DMS Obito vs Reanimation itachi

[Romy9]

Burden of proof fallacy. The onus is on YOU to prove that Itachi can counter Kamui, based on what he has shown in the manga. Not some fantasy "ooh but if they fought he could counter it". Itachi has no way of countering Kamui from what we know, hence he loses.




Itachi doesn't have the necessary abilities to Kamui based on what we have seen. The only people who can beat 1 MS Obito are people with extreme speed, S/T users, Shadow clone spammers(in large quantities. Or other types of clone spamming),those with continuous attacks for 5 mins+(without stopping), or fellow Kamui users. Itachi has none of those things, hence he loses.

I'm not saying he could counter it 100%, after all this is a fantasy battle based solely on speculation. That being said, everyone is in the same shoes here. What we know is that Kamui is prone to counter once the opponent has intel.

Sure he does. His stats were at all almost at max, minus stamina in Part 1. Lol Itachi also utilizes hand seals which even a Sharingan can't follow. Again, that's why I'm saying you have to go back to basics. "Extreme speed" is questionable here because Naruto and Kakashi never used any extra great speed to counter Kamui. The argument doesn't hold any ground.

Dear sir
Kamui is not needed to defeat since DMS Obito will merely use his Gudo Dama Staff to destroy Itachi and the latter doesnt have Sage Mode to counter Gudo Dama

Yes, that's more plausible.

 

[Chazzi]

Which is obviously something that Itachi can't exploit.



And in a fantasy one on one battle between Naruto and Hagaromo, Naruto would most likely win. Doesn't change the fact that Hagaromo is still above him. Using baseless assumptions like "this is what would happen if they fought in the manga!" is not how vs threads work. Sorry.

So if Kishimoto thinks Itachi has a counter for kamui vs Obito in HIS manga it doesn't matter? Lol
If Kishi thinks Itachi has a counter for kamui (like he's shown he does) he has. This should be obvious.

 

[Romy9]

Also, the fact that Itachi constantly gets lumped in with Obito in VS. threads shows that people either believe he has a counter or Obito's fans are in doubt.

 

[Conspirator.]

I'm not saying he could counter it 100%, after all this is a fantasy battle based solely on speculation. That being said, everyone is in the same shoes here. What we know is that Kamui is prone to counter once the opponent has intel.

No. All the intel in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't have the ability to counter it. And Itachi doesn't have the ability to counter it based on what we have seen. Quite simple

Sure he does. His stats were at all almost at max, minus stamina in Part 1. Lol Itachi also utilizes hand seals which even a Sharingan can't follow. Again, that's why I'm saying you have to go back to basics. "Extreme speed" is questionable here because Naruto and Kakashi never used any extra great speed to counter Kamui. The argument doesn't hold any ground.

Did you read my post? I basically listed specific skills that counter kamui. I never said you needed all of them to do so. Naruto is a shadow clone spammer(and is also pretty fast himself, and Kakashi naturally counters Obito's kamui with his own. So no. neither of them need "extreme speed" to counter Kamui.

So if Kishimoto thinks Itachi has a counter for kamui vs Obito in HIS manga it doesn't matter? Lol

How does Itachi counter Kamui? There's nothing in the manga that even begins to imply that Itachi can counter, unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he can.(you can't)

 

[Romy9]

No. All the intel in the world doesn't mean jack if you don't have the ability to counter it. And Itachi doesn't have the ability to counter it based on what we have seen. Quite simple



Did you read my post? I basically listed specific skills that counter kamui. I never said you needed all of them to do so. Naruto is a shadow clone spammer(and is also pretty fast himself, and Kakashi naturally counters Obito's kamui with his own. So no. neither of them need "extreme speed" to counter Kamui.

Itachi has more than enough ability to counter it. I see now that you're downplaying.

I read them and you're wrong. Lol You don't need S/T or Hiraishin to counter it because Naruto and Kakashi didn't use such feats. It seems you have to read better. You have no arguments anymore. But good debate.

 

[Chazzi]

How does Itachi counter Kamui? There's nothing in the manga that even begins to imply that Itachi can counter, unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he can.(you can't)

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Scripted by Kishimoto, he thinks he has a counter. Its Kishis manga, you do the math.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

"Every jutsu has a weakness." Kamui wankers seriously need to wake up.

Itachi has no Senjutsu to counter Obito's Juubi Staff which is made out of Gudo Dama...unless you think otherwise

 

[Romy9]

Itachi has no Senjutsu to counter Obito's Juubi Staff which is made out of Gudo Dama...unlese you think otherwise

Nah, we got carried away with basic Kamui. I think DMS Obito takes this.

 

[Conspirator.]

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Scripted by Kishimoto, he thinks he has a counter. Its Kishis manga, you do the math.

That movie wasn't canon, so no that doesn't count. Sorry.

 

[Romy9]

That movie wasn't canon. so no that doesn't count. Sorry.

And this thread is canon? Isn't it about time you started using logic? Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

2 pages and I've yet to see a real argument as to how Itachi beats Obito.

 

[Romy9]

2 pages and I've yet to see a real argument as to how Itachi beats Obito.

Same for Obito beating Itachi. As far as Kamui is concerned. DMS Obito takes this though.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ As long as you agree that DMS Obito wins. But I have a question. Did Kishimoto really write Road to Ninja?

 

[Romy9]

^ As long as you agree that DMS Obito wins. But I have a question. Did Kishimoto really write Road to Ninja?

Yep, he did. Otherwise, that wouldn't even be an argument. Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Hmmm, interesting. You guys might have a point there.

 

[Romy9]

Hmmm, interesting. You guys might have a point there.

As long as we're on logic and reasoning.

 

[Draphsin]

Again, try to read it.

Oh believe me I read it, I know everything about it, & still nothing tells me that itachi can counter it.

The reasoning and logic tells us that Kamui has a weakness.

& Again that same reasoning & logic tells us that itachi has no way to exploit those weaknesses.

Also, in a fantasy battle between them according to Kishimoto, Itachi obviously has a way to deal with it. Lol

Fanfiction, until you show me feats you're simply spouting. Itachi has nothing in his arsenal that allows him to deal with kamui, & this fantasy battle you're talking about doesn't even exist. Give me strategies, otherwise he gets warped, that's how it works.

 

[VongolaX]

1 MS Obito is enough. DMS is too much.

So trueeee

Obito soloes with black rods for Edo itachi


DMS would just send him off to Kaguya's acid dimension

GG

 

[VongolaX]

All ms technique itachi has is pointless

Tsukyomi gets negged because of this:

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Amatersu gets negged:

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Already countered it

Even Susanoo has been proven futile as well:

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Itachi has nothing to beat him here.

All these fans have are a hyped road to ninja scene of a ghost Obito leaving itachi.

There was no explanations of a counter, fanfic, and that wasn't even intangible Kumai Obito.

He was a ghost throughout the whole movie, intangibility is only five minutes Lol.

To add insult to injury...

The "intangible," Obito used warp Kumai to leave XD...

It didn't dawn on anyone's brain that you can't warp and remain intangible at the same time?

It's a reverse world, there are limitations to what Obito can do in that limited tsukyomi world.

I mean look at pein, he's not even leader and Sasori is using kankoro's puppets.

My god fanboys are weak... :leaf:

 

[Gamaken]

Dms Obito feats:

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Outcome of the match:

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XD XD XD

OT: Izanami might work.