[Debate] True Capitalism vs True communism

[KingHashirama]

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As growing up, i realized that kids in america are brain-washed basically at 1-12 grades in regards to "ohhh capitalism is the best, all the way with democracy", and then the whole notion of "communism is the devil, we should never talk about it".

Communism:

- True communism is not about dictatorship. Its about brotherhood with the "lower class " and the "middle class".
- It includes control by the government.
- Russia/cuba/china were never communist countries. They are called communists by the feat by the western world governments.
- Government in communism = the people
- It basically requires people to work together, while obeying society's law but getting no punishment for it. And in the end there is no gold at the end of the rainbow.
- Its something that can never be achieved in our world.


Capitalism:

- True capitalism ended basically when unions started forming and the government stepped in.
- It basically "rich keep on getting rich, while the poor stay poor".
- You cannot tell people not to discriminate, you can't force them to pay you higher, because labor is easy to find.
- Its basically the start of economic dictatorship.
- Its ran by the people.. however, the rich people.
- It has existed, but hard to maintain it.


Debate:

- Why do we spread lies of Russia/cuba/china ever being communist countries? While knowing there is no communist country to have ever existed on this planet.

- What is your take on true capitalism vs true communism? Pro capitalism? or pro communism?

- Would the society be better by mixing both of them, or following 1 specific idea?

- What are the issues with real communism?

- what are the issues with real capitalism?








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[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

america is full of bullshit, them zionist are brainwashing you.

 

[Shanks]

Captalism any time . Everyone gets money end of the day .

 

[KingHashirama]

Captalism any time . Everyone gets money end of the day .

Money = 1 dollar also,

you are fine with it?

 

[GenKiDama]

Obviously captialism. you worker harder, you stand above everyone else. simple.
you obviously made this thread to disagree with people. And I think you knew that.

 

[Shanks]

Money = 1 dollar also,

you are fine with it?

It depends where you live and GDP growth is .. Honestly even a dollar in Third world country they get full square meal. Captalism any time.

Talking about Communist take example of Bloody rule of Stalin he was a monster . Mao was not that far too.

 

[Gerkak]

Communism has its flaws as well. An idiot can perform his job half-assed and get the same pay you do at the end of the day.

Both systems are failures.

 

[KingHashirama]

It depends where you live and GDP growth is .. Honestly even a dollar in Third world country they get full square meal. Captalism any time.

No that is because government has control over the economies. The reason U.S.A has maintained its econ is because of its government keeping it stabilized.

Communism has its flaws as well. An idiot can perform his job half-assed and get the same pay you do at the end of the day.

Both systems are failures.

No thats not communism.

But since the idiot will not be working properly.. and there are many idiots in the world like that. then the system itself can never even happen. Its impossible to even start the system without having a common understanding between the people.

 

[Transcendence]

They're both inherently flawed. With Capitalism, the harder you work, the better you'll get rewarded, but there's no room for finesse. With Communism, there's more of an inherent balance between the classes, but it leaves no chance of you reaping higher rewards even if you perform a specific job many times better than another person.

 

[10th]

Maybe Cuba,Russia, and China are proof that Communism is only good in theory and not in general practice.

But man China economically wise seem to be more on the capitalism side than communist.

 

[Shanks]

No that is because government has control over the economies. The reason U.S.A has maintained its econ is because of its government keeping it stabilized.

Ya Capitalism + Stable Government = Win for People . I agree with this statement .

Maybe Cuba,Russia, and China are proof that Communism is only good in theory and not in general practice.

But man China economically wise seem to be more on the capitalism side than communist.

Remember Culture rev. Do you know how many people died when Chinese army open fired against them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ya Capitalism + Stable Government = Win for People . I agree with this statement .

But the issue is capitalism what we are talking about is the actual capitalism.

Meaning, if they don't like your race, they can deny you for work. They wanna pay you 1 dollar.. their choice.

Maybe Cuba,Russia, and China are proof that Communism is only good in theory and not in general practice.

But man China economically wise seem to be more on the capitalism side than communist.

No what lenin tried to do was not in true communism, he tried to force the system. Cuba isn't really even a communist country at all, we just labeled it communist, because of its affiliations with russia.

Yea china is pretty capitalist. But we call it communist.

 

[The Dreamer]

Communism is disgusting. Just check out Jugoslavija if you don't believe me.

 

[Shanks]

But the issue is capitalism what we are talking about is the actual capitalism.

Meaning, if they don't like your race, they can deny you for work. They wanna pay you 1 dollar.. their choice.

That is wrong .. More like your issue is changing into race and ethnicity . I don't think there is true captalism existing in this era the world has changed human right groups have become more active.
Globalisation is a big catch for captalist .

End of the day : Captalist wants profit ,people want money to live . The only thing i feel sad about Captalism is they don't take responsibility when they are guilty .

The big catch Warren Anderson Ex- char of Union Carbide his plant in Bhopal situated in India release Cyanide killing almost 10,000 people. This guy is still on a run. Guess what he is 93.

I agree with you True captalism is bad as Communism.

No, Im not too knowledgeable on chinese history. What happened?

There is a big story behind it . All i knew it was tragic day for chinese . Army crushed those students just because they were denied rights.

 

[10th]

Ya Capitalism + Stable Government = Win for People . I agree with this statement .



Remember Culture rev. Do you know how many people died when Chinese army open fired against them.

No, Im not too knowledgeable on chinese history. What happened?

 

[KingHashirama]

That is wrong .. More like your issue is changing into race and ethnicity . I don't think there is true captalism existing in this era the world has changed human right groups have become more active.

It has already existed, and it ended with the industrial revolution.


And yea i believe there is no true capitalist country in the world, but west still wants to brainwash into believing there is. And issues of race and ethnicity were part of the problem in capitalism.

Communism is disgusting. Just check out Jugoslavija if you don't believe me.

They aren't communists.

They're both inherently flawed. With Capitalism, the harder you work, the better you'll get rewarded, but there's no room for finesse. With Communism, there's more of an inherent balance between the classes, but it leaves no chance of you reaping higher rewards even if you perform a specific job many times better than another person.

it requires for them to do the exact same amount of work. And if not done, then it is the people's choice to do something about that person.

 

[Tobi98]

In Yugoslavia communism kinda worked for the time it lasted...

 

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[Yuri Uzuma]

Firstly, I congratulate for thinking "unsystematically", i.e. outside US mind box. As I've grown up in a more socialistic country I would choose communism, but not the radical one. Of course, the balance between both communism and capitalism would be perfect. Nowadays, we may have biiger opportunities in economics for having capitalsim, however, people are obsessed with money. They get bigger salaries, but they spend their whole time in a workplace. They don't have time for their families, friends, and still after returning home, they think about their work problems.
Communism might be more limited. Nevertheless, all is possible if we blend those two in a mixture especially in a modern economic world. Finally, my personal opinion is that an ordinary human being does not need many material resorces, because he won't learn to deal with them properly ever.

 

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