Gai and Hiashi VS Muu and 3rd raikage

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Team 2 rapes in scenario 1.

They win scenario 2 as well, but with some difficulty.

 

[Conspirator.]

Team 2 wins both scenarios.

- The bottom line is that no one in team 2 has anything to put the raikage down with. Hirudora isn't cutting it, and neither is air palm.
-Mu can be invisible, and sneak attack Hiashi with kenjutsu.

Eventually the Raikage beats down Gai once he runs out of stamina, and Mu kills Hiashi with a sneak attack(kenjutsu), or with Jinton.

 

[Apêx1]

Team 1 win mid diff.
-Mu's invisibility uses chakra, thus the Byakugan perceives him and sends a Vacuum air palm his way, killing him

-Gai absolutely demolishes 3rd Raikage in CQC with his immense speed. Couple that with Hiashi's ability to destroy the Raikage's body with Gentle Fist and there's nothing going for team 2.

-Inb4 Hiashi doesn't react. Normal eyes can only focus on 2 degrees of visualisation. You have about 90 degrees were you can see but cannot focus. Sharingan is the same, but it's pre-cognition allows its user to readjust their eyes onto the target before the target can move, benefitting massively. On the other hand, we have the Byakugan which has 359 degrees of focus. That means the user never has to readjust his eyes if he doesn't want to, since he'll be focused on everything around him either way. That means it is impossible to actually go out of a Hyuuga's sight.

-We also have the reaction feats argument, but implicatively speaking, Dodai who posses a Byakugan, albeit far inferior to Hiashi's could perceive and react to the 3rd. Anyone who claims Hiashi cannot react to the 3rd despite his name as the main house's leader, is purely an idiot.

-Then we have people who will say "well he can perceive and he can react mindfully, doesn't mean he can move his hand since no striking speed feats br0.." False, Hyuuga's evidently have one of the quickest hand speeds as demonstrated in 8 trigrams 64 palms, where Hinata hits so many times marks are still present on the opponents body [

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]. Second of all, Hyuuga's use a technique which is often misunderstood, the air palm. Air palm only puts chakra on the hand similarly to the gentle fist, nothing else. However, the user is basically creating a shockwave based on the amount of speed he

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with his hand, similarly to how Gai's Hirudora works, albeit with differing hand movements. Now when we look at Hiashi, he is once again, putting chakra onto his hand like the gentle fist, but then pushes at immense speeds, thus creating a far larger shockwave capable of even stopping the Juubi's tail. Also, the 4th DB calls it a "shockwave" thus it is created with the speed of the hand with the same amount of chakra as you would use for a gentle fist rather than anything else. Truly broken hand speed indeed.

 

[Haizaki]

Doesnt matter if Hiashi could attaack muu whilst he is forming jinton, when muu doesnt even need it here

hiashi still has nothing at all against his invisible attacks, where he gets his head taken off, without him having a single clue on whats happened to him,
and with muu having fission means that he gets raped by the 2 invisible muus, when he has no way whatsoever to locate him

Even if Mu can attack while invisible, then Hiashi throws this up

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He'll detect Mu as soon as he comes in contact. 2 Mus? They get raped as they can't even get past the Kyuubi cloak. Meanwhile an enhanced Rotation send them flying.

Gai handles the Raikage even though he can't take him down and as soon as Hiashi comes, Raikage loses to both at the same time.

 

[Lariatoo]

Not really seeing the Taijutsu duo winning...

 

[Made in Heaven]

Gai and hiashi win

 

[ARGUS]

Even if Mu can attack while invisible, then Hiashi throws this up

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He'll detect Mu as soon as he comes in contact. 2 Mus? They get raped as they can't even get past the Kyuubi cloak. Meanwhile an enhanced Rotation send them flying.

Using that would drain hiashi completely,
not to mention that muu would be able to see hiashi use this, and would not be stupid to attack hiashi, when he could detect him
therefore he can simply outlast him, or he increases the distance to stay safe from hiashis attacks and fires a jinton right at him

Gai handles the Raikage even though he can't take him down and as soon as Hiashi comes, Raikage loses to both at the same time.

