Why does Kishi hate Females?

90sKids98

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Veteran
Joined
Apr 16, 2014
Messages
2,499
Reaction score
201
I mean there are so many examples of how Kishi hates them.
-Tsunade is was the weakest Hokage until No MS Kakashi came in
-Sakura and Hinata are Fodders who either hide or cry
-Mei who had potential with her abilities looked like Fodder and only thinks about men
-TenTen...
-Ino is just a messenger for people basically
-Karui's Child is fat and obese, and now Anko too
-Karin is just a girl who lusts and fangirls over a guy


I think the only good, solid female character in Naruto is Temari...
 

SSStylish

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Messages
3,467
Reaction score
597
Because this is a Shōnen manga not a Shōjo.
 

villain55

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
May 13, 2012
Messages
10,730
Reaction score
1,213
Kushina and Konan are the best females in the series.

But, IDK I think he's sexist, idk
 

Venomous Cobra

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
May 13, 2014
Messages
15,664
Reaction score
1,229
It's not about him hating, its his view on women that's messd up, he realized that and then made the strongest villain a women but them again she lacked personality


And no hinata and sakura aren't fodders, they're the most talked about characters in this forum (of course after itachi XD) that alone should tell how significant they are
 
Last edited:

Defence

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
4,242
Reaction score
479
KONAN was a pretty good character. Kicked obito's ass and almost won
 

Pumpkin Ninja

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,554
Reaction score
1,857
He doesn't hate women. He just knows that men > women when it comes to things like fighting.

Kushina and Konan are the best females in the series.

But, IDK I think he's sexist, idk
This is very true but Temari and Tayuya should be there as well.
 

Ja maya

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Oct 18, 2014
Messages
2,695
Reaction score
152
I don't think hates women, he just doesn't have a proper view on a female. He legitimately should educate himself on good female characters. He's clearly ignorant.
 

SS100

Banned
Veteran
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
2,141
Reaction score
164
because apparence is all that matters
 

A Perfect Orgasm

Banned
Regular
Joined
Oct 16, 2014
Messages
1,479
Reaction score
166
Didn't run away, was prepared to die like a boss.
You must be registered for see images

You have a point with females not being executed properly in the manga, but it's not because Kishi hates the women he just isn't great at writing them which he even said so himself
 

giostep

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Nov 26, 2010
Messages
1,320
Reaction score
78
Why would he have to hate females?
I mean truth is that in that day and time men would usually be stronger then women. Its a male focused Manga. The fanbase is mainly male. Why should he curtail his manga to women? Is that his target audience? Tsunade wasnt the weakest Hokage, considering that Danzo was an interim Hokage for a moment, also why should it matter if she was only stronger then Kakashi? She should have been stronger the Hiruzen and Minato too? Mei isnt fodder but there just wasnt enough time to display her abilities. same can be said for the Raikage, he had mad potential and got out classed by a pre war Naruto just learning Kyuubi Powers, and then got out classed by a dead ninja (just like the rest of the Kage). TenTen did he job she didnt need to be uber mega pro, her specialty was throwing knives and she is basically in the same class as Temari, them being the top two Long distance fighters in most of the alliance. Her job is to relay messages, im not sure how much more you wanted her to do, oh yea lets not forget that she helped save the NA as many times as naruto has through relaying information, for rule of war destroy opponents communication and you win the battle, ino did her job and she did it well, arguably better then her father. Choji and his whole clan have been fat the entire series, i dont see our point with 2 women being fat. Karin helped save the kage, and so what if she fan girls for sauce naruto did the same thing for all of part 1 with sakura, and lee did the same thing for sakura as well...

It seems that women need to be the elite of the elite for them to be "equal" in quality to men, thats dumb.
 

