Asuma was the best Jounin teacher..

[KingHashirama]

Except none of them had perfect chakra control, so that's irrelevant.

He taught just one of them on one occasion. Occasion demanded Kakashi help them improve on their strength, and he had a choice:
1. Pay attention to just Sasuke because their styles complimented each other and Sasuke could get a big benefit, while leaving Naruto with someone who could teach him what he wanted to learn and was better suited for his style

2. Teach both of them at once, not allowing either to get the full potential they could have gotten with the first option.

Yeah, you'd be a great Jonin, KH.

Actually sakura was skilled in chakra control. Even kakashi doesn't perfect chakra control.. so he wouldn't have been able to teach it to them.. and which goes back to my point.. the training was only relevant to Naruto and Sasuke.. who really sucked in controlling chakra.

1. Again, why the hell do you keep repeating "Styles".. rofl. Thats irrelevant.. idk why you are still stuck on it. If hes training people for styles.. then hes a bad teacher.. rofl. Jiraiya is a good teacher.. never specialized in a single person when he was teaching a team. Hiruzen was partially a good teacher. He left Naruto with Ebisu.. Ebisu is nothing like Naruto's style. Furthermore, "style" is dependent on the training.. If Naruto was taught as a fast paced ninja with chidori.. he would've became one.

2. So teaching 2 people = not being able to get them to full pontential? what? In fact in combat.. thats what gets people to their full potential.. lol.


You keep on talking about "occasion demanded".. whats funny Occasion demanded him to teach both. Why? Because he was their god damn teacher.

 

[Mypower]

I'm not a whiner but a critic.



Kaguya not seeing through a transformation Jutsu or using her chakra arms or hair to defend herself is massive CIS and PIS.

Nah you're a whiner deal with it.
Too bad mate Kaguya get rekt.

 

[EPICMenma]

For once, i completely agree with you.
10/10 thread.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Actually sakura was skilled in chakra control. Even kakashi doesn't perfect chakra control.. so he wouldn't have been able to teach it to them.. and which goes back to my point.. the training was only relevant to Naruto and Sasuke.. who really sucked in controlling chakra.

1. Again, why the hell do you keep repeating "Styles".. rofl. Thats irrelevant.. idk why you are still stuck on it. If hes training people for styles.. then hes a bad teacher.. rofl. Jiraiya is a good teacher.. never specialized in a single person when he was teaching a team. Hiruzen was partially a good teacher. He left Naruto with Ebisu.. Ebisu is nothing like Naruto's style. Furthermore, "style" is dependent on the training.. If Naruto was taught as a fast paced ninja with chidori.. he would've became one.

2. So teaching 2 people = not being able to get them to full pontential? what? In fact in combat.. thats what gets people to their full potential.. lol.


You keep on talking about "occasion demanded".. whats funny Occasion demanded him to teach both. Why? Because he was their god damn teacher.

Relatively good chakra control, as in, for a Genin. It's not impressive compared to everyone else. Point still irrelevant.

Naruto's style, at the time, was using Shadow Clones to overwhelm the opponent, and Naruto wanted training to walk on water. Ebisu, who also used clones, fit that style.

Training two people with separate styles would produce less progress for them as opposed to training one of them and focusing on their style only. That's why he picked Sasuke and left Naruto with Ebisu. They'd get full attention, and Sasuke would get someone who could increase his style. If training produced style, then Kakashi wouldn't have mentioned their different styles to Naruto. The occasion demanded that they increase on a current strength. Focusing on the one who fit his style allowed Kakashi to do this better than he would have if he was focusing on both and dividing his attention. The fact that Naruto and Sasuke operate differently means he'd have to go back and forth between the two. It'd be like a coach trying to teach one athlete volleyball and the other soccer at the same time. It wouldn't work as well as taking on the athlete in the sport he's better at and letting the other one train with a coach better at that sport.

 

[KingHashirama]

Relatively good chakra control, as in, for a Genin. It's not impressive compared to everyone else. Point still irrelevant.

Naruto's style, at the time, was using Shadow Clones to overwhelm the opponent, and Naruto wanted training to walk on water. Ebisu, who also used clones, fit that style.

Training two people with separate styles would produce less progress for them as opposed to training one of them and focusing on their style only. That's why he picked Sasuke and left Naruto with Ebisu. They'd get full attention, and Sasuke would get someone who could increase his style. If training produced style, then Kakashi wouldn't have mentioned their different styles to Naruto. The occasion demanded that they increase on a current strength. Focusing on the one who fit his style allowed Kakashi to do this better than he would have if he was focusing on both and dividing his attention. The fact that Naruto and Sasuke operate differently means he'd have to go back and forth between the two. It'd be like a coach trying to teach one athlete volleyball and the other soccer at the same time. It wouldn't work as well as taking on the athlete in the sport he's better at and letting the other one train with a coach better at that sport.

