[Discussion] Byakuya vs Ukitake&Shunsui

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One Shunsui and Ukitake were also going easy on Stark and being just as carefree as he was. Stark was handling things well because there was no pressure being put on him in the first place.

Secondly Byakuya used Bankai against the 5 SR as you could not see the hilt of his blade..... Hence Bankai was already activated before the fight even began.
No kyoraku was trying seeing as he was being forced to use bankai before ukitake stepped in.

An no Byakuya cape thing was covering up his sword he drew it to block hisagi blade...so no,no bankai was used not that we know of.
 

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if you think ukitake and kyoraku got captain and remained captain for so long based on the snippet of their shikai abilities shown VS. Starrk then you guys must be braindead.

do you guys honestly think absorbing Energy beams is all ukitake can do? lol.

byakuya would lose to both in a 1v1 only kuchiki fanboys would say otherwise
 

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Kyouraku was gonna use Bankai when Stark showed his true abilities (He knew Cero Metrallata wasn't his strongest ability). He had no real intention of using it if Stark didn't show his true power.



In this panel he is controlling the petals using his hands..... Hence Bankai
 

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We don't KNOW that, we can only assume...
It was stated that together they don't stand a chance against Yamamoto. That's already one who is stronger than them.

So everyone who is around Yamamoto's level or above, beat them. That include, Ichigo (Dangai), Aizen (Hogyoku), Ichibei, Yhwach and potentially some other characters as well.
 

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Off topic, but I wonder can Ichigo beat either of them 1v1 now?
Yes, Ichigo is SWP for a reason.

Current Ichigo at worst should be little above Shinigami Aizen's level of power.

That's IMO enough to beat Current Byakuya with high diff.

And enough to beat Kyoraku or Ukitake with mid diff.
 

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Kyouraku was gonna use Bankai when Stark showed his true abilities (He knew Cero Metrallata wasn't his strongest ability). He had no real intention of using it if Stark didn't show his true power.



In this panel he is controlling the petals using his hands..... Hence Bankai
No he told ukitake he will use it now but ukitake was like no,meaning he was going to use it.

Even if it was his bankai he showed much better feats than ukitake an kyoraku combined an nether kyoraku or ukitake has a way to escape gokei senbonzakura.
 

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Yes, Ichigo is SWP for a reason.

Current Ichigo at worst should be little above Shinigami Aizen's level of power.

That's IMO enough to beat Current Byakuya with high diff.

And enough to beat Kyoraku or Ukitake with mid diff.
Yea if we are referring to current base ichigo then yes he's probaly a little above aizen or just much stronger.
 

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hinestly, the things we have seen from these 2 aren't that impressive. shunsui couldn't beat stark even with the help of ukitaki. byakuya has trained with the royal guard now. as far as we know, he just took out 3 star knights without using bankai. those other 2 have done absolutely nothing this entire arc. untill these 2 do something worth while, i'll go with byakuya. shunsui got an eye taken out by "N", who byakuya took out with 2 other star knights. just saying.
This + rep

Both are so overrated for no reason byakuya would stomp this no diff and didnt he stomp the guy who took out Shunsui's eye along side 4 other quincies without his shikai or bankai yes his speed tears them apar Jushiro's absorbing ability is easily overpowered with 360 attacks shunsui is either blitz or overwhelmed the same way

Byakuya no diff
 

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No he told ukitake he will use it now but ukitake was like no,meaning he was going to use it.

Even if it was his bankai he showed much better feats than ukitake an kyoraku combined an nether kyoraku or ukitake has a way to escape gokei senbonzakura.
He was joking around he really had no intention of using it he said that in the chapter before. Kyouraku making light of his Bankai was for Ukitake to hype it.

Ukitake and Kyouraku have never used their Bankai once and have fought extremely strong characters including Stark and Yamamoto. You can't assume that Byakuya would defeat them without all factors
 

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He was joking around he really had no intention of using it he said that in the chapter before. Kyouraku making light of his Bankai was for Ukitake to hype it.

Ukitake and Kyouraku have never used their Bankai once and have fought extremely strong characters including Stark and Yamamoto. You can't assume that Byakuya would defeat them without all factors
No kyoraku thought starkk guns shot something else besides cero but what he did not know was that stark could fire multiple cero at a time so he was going to have no choice but to use bankai sense his shikai was mainly a close range thing while stark was long range.

Yea an they failed to beat both stark (while at his best) an Yama,an once again an opponent kyoraku failed to beat Byakuya trashed which was OMQ..Byakuya an zaraki fought the real strongest espada an beat him an thats before there power ups..while when ever kyoraku an ukitake team up they failed to beat their opponent.
 