Without the gates, guy stands no chance aginst the raikage, and with the gates, he has no way of harming him,
either way he loses the gates and the raikage tears him apart,

hiashi is also getting raped by the raikage at CQC as well, his techniques maybe effective against him, but the raikage is still faster and more reflexive, meaning that he lands his nukite before hiashi does anything to him at all,

 

[Haizaki]

Using that would drain hiashi completely,
not to mention that muu would be able to see hiashi use this, and would not be stupid to attack hiashi, when he could detect him
therefore he can simply outlast him, or he increases the distance to stay safe from hiashis attacks and fires a jinton right at him

If Mu appears to use Jinton, He can't escape Hiashi's Byakugan range. Not someone who could see as far as another village destroyed. Not to mention only Jinton can get past the Kyuubi cloak so Mu would be wasting his time with his invisible attacks.

Without the gates, guy stands no chance aginst the raikage, and with the gates, he has no way of harming him,
either way he loses the gates and the raikage tears him apart,

Gai can go on and off the gates and Raikage won't outright blitz him. The second Hiashi gets involved, he'll lose to both Gai and Hiashi.

hiashi is also getting raped by the raikage at CQC as well, his techniques maybe effective against him, but the raikage is still faster and more reflexive, meaning that he lands his nukite before hiashi does anything to him at all,

Hiashi is actually superior to the Raikage in a CQC I believe. Dude has a 5 in taijutsu and considering he has the Kyuubi cloak, he can wall Palm him continuously and with Gai's assistance, they take him down.

If Gai decides, he can use Hirudora and Mu would never make it out of its Range..They both can Gangbang the Raikage.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

How are Gai and Hiashi winnning when the gates are banned? (OP does say "restriction: 8 GATES)

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

How are Gai and Hiashi winnning when the gates are banned? (OP does say "restriction: 8 GATES)

Maybe cause 8 gates isn't needed?

 

[ARGUS]

If Mu appears to use Jinton, He can't escape Hiashi's Byakugan range. Not someone who could see as far as another village destroyed. Not to mention only Jinton can get past the Kyuubi cloak so Mu would be wasting his time with his invisible attacks.

Yes, jinton can get past the kyuubi cloak just fine,
however even if Hiashi could see muu, its irrelevant when he lacks the long range attacks to attack muu whilst hes forming jinton,
muu fires the jinton and hiashi gets turned to dust

Gai can go on and off the gates and Raikage won't outright blitz him. The second Hiashi gets involved, he'll lose to both Gai and Hiashi.

Hiashi dies to Muu, guy doesnt stand much of a chance against muu either when he has the flight to evade his attacks, and still has no way of locating muu, therefore going gates is just wasting his chakra against him,

muu can also assist in giving the raikage the flight (as stated by the databook, his method of flight is the same as onokis)
furthermore he can lighten the raikage to enhance his speed even more,

and raikage can still attack base guy just fine, whether he could blitz guy or not is irrelevant when he'll be faster and more reflexive than him, meaning that guy gets teared apart by nukite

Hiashi is actually superior to the Raikage in a CQC I believe. Dude has a 5 in taijutsu and considering he has the Kyuubi cloak, he can wall Palm him continuously and with Gai's assistance, they take him down.

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves shall we,
whether you like it or not, the raikage is still faster and alot stronger than hiashi,
and with muu having the ability to give him something equivalent to V2, which enables him to blitz Hiashi, menas that nukite rips him apart,

hiashi also doesnt have the reserves to use air palm continously, and they are certainly not taking the raikage down before he proceeds him up close and kills him

If Gai decides, he can use Hirudora and Mu would never make it out of its Range...

Muu is a sensor, and him not being able to evade the range of hirudora is just unlikely, when he can see the attack coming and would immediately resort to flying outside its blast radius,
his reflexes were fast enough to evade KCM narutos blind attack, despite focusing on his jinton,
and managed to sense and see lightened Ays blitz well before the attack landed,
with his flight speed equivalent to onokis, he can most certainly evade it, and guy not being able to locate him just makes matters worse

They both can Gangbang the Raikage

them gangbanging the raikage is just unlikely when the raikage needs only one hit to kill either of them down, and when hiashi is still wrecked by either of the two,
raikage is faster than hiashi and kills him with a nukite just fine
he can also tank guys attacks, and kill him once he falls to base,

not to mention that neither of them could take out muu here, so once guy falls to base (which is bound to happen) he could also slit his throat

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Maybe cause 8 gates isn't needed?

Impossible. Raikage tanked a freaking FRS, Base Gai and Hiashi (at the very least without cloak) can nOT even replicate something CLOSE to that amount of damage.

