Asura vs Hashirama

[XY iNVeRSe]

So what if he has godu dama.. Hashirama has Mokuton.. something you can only get by being the jinchuriki, or from hashii's dna.. .


So what if he has godu dama.. you haven't shown us where his godu dama = Naruto's godu-dama.

gudo dama is gudo dama is non existent until you obtain six paths senjutsu.

gudo dama negate reality and just one of them as small as a rasengan has the potential to wipe out a forest, where as all hashi does is create forests.

mokuton isnt invincible idk y u keep bringing it up like its doing anything.

 

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@bold, pulled out of your ass now?



Rasengan = Minato's technique = used by Naruto... so Naruto yells rasengan, means Minato's rasengan is on Naruto's levvel.. shitty reasoning mate.

Well Rasengan isn't named Minato's ball of rotation. Sasuke's attack was literally called, "Indra's Arrow".

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Even if the attacks are stronger than Indra's or Ashura's, if Sasuke got into a fight with Indra and they both used this, who would win? Indra, simply because Sasuke was nearly out of chakra after 1 use, right after receiving the biggest power-up in the series. So...? What does that say?

Naruto's attack doesn't even have to be related to Ashura because he could only negate the power of Indra's arrow, not completely over-power it. It took all of his chakra to simply negate the attack which puts him in the same situation of Sasuke not being able to fight after preforming one attack within the arsenal of Indra.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

his gudo dama doesnt have to be equal to naruto's, in fact he has more, databook clarifies what its capable of and hashi gets wrecked.

 

[Conspirator.]

Sure just show me where Ashura's avatar is rikudou enhanced chakra. Because i can easily claim, Hashirama has juubi enhanced chakra because he can do mokuton. It doesn't take much to make BS and spread it as a fact on this website.

I suggest you go back and re read the manga. It was stated in the manga that they inherited Hagaromo's chakra. Both Ashura and Indra have Hago's chakra. Indra's PS has horns, which is related to Rikudo's chakra, and which is something that Sasuke only got after receiving a power up from Rikudo himself. Ashura has the black balls along with his massive chakra avatar, and Gudo damas can only be used by those who have Rikudo's chakra. Sorry buddy, but Ashura/Indra>>>>>>>EMS madara/Hashirama.

Even if the attacks are stronger than Indra's or Ashura's, if Sasuke got into a fight with Indra and they both used this, who would win? Indra, simply because Sasuke was nearly out of chakra after 1 use, right after receiving the biggest power-up in the series. So...? What does that say?

The attack being named "indra's arrow" doesn't prove that Indra himself possessed it. Sasuke could have just named it after his ancestor. Futhermore, even if Indra did have it, there's no evidence that it was as strong Sasuke's which was fuelled by the chakra of 9 bijuus. The only reason Sasuke was "nearly out of chakra after 1 use" was because the power of Naruto's attack stalemated with his, and caused him a lot of physical damage. Stamina is related to chakra levels, so if you take damage from attacks, your chakra level decreases.

Naruto's attack doesn't even have to be related to Ashura because he could only negate the power of Indra's arrow, not completely over-power it. It took all of his chakra to simply negate the attack which puts him in the same situation of Sasuke not being able to fight after preforming one attack within the arsenal of Indra.

But Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than Ashura/Indra though. Since they not only got half of Hagaromo's chakra directly, but Naruto absorbed lots of excess nature energy and Sasuke used the bijuus to further augment their power ups.

 

[KingHashirama]

I suggest you go back and re read the manga. It was stated in the manga that they inherited Hagaromo's chakra. Both Ashura and Indra have Hago's chakra. Indra's PS has horns, which is related to Rikudo's chakra, and which is something that Sasuke only got after receiving a power up from Rikudo himself. Ashura has the black balls along with his massive chakra avatar, and Gudo damas can only be used by those who have Rikudo's chakra. Sorry buddy, but Ashura/Indra>>>>>>>EMS madara/Hashirama.

Just like the entire shinobi world has inherited Juubi's chakra? come again.

Mokuton can only be possessed by those who have the peak of yang chakra.. which wasn't Ashura... so come again.


Ahh your whole argument is based on "horns".. its funny that only Madara is stated to be the sole user of perfect susanoo.. And I assume you also believe Indra's PS = Sasuke's PS right? and thus Naruto's cloak = Ashura's cloak?

his gudo dama doesnt have to be equal to naruto's, in fact he has more, databook clarifies what its capable of and hashi gets wrecked.

Again godu dama =/= COAT.. damn man.

 

[Conspirator.]

Just like the entire shinobi world has inherited Juubi's chakra? come again

No evidence that the modern day shinobi have chakra that is anywhere near as potent as the Juubi. That's as moronic as me stating that the entire Uchiha clan has Indra's chakra, or that the Senju clan all has Ashura's chakra and by extension are all as powerful as him, just because they were ones who started that blood line.

Mokuton can only be possessed by those who have the peak of yang chakra.. which wasn't Ashura... so come again.

All irrelevant when Gudo damas, plus a rikudo enhanced battle avatar take a dump on all of Hashirama's mokuton.