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No kyoraku thought starkk guns shot something else besides cero but what he did not know was that stark could fire multiple cero at a time so he was going to have no choice but to use bankai sense his shikai was mainly a close range thing while stark was long range.

Yea an they failed to beat both stark (while at his best) an Yama,an once again an opponent kyoraku failed to beat Byakuya trashed which was OMQ..Byakuya an zaraki fought the real strongest espada an beat him an thats before there power ups..while when ever kyoraku an ukitake team up they failed to beat their opponent.
Yeah and Shunsui was right.... So Shunsui wasn't going to use it. Shunsui was joking around and Ukitake took it seriously, and we have seen that Starks cero does absolutely no damage to Shunsui.
Yammy was slow and not Stark..... Stark had power and intelligence which made him far more dangerous than Yammy.
While Ukitake and Shunsui fighting together they weren't even trying to kill Stark. They were still as casual as ever, the only time Kyouraku got really serious was in their last battle in which Shunsui killed Stark. The other times Shunsui was making half assed attempts at killing Stark in which even his expression was casual.
OMQ got a hit on Shunsui by nearly getting killed..... Shunsui nearly sliced him in two while in Shikai and OMQ had to use Vollstandig to dodge it and hit Shunsui, it wasn't even a killing blow. Even after losing an eye Shunsui still bypassed his defences easily and got a hit in and the only reason he got shot down (Again not even fatal injuries) was because Yama died.
Don't even need to explain Yama.... In the databooks Kubo indicated that their fight ended as a draw not as unfinished while other fights that didn't finish he said it as so.
 

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Yeah and Shunsui was right.... So Shunsui wasn't going to use it. Shunsui was joking around and Ukitake took it seriously, and we have seen that Starks cero does absolutely no damage to Shunsui.
Yammy was slow and not Stark..... Stark had power and intelligence which made him far more dangerous than Yammy.
While Ukitake and Shunsui fighting together they weren't even trying to kill Stark. They were still as casual as ever, the only time Kyouraku got really serious was in their last battle in which Shunsui killed Stark. The other times Shunsui was making half assed attempts at killing Stark in which even his expression was casual.
OMQ got a hit on Shunsui by nearly getting killed..... Shunsui nearly sliced him in two while in Shikai and OMQ had to use Vollstandig to dodge it and hit Shunsui, it wasn't even a killing blow. Even after losing an eye Shunsui still bypassed his defences easily and got a hit in and the only reason he got shot down (Again not even fatal injuries) was because Yama died.
Don't even need to explain Yama.... In the databooks Kubo indicated that their fight ended as a draw not as unfinished while other fights that didn't finish he said it as so.
No he was going to use it he had no choice he won't joking around so what you talking about? He could not get close to starkk unless he had help,starkk cero don't have to hurt him the whole point is tht kyoraku had no way to get close to him,an his cero will hurt kyoraku if he keeps getting hit by them if they did not hurt then he would just run threw them an not worry bout getting hit...no matter how you put it yammy was stronger but yea starkk was strong aswell.

Yea they were trying espacially kyoraku he tried to kill starkk foreal when he was arguing with his gun right arter he did his release an when starkk was focused on ukitake kyoraku tried to cut his head off,they weren't playing around they just could not hit starkk while he was useing his cero guns.

An yea he killed starkk thanks to that sneak attack that got rid of Starks wolves Stark could not use his real power in their final battle.

Well yea he actually got hit but Byakuya did not an the only reason he cut OMQ was cuz Yama raised his spirit by entering the battle,an the fact he did not beat OMQ yet even after Yama delt with fake Bach also says alot about kyoraku strenght...an omq won't even using vollstanding anymore an kyoraku still could not beat him smh.

Lol the funny thing is,is that the fight was not finished cuz they were still fighting...anyway Yama was not serious about killing thoes two as he was about killing the Quincy if so they would no longer be around an, if they fight would have dragged on Yama would have eventually won.
 

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No he was going to use it he had no choice he won't joking around so what you talking about? He could not get close to starkk unless he had help,starkk cero don't have to hurt him the whole point is tht kyoraku had no way to get close to him,an his cero will hurt kyoraku if he keeps getting hit by them if they did not hurt then he would just run threw them an not worry bout getting hit...no matter how you put it yammy was stronger but yea starkk was strong aswell.

Yea they were trying espacially kyoraku he tried to kill starkk foreal when he was arguing with his gun right arter he did his release an when starkk was focused on ukitake kyoraku tried to cut his head off,they weren't playing around they just could not hit starkk while he was useing his cero guns.

An yea he killed starkk thanks to that sneak attack that got rid of Starks wolves Stark could not use his real power in their final battle.

