienced.. but i doubt anyone can actually tell during a fight with explosions going on which one is real. UNLESS you have a dojutsu of course.

 

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1. the technique is used to counter fast attacks.. ... It has been used by slower people to counter those who are superior to them in speed. Sakura who had 1 in speed, against Zaku who had 2.5 in speed. Now take into consideration this is them as genins. The whole purpose for the technique is to escape fast attacks.. lol.

2. It doesn't need to be fast actually.. you simply need to have it ready before the person can hit you.. and then even if its a hit from ftg.. it'll work. Its not "ftg first, and then the person tries to use subsitution". Its "ok hes gonna be using ftg, time to get ready." Just like shadow clones.. you use them before the attacks. If used by elite ninja.. this technique is deadly..

3. Kamui requires a physical target to hit or wrap, and with subsitution jutsu its counterable. When Kakashi used kamui on deidara.. that was perfect for deidara to use subsitution jutsu HAD HE KNOWN kakashi had kamui and was gonna use it.

Whilst I partially agree to what you are saying, If the incoming attack is predictable, then yes it can be used. But then again, You should be able to react in time to it. Say that a FTG kunai is near the opponent's legs. Minato can teleport to the kunai anytime he wants. But when he teleports there at a time when the opponent least expects him. can kawarimi be used? No. Reason? The opponent can't react to it. The moment he/she notices Minato's presence near them, a Kunai will be into their head. That what am taking about my friend. However fast a technique may be.. If you have ample of time to react to the technique, then you can use kawarimi. If not then no. In the case of FTG when the opponent teleports when you least expect them, you can use kawarimi. When the opponent teleports when you are prepared and expect them, then yes you can. even in the case if the seal was placed on you and the opponent directly teleports to you then it's done unless with some dope ass Sage powers like Madara Lol.

And If you take the Kamui, In case of the long range version kakashi uses, the technique is almost instantaneous. as soon as the portal opens, you get sucked inside to another dimension. Do you really think you will have the time to replace yourself with a chunk of wood when your body is getting sucked into another dimension? I beg to differ. and also Minato was able to counter it due to his "Superior reaction" levels and FTG - The instantaneous travel. And if you are taking deidara and kakashi case, it was Kakashi's first time using the Kamui technique. He was way too slow when compare to the time where he used Kamui to suck in the Geddo statue during the war.

 

[Vapid]

Substitution jutsu is way too OP. Kishi had to take it out for the plot's sake.