Manga explains this quite explicitely. Check this out.
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It doesn't have anything to do with bloodline. It's related to the personality of the transmigrant. So in this case, this questioning line is unrelated to the current thread.
your saying that it has nothing to do with the trainsmigrant bloodline but then in your theory that uzumaki are from hamura your providing the proof that they originated from the senju clan.
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here you see that zetsu mention that he approach the transmigrant of each clan, so that he could awaken the rinnegan, and from what we learn only the blood lines of the sage of the six path can awaken the rinnegan.
Nagato who was an uzumaki had the ability to use the rinnegan because zetsu said he was related to the senju clan, the senju clan who is related to hagoromo who had the rinnegan
the hyuuga it seems existed even before hamura was born, and Hamura was said to went to the moon with the otsutsuki clan to protect the seal of kaguya, this here is the major flaw in your theory, how can the uzumaki be from hamura if he was on the moon
hamura most likely didn't even have any children, he was on the moon protecting kaguya seal with the otsutsuki clan.
your saying that it has nothing to do with the trainsmigrant bloodline but then in your theory that uzumaki are from hamura your providing the proof that they originated from the senju clan.
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here you see that zetsu mention that he approach the transmigrant of each clan, so that he could awaken the rinnegan, and from what we learn only the blood lines of the sage of the six path can awaken the rinnegan.
Nagato who was an uzumaki had the ability to use the rinnegan because zetsu said he was related to the senju clan, the senju clan who is related to hagoromo who had the rinnegan
the hyuuga it seems existed even before hamura was born, and Hamura was said to went to the moon with the otsutsuki clan to protect the seal of kaguya, this here is the major flaw in your theory, how can the uzumaki be from hamura if he was on the moon
hamura most likely didn't even have any children, he was on the moon protecting kaguya seal with the otsutsuki clan.
a) Your hypotesis that the Rinnegan is awakened by the Six Paths bloodline is wrong. The Sage said that Indra and Ashura chakra is needed. Not the blood. Take care with that, since it seems BZ was unaware of this special property of transmigration.
b) Uzumaki was related to the Senju, I agree with this. But I don't agree with the Uzumaki being created by the Senju, because it was told that Uzumaki and Senju are distant blood-relative. Do your homework and read my previous posts. I don't want to repeat the meaning of consanguinity.
c) Effectively, the Hyuuga are a threat to my postulation. The leaks spoke about them being possibly from another dimension, just like the Ootsutsuki. And I even admited it in a previous post, since I spoke about "conjecture".
d) How can the Uzumaki be from Hagoromo Lineage if it was told that...
- Uzumaki were from the Senju bloodline, not lineage
- They were distant blood relatives to the Senju, not direct blood relatives (ergo, there is no possible way for a Senju to create the Uzumaki Clan, but they still share some DNA properties from another common ancestor, ergo, they are distant cousins)
Of course, Hamura was my first bet. But I also stated that someone of a deeper level could have been the one who created the Uzumaki, for example, Kaguya's siblings, or Kaguya's aunt/uncle. If some of them initiated the Uzumaki, the distant blood-relationship could still have been mantained.
Also, as I said earlier, you can't ensure that Hamura didn't have sons in the earth. May I ask you, how do you think Toneri lost the main characteristic of the Ootsutsuki Lineage: The horns in his head?
There are so many great arguments pointing to either Hagoromo or Hurama, but I don't see anyone pointing out that Naruto had a father and that no one really knows Minato's lineage. Possibility of Naruto being a decendant (on both mother and father side) to Hamura is very possible if Kishi ever decides to reveal his past. But, if Hurama had the original Byakugan and Naruto doesn't. Could the bloodline have been deluded so much that his Byakugan still lay dormant?
a) Your hypotesis that the Rinnegan is awakened by the Six Paths bloodline is wrong. The Sage said that Indra and Ashura chakra is needed. Not the blood. Take care with that, since it seems BZ was unaware of this special property of transmigration.
b) Uzumaki was related to the Senju, I agree with this. But I don't agree with the Uzumaki being created by the Senju, because it was told that Uzumaki and Senju are distant blood-relative. Do your homework and read my previous posts. I don't want to repeat the meaning of consanguinity.
c) Effectively, the Hyuuga are a threat to my postulation. The leaks spoke about them being possibly from another dimension, just like the Ootsutsuki. And I even admited it in a previous post, since I spoke about "conjecture".
d) How can the Uzumaki be from Hagoromo Lineage if it was told that...