Dark Link

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
1,356
Reaction score
72
He stated multiple times that he was terrible in making a female heroine.
 

giostep

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Nov 26, 2010
Messages
1,320
Reaction score
78
Why would he have to hate females?
I mean truth is that in that day and time men would usually be stronger then women. Its a male focused Manga. The fanbase is mainly male. Why should he curtail his manga to women? Is that his target audience? Tsunade wasnt the weakest Hokage, considering that Danzo was an interim Hokage for a moment, also why should it matter if she was only stronger then Kakashi? She should have been stronger the Hiruzen and Minato too? Mei isnt fodder but there just wasnt enough time to display her abilities. same can be said for the Raikage, he had mad potential and got out classed by a pre war Naruto just learning Kyuubi Powers, and then got out classed by a dead ninja (just like the rest of the Kage). TenTen did he job she didnt need to be uber mega pro, her specialty was throwing knives and she is basically in the same class as Temari, them being the top two Long distance fighters in most of the alliance. Her job is to relay messages, im not sure how much more you wanted her to do, oh yea lets not forget that she helped save the NA as many times as naruto has through relaying information, for rule of war destroy opponents communication and you win the battle, ino did her job and she did it well, arguably better then her father. Choji and his whole clan have been fat the entire series, i dont see our point with 2 women being fat. Karin helped save the kage, and so what if she fan girls for sauce naruto did the same thing for all of part 1 with sakura, and lee did the same thing for sakura as well...

It seems that women need to be the elite of the elite for them to be "equal" in quality to men, thats dumb.

Sorry for double post, but it can be stated that most of the women in Naruto are very shallow, but truth is that its the case for most of the characters. Aside from Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, Yamato, and Obito, there is no real back story for most of the characters, if there was any it was basically shoved into one manga, added to a filler, or mentioned breifly, think Gaara "my fired friend", Kushina xplaining naruto birth to him, jariya and the other sannin basically have no real backstory, the other kage also dont have one, and any character out side of the first 5 mentioned that do have one is basically empty. Madara backstory is that he didnt want his brother to die, and he didnt like the way he was being treated by the village, and the same goes for hashirama exceot he didnt want madara to attack the village, minato is basically all hype, Hiruzen has like no history even though he was the acting kage for all of part 1, I mean you cant cherry pick women, the entire character log is full of sub par character...
 

NineSNS

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Dec 6, 2012
Messages
6,848
Reaction score
791
1. Japanese cultural stereotype of women is that they are weak and male-centric
2. Shonen genre is written about male characters for a male audience; females are for decoration and reward
3. Kishi did ok with a few characters (Konan, Temari, Kushina, etc.) but horrible with important ones.

it almost seems that the stronger the character should have been, the more disappointing she was: Kaguya, Tsunade, and Sakura, for example.

And fan hype over a female because she is half of a pairing is not a compliment in a fictional universe that values power and skill acquisition.
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2014
Messages
788
Reaction score
47
I mean there are so many examples of how Kishi hates them.
-Tsunade is was the weakest Hokage until No MS Kakashi came in
-Sakura and Hinata are Fodders who either hide or cry
-Mei who had potential with her abilities looked like Fodder and only thinks about men
-TenTen...
-Ino is just a messenger for people basically
-Karui's Child is fat and obese, and now Anko too
-Karin is just a girl who lusts and fangirls over a guy


I think the only good, solid female character in Naruto is Temari...


XD

I love how you didn't even need to explain that one, hilarious.
 

Sugiyama

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
7,512
Reaction score
1,006
I won't say he hates them. He just doesn't understand how they actually are, or have a flawed view on them. And this is heavily emphasized by the way he portrayed Sakura, the Main female. He Said that he tried to make her realistic. So that was his idea of a realistic girl.
"The girl that once loves someone as little girl, can never forget about it"
"Moving on from a first love, would make her a terrible woman"

Not to mention he said that he doesn't know how to develop females himself. Even he acknowledges that fact.
 

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Reaction score
1,999
Ok its not hate. Its just that he does not know how to develop female characters. Its that simple really.
 

Rayder

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Dec 22, 2011
Messages
9,569
Reaction score
435
Most shonen have a couple of female characters who are weak or require saving all the time.
 