Kakashi walked on water, kakashi used clones = kakashi fit that style also then.


It really does not. Kakashi was doing nothing more than simply instructing Sasuke. He was not behind sasuke, helping sasuke move inch by inch. He was standing and instructing Sasuke. << While Kakashi was standing, he also would've been able to instruct Naruto. If Naruto had learned about the clone learning technique.. then he also would have been able to train harder.. and thus pushing Sasuke to even go farther.. as an end result = Naruto and Sasuke both much stronger than they were before the exams.

So again, if Jiraiya never showed up, Naruto would've been wrecked by Neji.

Naruto and Sasuke both play the same sport, they also play the same position, only have different styles in that position. A good coach uses that to push both of them further ( i have personally experienced this sort of training.)

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Nah you're a whiner deal with it.
Too bad mate Kaguya get rekt.

I see you have no counter to my points. I'm glad you admit to was CIS and PIS that won that fight.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kakashi walked on water, kakashi used clones = kakashi fit that style also then.


It really does not. Kakashi was doing nothing more than simply instructing Sasuke. He was not behind sasuke, helping sasuke move inch by inch. He was standing and instructing Sasuke. << While Kakashi was standing, he also would've been able to instruct Naruto. If Naruto had learned about the clone learning technique.. then he also would have been able to train harder.. and thus pushing Sasuke to even go farther.. as an end result = Naruto and Sasuke both much stronger than they were before the exams.

So again, if Jiraiya never showed up, Naruto would've been wrecked by Neji.

Naruto and Sasuke both play the same sport, they also play the same position, only have different styles in that position. A good coach uses that to push both of them further ( i have personally experienced this sort of training.)

It's not Kakashi's main style. He can't use clones as freely as Ebisu could, so he'd have been better to train Naruto in a style involving clones.

And if he was instructing Naruto at the same time, Sasuke wouldn't have improved as much, and Naruto potentially wouldn't have either. That's why choosing one was the better option.

And? I could just as easily say if Kakashi had given Sasuke less attention, he'd have less instruction, less improvement, and gotten wrecked by Gaara. If Kakashi had trained them together, Naruto's chakra control also would have most likely still been contaminated by Orochimaru's seal, and Naruto would have lost to Neji anyway. Kakashi's intuition to separate them and leave Naruto with Ebisu worked out for the best after all, so he does know what he's doing.

No, they don't. They are both athletes, but play very different sports. Naruto overwhelming the opponent with numbers and Sasuke using ninjutsu and taijutsu skill. They fight differently, which means Kakashi would have had to do two types of instruction at the same time, which is less beneficial in the long run.

 

[KingHashirama]

It's not Kakashi's main style. He can't use clones as freely as Ebisu could, so he'd have been better to train Naruto in a style involving clones.

And if he was instructing Naruto at the same time, Sasuke wouldn't have improved as much, and Naruto potentially wouldn't have either. That's why choosing one was the better option.

And? I could just as easily say if Kakashi had given Sasuke less attention, he'd have less instruction, less improvement, and gotten wrecked by Gaara. If Kakashi had trained them together, Naruto's chakra control also would have most likely still been contaminated by Orochimaru's seal, and Naruto would have lost to Neji anyway. Kakashi's intuition to separate them and leave Naruto with Ebisu worked out for the best after all, so he does know what he's doing.

No, they don't. They are both athletes, but play very different sports. Naruto overwhelming the opponent with numbers and Sasuke using ninjutsu and taijutsu skill. They fight differently, which means Kakashi would have had to do two types of instruction at the same time, which is less beneficial in the long run.

He can use them better. Its funny it was kakashi himself who later on told Naruto how to use his clones better. << couldn't do it in part 1 aye.. i'm sure he didn't have 10 minutes at the least.. lolll.


Tho manga shows them improving faster when they are being instructed at the same time.

What Kakashi can't give equal attention to both? it would've affected Sasuke only if Sasuke was looking for attention.. which he was not.
You keep saying it would've been best without providing any backing to it. Also, you fail to show where Kakashi was on Sasuke's ass 24/7 with 0 minutes to spare.. yes Naruto would've learned best from a guy who he didn't want to be taught from.. what a wonderful job Kakashi.. rofl. And also, i'm pretty sure Kakashi would've done something Oro's seal.. he was able to do something the CM. Leaving Naruto with ebisu worked out the best because of Jiraiya.

atheletes = fighters = naruto and sasuke

sports = ninja and samurai = both are ninja

positions = front line, support and so on = both fight on the front lines

style = endurance vs speed = just have a bit different ways they fight..