- Uzumaki were from the Senju bloodline, not lineage
- They were distant blood relatives to the Senju, not direct blood relatives (ergo, there is no possible way for a Senju to create the Uzumaki Clan, but they still share some DNA properties from another common ancestor, ergo, they are distant cousins)
Of course, Hamura was my first bet. But I also stated that someone of a deeper level could have been the one who created the Uzumaki, for example, Kaguya's siblings, or Kaguya's aunt/uncle. If some of them initiated the Uzumaki, the distant blood-relationship could still have been mantained.
Also, as I said earlier, you can't ensure that Hamura didn't have sons in the earth. May I ask you, how do you think Toneri lost the main characteristic of the Ootsutsuki Lineage: The horns in his head?
a. so far only one person in the manga has been able to awaken the rinengan is uchiha madara
so its hard to tell if this is true or not, but I have to admit that I was wrong about who is
capable of controlling the rinnegan, because I thought it was because Nagato was an Uzumaki that they
choose him, but at the end of the naruto fight I recalled sasuke asking naruto to implant it into
kakashi who have no relations to the sage of the six path.
b. I don't think you fully understand what blood relatives means, so here I am going to go get the
definition for you
.blood re·la·tion Plural Noun : blood Realtives
a person related to another by birth rather than by marriage.
For example.
Senju A Marries Non Senju A
is Non Senju A a blood relatives
the answer to that question is No.
But if Senju A Marries a Non Senju A and Have A Baby A/A
is Baby A/A a blood relatived
If I am correct then yes Because baby A/A carries the Blood of Senju A
My understanding of how you percieved the definition is that , in order for Uzumaki to be
blood relatives they have to be related to the Senju's by Birth, meaning Hogoromo only has two children
so they can't possible be related by birth.
But you failed to understand that Birth could also mean a Senju marrying a non senju and having Birth to a
Baby who has the senju dna/blood. and this baby could be the one to form the Uzumaki Clan
now the word
Lineage you seem to think is different from Blood relatives, I just checked google and lineage can also mean
Blood line
Lineage :
lineal descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.
synonyms:
ancestry, family, parentage,
birth, descent, line, extraction, derivation, genealogy,
roots, origin, background, heritage, dual heritage; stock, bloodline, breeding, pedigree
so I fail to see why you keep mentioning that both words are different
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and to answer your question
"Also, as I said earlier, you can't ensure that Hamura didn't have sons in the earth. May I ask you, how do you think Toneri lost the main characteristic of the Ootsutsuki Lineage: The horns in his head?"
why do you assume that the horns are the main characteristic of the Ootsutsuki Lineage
there are only 3 Ootsutsuki that we have seen so far with horns
Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura
Now lets look at the first with Horns, kaguya- what do we know about kaguya
1. she consumed the fruit from the god tree
2. she was part of the 10 tails
anyone of these could be the contributing factor to why all 3 of them had horns,
the horns could be a trait that was passed down by kaguya, just like whiskers were passed down as a genetic traits to naruto and Naruto two children
and to provide evidence to the fact that the horns might have originated from the 10tails, I present to you Obito and Madara
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Both who suddenly gained Horns after becoming the 10 tails Jinchuuriki.
a. Hagoromo explained the motive of Madara's Rinnegan awakening, so I don't see how my point is wrong here. BZ does not have a Rinnegan nor Kaguya, Hagoromo is the one with most knowledge about how transmigration and Rinnegan works.
b. I understand what blood relative means. But you're getting carried away with the definition, because we are not speaking about any blood relativity... we are talking about "distant" blood relatives.
Of course a direct blood relative = lineage, I'm aware of that. But Senju and Uzumaki are distant blood relatives = consanguinity. Chapter 500 said it.
So your definition of blood relatives still matches with my criteria. But you failed to realize about the keyword "distant".
Try to do more investigation on the matter.
c. Because when Kaguya ate the fruit, she already had horns.
Senju can be the sons of Hagoromo . . and Uzumaki can be the sons of Hamura . . . and they can still be cousins.
Uchiha can be the sons of Hagoromo . . and Hyuga can be the sons of Hamura . . . and they can still be cousins.
a. Hagoromo explained the motive of Madara's Rinnegan awakening, so I don't see how my point is wrong here. BZ does not have a Rinnegan nor Kaguya, Hagoromo is the one with most knowledge about how transmigration and Rinnegan works.
b. I understand what blood relative means. But you're getting carried away with the definition, because we are not speaking about any blood relativity... we are talking about "distant" blood relatives.