MinaButt

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
3,453
Reaction score
527
He doesn't hate women he just has a 1950's viewpoint of women. Which could be considered just plain sexist.
 

Gagster

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Messages
8,607
Reaction score
714
Naruto is extremely sexist.
First there’s the fact that to pretty much every team (with very few exceptions) there is two boys to every girl.There is one female hokage to now seven male hokages. Seems to be one female mizukage to six male and one female tsuchikage to three male. In Akatsuki, there is one female (even back when we see Akatsuki at its beginning is there only one female) to ten males. Taka has one female to three males. Pain’s paths also only include one woman. Out of nine jinchurikis, two are female. Out of the sannin, there is only one female to two male. In the entire Uchiha clan we only see one female.

So now we’ve established how ridiculously male-dominated the Naruto world is. What about the main female characters?

First of is Sakura. She’s the first female character properly introduced and I daresay she’s one of the characters who’s got the most development.
At the beginning, she is shown as inferior to her teammates but her itelligence is praised. She’s said to have an affinity for genjutsu (which we never get to see developed), she’s one of the only students who don’t have to cheat during the chunin exams.

One thing she gets equally with her teammates is the opportunity to train with a legendary sannin. The sannin in question is stated to be the weakest and unfortunately she is also the woman of the group. Nevertheless, Sakura becomes a highly skilled medical ninja, said to be one of the greatest alive, far surpassing Tsunade, her mentor. She never gets over her crush on Sasuke though, no matter what abuse her throws at her. In the epilogue she ends up marrying a man who’s tried to kill her several times.

Ino is introduced as Sakura’s rival in love. In the databooks we see that Ino have the highest score of her class (even surpassing Sasuke). Unfortunately, this is never stated in the series. Unlike Sakura, Ino seems to take charge of her team and is an unofficial leader. She also chooses to study medical jutsu later on. We don’t see much of Ino’s development. When her team has an arc focused on them, Shikamaru is the main character. There are lots of jokes cracked at Ino’s expense and she later marries Sai, who when they first met called her “homely”.
Then there’s Hinata. She is a very special case as she is given screentime focused exclusively on her clan and her role. Born as the heiress of the Hyuga clan, she is rejected by her father because she’s too weak (surprisingly, she is not rejected in favour of a man. Instead her little sister would be the heiress). Her infatuation with Naruto is introduced as her seeing herself in him, and honestly, that is quite believable for a thirteen year old girl. At first, this infatuation also does genuinely good. Hinata is able to overcome her personal troubles and though she loses her fight (of course) she has won in a personal sense. Unfortunately it only goes downhill from that. Hinata’s character is flanderized into her being obsessed with Naruto. Sometimes this works plotwise (as she gave him the inspiration necessary to beat Pain), but it remains obvious that Hinata’s character has been reduced to not only a lovesick girl, but a plot device.
Tenten is as far as I know the only main student from Naruto’s generation never to be given a last name. Her only appearances seem to involve throwing weapons and then get beaten. In her team’s arc, Rock Lee gets the focus. Tenten is said to idolize Tsunade and dreams of becoming hokage. At the end of the series, she’s opened up an unsuccessful weapons shop.
Those are the main female students. Let’s move on.

Out of these four teams, only one has a female leader.

Kurenai is introduced right when she’s become a jonin. She’s a genjutsu master but other than that we don’t get to know much about her. She took pity on Hinata when she was pretty much disowned and developed a sisterlike relationship with her. Kurenai’s only main fight is with Itachi Uchiha, who just so happens to be a genjutsu master as well. Kurenai is beaten and we don’t see her until it’s time for Shikamaru’s arc.
There, we find out that she’s Asuma’s lover and pregnant with his child. She disappears again and appears at the end with her now adult daughter. We see no signs of her still being a ninja and going by the ways of Naruto it’s safe to assume she became a housewife as well.