No Kakashi would've just gave Naruto instruction, instead of chilling back and relaxing. Furthermore he does have "kage bunshin".

 

[Punk Hazard]

He can use them better. Its funny it was kakashi himself who later on told Naruto how to use his clones better. << couldn't do it in part 1 aye.. i'm sure he didn't have 10 minutes at the least.. lolll.


Tho manga shows them improving faster when they are being instructed at the same time.

What Kakashi can't give equal attention to both? it would've affected Sasuke only if Sasuke was looking for attention.. which he was not.
You keep saying it would've been best without providing any backing to it. Also, you fail to show where Kakashi was on Sasuke's ass 24/7 with 0 minutes to spare.. yes Naruto would've learned best from a guy who he didn't want to be taught from.. what a wonderful job Kakashi.. rofl. And also, i'm pretty sure Kakashi would've done something Oro's seal.. he was able to do something the CM. Leaving Naruto with ebisu worked out the best because of Jiraiya.

atheletes = fighters = naruto and sasuke

sports = ninja and samurai = both are ninja

positions = front line, support and so on = both fight on the front lines

style = endurance vs speed = just have a bit different ways they fight..


No Kakashi would've just gave Naruto instruction, instead of chilling back and relaxing. Furthermore he does have "kage bunshin".

And funny how he was only able to do that because it was training that complimented Kakashi's style.

When training for the same thing, i.e., chakra control. Then, they were doing different things. Point refuted.

No one said he couldn't give equal attention to both, but that it would be less than the amount of he could have given individually. Less instruction can result in less results.

What Kakashi did to the CM seal was place a seal on it that stopped it from leaking chakra, which is exactly what Oro's seal did to Kurama. There's no indication that Kakashi could have reversed Orochimaru's seal. Oro even commented that it was remarkable Kakashi could do Fuinnjutsu, so it's not likely that he had a bunch of Fuinnjutsu skill at his disposal.

It still worked out, so good on Kakashi's intuition.

Both are athletes=both are ninjas
Different styles of being ninjas=Different sports.

 

[KingHashirama]

And funny how he was only able to do that because it was training that complimented Kakashi's style.

When training for the same thing, i.e., chakra control. Then, they were doing different things. Point refuted.

No one said he couldn't give equal attention to both, but that it would be less than the amount of he could have given individually. Less instruction can result in less results.

What Kakashi did to the CM seal was place a seal on it that stopped it from leaking chakra, which is exactly what Oro's seal did to Kurama. There's no indication that Kakashi could have reversed Orochimaru's seal. Oro even commented that it was remarkable Kakashi could do Fuinnjutsu, so it's not likely that he had a bunch of Fuinnjutsu skill at his disposal.

It still worked out, so good on Kakashi's intuition.

Both are athletes=both are ninjas
Different styles of being ninjas=Different sports.

What in the blue hell is Kakashi's style then... Rofl. Dude...... Naruto's style never changed.. not once.


What Sasuke needs attention while hes doing shit on his own , and Kakashi's in the sun standing? Lol what?


You are making excuses to justify actions, but it doesn't justify him being a good teacher.. because those actions aren't that of a good teacher. If a student has an exam, and one of them is more on the read books and so on.. like the teacher.. and then that teachers gives special tutoring to that student alone, while saying go learn from another from teacher to the other students.. HOW IS THAT BEING A GOOD TEACHER? lol.

no i recall Oro saying it was remarkable Kakashi could do something about the curse mark, not fuinjutsu in general.

Its not about if it worked out.. It didn't work out cause of Kakashi.. lol. It worked out of other ninja like Jiraiya or Gamabunta.. lol. Not cause of Kakashi lol.



then what is being a samurai? .. is samurai = being a chef? being a business man? Ninja and samurai both fall in the catregory of FIGHTERS.. just likes all sports people fall in the category of Athletes.

Ninja = Football = Naruto and Sasuke = quarterbacks = Sasuke use strategy , while Naruto is more on intuition = both get trained by the coach.

Samurai = Basketball

 

[Punk Hazard]

What in the blue hell is Kakashi's style then... Rofl. Dude...... Naruto's style never changed.. not once.


What Sasuke needs attention while hes doing shit on his own , and Kakashi's in the sun standing? Lol what?


You are making excuses to justify actions, but it doesn't justify him being a good teacher.. because those actions aren't that of a good teacher. If a student has an exam, and one of them is more on the read books and so on.. like the teacher.. and then that teachers gives special tutoring to that student alone, while saying go learn from another from teacher to the other students.. HOW IS THAT BEING A GOOD TEACHER? lol.

no i recall Oro saying it was remarkable Kakashi could do something about the curse mark, not fuinjutsu in general.