Of course a direct blood relative = lineage, I'm aware of that. But Senju and Uzumaki are distant blood relatives = consanguinity. Chapter 500 said it.
So your definition of blood relatives still matches with my criteria. But you failed to realize about the keyword "distant".
Try to do more investigation on the matter.
c. Because when Kaguya ate the fruit, she already had horns.
a. I never said you were wrong, I know that its the chakra of each transmigrant that is used to awaken the rinnegan. But each transmigrant so far comes from both the senju and uchiha lineage, its not personality that determined who gets choosen, becasue both hashirama and Naruto have different personalities.
b. "because we are not speaking about any blood relativity... we are talking about "distant" blood relatives"
blood relativity is blood relatives. why does it matter if it's distance ? isn't everything distant when it happen 1 thousands years or so.
Blood Relatives : A person who is related to another through a common ancestor, and not merely by marriage or adoption.
I do not understand why you keep putting such emphasis on the distant when everything happens 1 thousands years, it doesn't matter how distant they are , the only thing is that they share a common ancestor.
the manga said that they are distant blood relatives of the senju clan, the common ancestor of the senju clan is Ashura who was born with the body of the sage. Blood relatives, Lineage both definition stating that they are people who share one common ancestor.
if the manga wanted to go further and said that they came from hamura then they would say that they are distant blood relatives of the sage of the six path, but it didn't it specifically said the senju clan, Twice. not the Uchiha's not the hyuuga's, Not Hagoromo, the senju Clan. TWICE.
c. That artwork does not tell me anything, just like how kishi did not tell us how kaguya became part of the 10 tails. was she part of it before eating the fruit or not. no one knows.
Its my understanding that the transmigrants are chosen on their ideals, not there personalities. Yes Naruto has a different personality to Hashirama, but their ideals remain the same. Ashura believed that love and understanding was the way to peace, as did Hashirama, so too Naruto. The word "understanding" is the key word in this, but in saying this they each share one or two personality traits. Such as they each hold that "can be an idiot" trait there could be other as well but meh.
Senju can be the sons of Hagoromo . . and Uzumaki can be the sons of Hamura . . . and they can still be cousins.
Uchiha can be the sons of Hagoromo . . and Hyuga can be the sons of Hamura . . . and they can still be cousins.
I think that indra and ashura are not brothers. But one is hamura's son and the other is hagoromo's son.
I think that it is possible for hagoromo to have been a source of uchiha and uzimaki, and hamura to have been the source of senju and hyuuga.
Indra sasuke and naruto have spikey hair. The sharingan evolves into the rinnegan. And hagoromo has huge chakra reserves. The hagoromo symbol can me seen to resemble uchiha and uzimaki symbols.
Hamura has the same hair as most hyuuga and hashirama. Hamuras staff closely resembles the senju symbol. Hamura has byakagan, as do all hyuuga (and ao)
And the only way I could make any theory(existing manga facts or wild theories) make sense to the scene where naruto and sasuke seal kaguya and she has a flash back of hago and hammy sealing her, naruto representing hagoromo and sasuke representing hamura(for some reason) which shouldn't make sense at all if naruto and sasuke both represented hagoromos sons (who had nothing to do with this battle) is for naruto to be uzimaki and senju, and sasuke to be uchiha and hyuuga blood.
a. I never said you were wrong, I know that its the chakra of each transmigrant that is used to awaken the rinnegan. But each transmigrant so far comes from both the senju and uchiha lineage, its not personality that determined who gets choosen, becasue both hashirama and Naruto have different personalities.
b. "because we are not speaking about any blood relativity... we are talking about "distant" blood relatives"
blood relativity is blood relatives. why does it matter if it's distance ? isn't everything distant when it happen 1 thousands years or so.
Blood Relatives : A person who is related to another through a common ancestor, and not merely by marriage or adoption.
I do not understand why you keep putting such emphasis on the distant when everything happens 1 thousands years, it doesn't matter how distant they are , the only thing is that they share a common ancestor.
the manga said that they are distant blood relatives of the senju clan, the common ancestor of the senju clan is Ashura who was born with the body of the sage. Blood relatives, Lineage both definition stating that they are people who share one common ancestor.
if the manga wanted to go further and said that they came from hamura then they would say that they are distant blood relatives of the sage of the six path, but it didn't it specifically said the senju clan, Twice. not the Uchiha's not the hyuuga's, Not Hagoromo, the senju Clan. TWICE.
c. That artwork does not tell me anything, just like how kishi did not tell us how kaguya became part of the 10 tails. was she part of it before eating the fruit or not. no one knows.