In the Uchiha clan, the only female we see is Mikoto, Sasuke and Itachi’s mother. She’s said in the databook to have been a jonin but we only ever see her as a housewife. And then she gets killed.
Akatsuki has from the beginning only had one female member. Konan is the last member to be revealed by name and she gets a fight with Jiraiya (her former teacher) who quickly immobilizes her.
Now, Konan’s character is very disturbing to me, especially since I love her. She’s introduced on the exact same level as Yahiko and Nagato, her teammates. They are orphans all three. They have all suffered equally under the war. Jiraiya finds them and takes it upon himself to train them. It’s shown that he treats them pretty equally (but Nagato is his favourite). Despite that, Konan devotes her entire life to these two men in her life and after Yahiko’s death she pretty much becomes Nagato’s shadow. It’s especially disturbing considering she’s shown in her main fight (which she lost) to be perhaps the strongest female character in the series.

Tsunade is introduced as Jiraiya and Orochimaru’s former teammate. As a legendary sannin, she is exceptionally skilled with taijutsu and medical jutsu.
When we first see her, she is a cynical, bitter drunk. During her character arc, we find out she had a little brother and a lover (who wanted to be hokage) who both died which caused her to pretty much give up on life. After she meets Naruto, he eventually wins her over and now Tsunade has a new male character to place her hope upon.

Tsunade becomes the first female hokage and seems to be doing a pretty good job. For some reason she leaves the position at around age sixty (pretty irrelevant since her abilities make her pretty much immortal). Age isn’t a matter anyways, considering how old the third hokage got. But of course Tsunade abdicates in order to let Kakashi be hokage (for all of five minutes off screen) and later Naruto. In her “dream”, she is shown accompanying her lover Dan, who’s Hokage.

Mei Terumi is introduced at age thirty when she only just became mizukage (as opposed to Tsunade who was fifty). Being an extremely powerful woman, she gets her moment to shine against Sasuke and she loses. Mei’s main woe seems to be how she can’t find love and when she abdicates (at age forty for seemingly no good reason) her only line in the epilogue is about how she can’t find a man.
Karin is the only female on team Taka as their medic, a very skilled one as well. Her personality seems to be rather abhorrent (and once, her ploy to basically rape Sasuke is played for laughs). However, she is revealed to be a distant relative of Naruto (a plot point which is never respolved) and we get an opportunity to see her vulnerable side when Sasuke tries to kill her after she saved his life. She disappears at the end and we still don’t know what happened to her.
Admittedly we don’t knw too much about Naruto’s mother Kushina, more than her fate of being the jinchuriki before him. We see her as a headstrong woman, who as a child wanted to be hokage. She got kidnapped and was saved by Naruto’s father Minato, who later became hokage while Kushina cheered him on. She dies with Minato after giving birth to Naruto.
Temari is Gaara’s older sister and she is introduced as perhaps the strongest female student of her generation. Her first (offscreen) fight is with Tenten and Temari wins. She loses to Shikamaru later, though. Not much more is said about Temari and she ends up marrying Shikamaru.
There are lots more, but I think this is good enough. There is a jarring theme in Naruto which seems to be that it’s okay for the women to dream big, as long as they’re content watching as their male lovers get to realize their dreams instead. Tenten is the only female shown actually having a job in the epilogue, an unsuccessful one at that. There is Kurenai’s daughter too, but we get to know absolutely nothing about her.

There is not a single woman in the series who gets to be inspired by their own worth. Sakura fights to catch up with Sasuke and Naruto. Hinata fights to catch up with Naruto. Karin fights to be with Sasuke, it goes on.

Kishimoto’s treatment of Sakura in the last chapter speaks volumes. It doesn’t matter what you do in the world of Naruto, if you’re a woman you better be content getting overshadowed by the men around you regardless of your own accomplishments.

She could have been working in a hospital, accompanied Naruto to the hokage meeting (I would have preferred the series ended with Naruto and Sasuke killing each other and Sakura becoming hokage). Instead, we get her cleaning her home.

**** you, Kishimoto.
 
Top