Its not about if it worked out.. It didn't work out cause of Kakashi.. lol. It worked out of other ninja like Jiraiya or Gamabunta.. lol. Not cause of Kakashi lol.



then what is being a samurai? .. is samurai = being a chef? being a business man? Ninja and samurai both fall in the catregory of FIGHTERS.. just likes all sports people fall in the category of Athletes.

Ninja = Football = Naruto and Sasuke = quarterbacks = Sasuke use strategy , while Naruto is more on intuition = both get trained by the coach.

Samurai = Basketball

Elemental ninjutsu with shape manipulation.

I see you don't get how teaching works then. Why do we even have teachers, amirite?

Right, doing that thing that one time makes him a bad teacher, you're right.

No, being a samurai and being a ninja=being an athlete.
Being a ninja=being one particular kind of athlete, being a samurai=another. For example, ninjas=basketball, volleyball, baseball. Samurai=gymnastics, wrestling, boxing. Let's see if you get the analogy.

Oh man, well you oughta improve on that memory bud

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[KingHashirama]

Elemental ninjutsu with shape manipulation.

I see you don't get how teaching works then. Why do we even have teachers, amirite?

Right, doing that thing that one time makes him a bad teacher, you're right.

No, being a samurai and being a ninja=being an athlete.
Being a ninja=being one particular kind of athlete, being a samurai=another. For example, ninjas=basketball, volleyball, baseball. Samurai=gymnastics, wrestling, boxing. Let's see if you get the analogy.

Oh man, well you oughta improve on that memory bud

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Gymnastics /wrestling/boxing = atheletes.. You can only be a different type of an athelete..if you have something you specialize in.. if Naruto and Sasuke are ninja.. then they play the same sport.. lol.
You gave a bad analogy.

"Why do we even have teachers amrite".. i should be asking that.. because from you.. we should obviously be having home personal tutors not teachers.




Ah, i'll try to get the Viz scan of that translation XD. (though i can be wrong on it, soo i shall give you that if Viz turns out to be the same.)

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gymnastics /wrestling/boxing = atheletes.. You can only be a different type of an athelete..if you have something you specialize in.. if Naruto and Sasuke are ninja.. then they play the same sport.. lol.
You gave a bad analogy.

"Why do we even have teachers amrite".. i should be asking that.. because from you.. we should obviously be having home personal tutors not teachers.




Ah, i'll try to get the Viz scan of that translation XD. (though i can be wrong on it, soo i shall give you that if Viz turns out to be the same.)

Once again, that's not true. They're both the same kind of athlete, but that doesn't mean it's the same sport. For example, they can both be cardio athletes, but one be basketball and the other track and field.

Glad to see you missing the point, guess sarcasm doesn't make it clear for everyone. The point is, if it's just Kakashi standing in the sun while Sasuke does everything, then he's not really teaching. With Naruto, it'd be the same thing, according to you, teaching is dumb period as it's just ¨standing in the sun.¨

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

But Jiraiya didn't randomly bump into Naruto and you'd be a fool to think so.

1) Because in the show there is a scene where Jiraiya comes to Kakashi on a rooftop and says leave Naruto to me. And he debriefs him about that Akatsuki. Maybe it was anime only, idk. I didn't read the manga back in the like 2007, but I know it's in the anime for sure.

2) Jiraiya was always going to come back for Naruto. He was basically his godfather/grandfather. He knows exactly who he is, and what Naruto needed to learn.

I don't see how you can really think them bumping into each other was random, and that Kakashi didn't know about it.

As for Sakura, yea he probably dropped the ball. In fairness to him though, all the Jonin teachers seem to put treat their kunoichi like that, except Kurenai obviously.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But Jiraiya didn't randomly bump into Naruto and you'd be a fool to think so.

1) Because in the show there is a scene where Jiraiya comes to Kakashi on a rooftop and says leave Naruto to me. And he debriefs him about that Akatsuki. Maybe it was anime only, idk. I didn't read the manga back in the like 2007, but I know it's in the anime for sure.

2) Jiraiya was always going to come back for Naruto. He was basically his godfather/grandfather. He knows exactly who he is, and what Naruto needed to learn.

I don't see how you can really think them bumping into each other was random, and that Kakashi didn't know about it.

As for Sakura, yea he probably dropped the ball. In fairness to him though, all the Jonin teachers seem to put treat their kunoichi like that, except Kurenai obviously.

The meeting happened in Part 2.