Well yea he actually got hit but Byakuya did not an the only reason he cut OMQ was cuz Yama raised his spirit by entering the battle,an the fact he did not beat OMQ yet even after Yama delt with fake Bach also says alot about kyoraku strenght...an omq won't even using vollstanding anymore an kyoraku still could not beat him smh.

Lol the funny thing is,is that the fight was not finished cuz they were still fighting...anyway Yama was not serious about killing thoes two as he was about killing the Quincy if so they would no longer be around an, if they fight would have dragged on Yama would have eventually won.
Don't wanna weigh in on anything here except that Yammy was not stronger than starkk. Because starkk was stronger than old guy who was stronger than SE ulq stronger than Yammy. Yammy has no gets to put him above 5th and hardly that as I think nnoitora could beat him too.
 

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Don't wanna weigh in on anything here except that Yammy was not stronger than starkk. Because starkk was stronger than old guy who was stronger than SE ulq stronger than Yammy. Yammy has no gets to put him above 5th and hardly that as I think nnoitora could beat him too.
Lol yea you just don't know what your talking about anymore lol.

Yammy is stronger than stark,starkk is just faster.an no that old guy Quincy has absolutely nothing on ulquiorra an would get trashed...noritora lost to zaraki alone an after that battle zaraki got stronger an still needed Byakuya's help to take down yammy cuz he won't gone beat him alone...yammy won't number zero for nothing.
 

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Lol yea you just don't know what your talking about anymore lol.

Yammy is stronger than stark,starkk is just faster.an no that old guy Quincy has absolutely nothing on ulquiorra an would get trashed...noritora lost to zaraki alone an after that battle zaraki got stronger an still needed Byakuya's help to take down yammy cuz he won't gone beat him alone...yammy won't number zero for nothing.
I like how you put lol in every one of your replies as if it makes your statement more justified. Barragans respira>ulq. Top 4 espada>yammy. Yammy sucks, he is just big. Yammy is in no waystronger than ulq and ulq has nothing on starkk. Starkk is fast but his ceros are very powerful and he can shot dozens of them in a second. Then his wolves would destroy yammy. His zero ranking was only to make you feel like he was a threat but we all knew he wasnt. If you think that Ukitake and shunsui combo couldnt beat starkk. And you think that yammy>starkk. Why did zaraki and byakuya beat yammy. Shunsui and ukitake> Byakuya and zaraki during HM arc. No two ways about that.
 

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It was stated that together they don't stand a chance against Yamamoto. That's already one who is stronger than them.

So everyone who is around Yamamoto's level or above, beat them. That include, Ichigo (Dangai), Aizen (Hogyoku), Ichibei, Yhwach and potentially some other characters as well.
I knew this... I just like to hold Ukitake in a special realm of his own. He's like stronger Byakuya. A guy that's loved and respected and is powerful and someone even the VERY strongest cannot underestimate. That's the way I like to look at him, Byakuya, and Ulquiorra. Rose was on this list until he got pwnd. x0
 

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I like how you put lol in every one of your replies as if it makes your statement more justified. Barragans respira>ulq. Top 4 espada>yammy. Yammy sucks, he is just big. Yammy is in no waystronger than ulq and ulq has nothing on starkk. Starkk is fast but his ceros are very powerful and he can shot dozens of them in a second. Then his wolves would destroy yammy. His zero ranking was only to make you feel like he was a threat but we all knew he wasnt. If you think that Ukitake and shunsui combo couldnt beat starkk. And you think that yammy>starkk. Why did zaraki and byakuya beat yammy. Shunsui and ukitake> Byakuya and zaraki during HM arc. No two ways about that.
I put lol cuz it's funny...an no barrgan would mostlikely die in a fight with ulquiorra..top 4 espada>yammy lol no we all know halibel would die fast against yammy,yammy cero should be able to land if soi fon missile got that close to barrgan but barrgan won't survive yammy cero,starkk abilities are weak so I'm not going to worry about him really he has to land 1000 thousand attacks inorder to take down yammy which he won't do,ulquiorra has a good chane at betig yammy thoe they are both very powerful physically,but even yammy called ulquiorra trash.

Did you just say starkk ceros are powerful wow when starkk him self said his cero can't even take down love an rose an had to resort to his wolves which Also took for ever to take them out lol ok ok his attacks sure are strong alright.

Lol kubo had no real way for zaraki an Byakuya to beat yammy that's why the whole thing was off panel,but it also says zaraki an Byakuya >>ukitake an kyoraku at that moment,they did go all out an use their full power to beat yammy thoe...if kyoraku or ukitake would have used bankai then yea they would have beat starkk but in their shikai forms no just no.
 
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