Ahh your whole argument is based on "horns".. its funny that only Madara is stated to be the sole user of perfect susanoo.. And I assume you also believe Indra's PS = Sasuke's PS right? and thus Naruto's cloak = Ashura's cloak?

That's the visual representation that proves that Indra had Hagaromo's chakra.
-Indra's PS had horns
-Sasuke's PS got horns AFTER getting Rikudo's chakra

Do the math. And no, Sasuke's PS with the bijuu is definitely>>Indra's. Even without it it's probably greater since he got chakra from Hagaromo directly. (half of it)

Ashura also had Rikudo chakra, since it's manga fact that Rikudo chakra is needed to form Gudo damas. No, Naruto's cloak>>Ashura's cloak since:

A: He has more Rikudo chakra than Ashura
B: Absorbed lots of nature energy from the planet, to further boost his initial avatar

Again godu dama =/= COAT.. damn man.

No shit sherlock, but Rikudo's chakra is needed to use the Gudo damas in the first place.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Well, the wood dragon is about as big as Kyuubi Avatars. Ashura's avatar is about the same size, maybe slightly smaller. Meanwhile, the Shinsuusenju has a wood dragon as a hair accessory.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Well, the wood dragon is about as big as Kyuubi Avatars. Ashura's avatar is about the same size, maybe slightly smaller. Meanwhile, the Shinsuusenju has a wood dragon as a hair accessory.

asura has flight and tsb he can just throw at hashi each which have an explosion equal to destroying a forrest.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

asura has flight and tsb he can just throw at hashi each which have an explosion equal to destroying a forrest.

Thats cute. Hashirama, meanwhile, still has a giant statue that can swat Ashura (Who cannot fly) out of the air, and has fists the size of a forest (Which cannot be destroyed by Gudou Dama's that do not exist).


I never thought i would be debating for hashirama, but then the Ootsutsuki's came along.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Thats cute. Hashirama, meanwhile, still has a giant statue that can swat Ashura (Who cannot fly) out of the air, and has fists the size of a forest (Which cannot be destroyed by Gudou Dama's that do not exist).


I never thought i would be debating for hashirama, but then the Ootsutsuki's came along.

no matter what asura>hashi

when the anime comes maybe we'll see more of their abilities

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

no matter what asura>hashi

when the anime comes maybe we'll see more of their abilities

But as the anime has not come, Ashura's abilitys are NOTHING. Meanwhile, HASHIRAMA HAS FEATS. ASHURA DOES NOT. WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

But as the anime has not come, Ashura's abilitys are NOTHING. Meanwhile, HASHIRAMA HAS FEATS. ASHURA DOES NOT. WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD?

that asura is stronger than hashi

 

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Since he has gudodama he negs with common sense of use

 

[KisuneUchiha]

i'll start with asura.

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this is naruto's avatar (except not as many spheres as asura) someone who is competing with someone on old man hagoromo's level.

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then its indra's level.

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along with sasuke's strongest tech, his arrow U_U

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The outcome of that power.

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That first scan... It proves how large Indra Susanoo was... Both Indra and Ashura are the same size, but Indra Susanoo makes Ashura cloak look like a midget...

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

that asura is stronger than hashi

Meanwhile, in the real world, Hashirama has feats, Ashura does not. Back in Lala land, sure, Ashura is stronger than Hashirama. But here, No. Hashirama has a giant statue. The giant statue makes Madara's perfect Susanoo look tiny. Madara's perfect susanoo is much bigger than Indra's perfect susanoo. Ashura's avatar is the size of Indra's Perfect susanoo's head.

Ashura's combat avatar is going up against a giant statue with fists the size of Ashura's combat avatar. That is their best feats thrown at eachother, and HOW THE HELL IS ASHURA THE ONE WINNING?

Also, change your (I Think) Status. You are nether debating nor unbiased.

 

[Shanks]

Hashirama will easily beat Ashura .. Why do i say this because in kishi's manga it foreshadows Younger Generation are way better than Old Generation .

Hashi should win this.

 

[HENI]

Ashura is way stronger.

 

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Naruto needed Hagoromo's Yang power and gather valley Natural Energy to be on Ashura's level; while Sasuke needed to merge the Bijuu's power together with his Yin power to be on Indra's Level. That's how powerful the sons were.

Fodderama is only fraction of Ashura's power.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Naruto needed Hagoromo's Yang power and gather valley Natural Energy to be on Ashura's level; while Sasuke needed to merge the Bijuu's power together with his Yin power to be on Indra's Level. That's how powerful the sons were.

Fodderama is only fraction of Ashura's power.

What in the blue hell is Ashura's level.. rofl.

 

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Naruto needed Hagoromo's Yang power and gather valley Natural Energy to be on Ashura's level; while Sasuke needed to merge the Bijuu's power together with his Yin power to be on Indra's Level. That's how powerful the sons were.

Fodderama is only fraction of Ashura's power.

No that seal from Hago's powers not Ashura. I don't even think he is stronger than hashiama . His Wood releases from Ten Tail Powers that shows Hashi was that strong .