 

[Haizaki]

Yes, jinton can get past the kyuubi cloak just fine,
however even if Hiashi could see muu, its irrelevant when he lacks the long range attacks to attack muu whilst hes forming jinton,
muu fires the jinton and hiashi gets turned to dust

Mu isn't going to be so far off ti the extent where Wall Palm won't hit him. Even if he's that far off, then Hiashi is given the advantage of being able to evade his Jinton since the distance would be so great. Not to mention Hiashi with the Kyuubi cloak can extend his arms

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Hiashi dies to Muu, guy doesnt stand much of a chance against muu either when he has the flight to evade his attacks, and still has no way of locating muu, therefore going gates is just wasting his chakra against him,

Mu can't defeat Hiashi with the Kyuubi cloak. Without it, I agree but with it he can't beat him.

@Bold How? Mu has no hope of escaping Hirudora's Range. IC Gai won't use Hirudora right off the bat but if he has intel on Mu's invisibility and decides to use it, then Mu isn't evading at the start.

muu can also assist in giving the raikage the flight (as stated by the databook, his method of flight is the same as onokis)
furthermore he can lighten the raikage to enhance his speed even more,

You even gave a good reason why Mu dies faster. When doing this, he utilizes chakra and it would be seen by Hiashi. Not to mention as soon as they see the Raikage flying, the know Mu is right there with him. Hirudora one shots Mu in this case while The Raikage survives it.

and raikage can still attack base guy just fine, whether he could blitz guy or not is irrelevant when he'll be faster and more reflexive than him, meaning that guy gets teared apart by nukite

What's with the Bold? I showed a scan of a fodder being able to react to a Nukite blitz and Gai won't be able to react? Not to mention there's nothing the Manga that really supports the fact that the Raaikage has better reflexes than Gai when he can go on and off the Gates. Sage Naruto reacted to him in a CQC, Gai showed amazing reflexes to Obito who gave Minato some trouble. Don't know why he won't be able to react.

Naruto could stand back and create a Rasengan before the Raikage could get to him

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. Why can't Gai open the Gates instantly and evade him? No reason why.

Lets not get too ahead of ourselves shall we,
whether you like it or not, the raikage is still faster and alot stronger than hiashi,
and with muu having the ability to give him something equivalent to V2, which enables him to blitz Hiashi, menas that nukite rips him apart,

Being faster and a stronger doesn't mean he can't blow him away with a Kyuubi enhanced Juubi sized Wall Palm. The Third Runs to him, he gets blown away. Doesn't mean an enhanced Hiashi won't be able to react to him.

I already explained how Mu dies if they use that strategy.

hiashi also doesnt have the reserves to use air palm continously, and they are certainly not taking the raikage down before he proceeds him up close and kills him

Waah? With the Kyuubi cloak? False. Raikage gets blown away..Wind doesn't have to damage you in other to blow you away.

Muu is a sensor, and him not being able to evade the range of hirudora is just unlikely, when he can see the attack coming and would immediately resort to flying outside its blast radius,

Doesn't matter. Hirudora is a super fast punch..The chances of Mu evading the Punch is low let alone the range, Dwarfed an entire Island which could contain a Bijuu. Mu escaping it isn't happening. Madara is a sensor but was still hit by Hirudora before he could complete his sword stab..That alone speaks of its speed.

What even makes things worse is that sensors sense Chakra and Hirudora doesn't utilize chakra.

his reflexes were fast enough to evade KCM narutos blind attack, despite focusing on his jinton,
and managed to sense and see lightened Ays blitz well before the attack landed,
with his flight speed equivalent to onokis, he can most certainly evade it, and guy not being able to locate him just makes matters worse

The second it becomes a CQC, 6G and above would blitz Mu.

This doesn't prove he can evade Hirudora. Gai doesn't need to locate him as when he sees him going invisible, he uses the attack and Mu cannot escape it. Even if Mu reappears from any position, Hiashi would see him and let Gai know his position if anything.

them gangbanging the raikage is just unlikely when the raikage needs only one hit to kill either of them down, and when hiashi is still wrecked by either of the two,
raikage is faster than hiashi and kills him with a nukite just fine
he can also tank guys attacks, and kill him once he falls to base,

Yeah they can do so without a doubt. Raikage can never beat a Kyuubi cloak Hiashi alongside a Gated Gai. Not happening.

- Hiashi can blow him away with an enhanced Juubi sized Palm when he runs at him.

- Mu won't be using Jinton if they both engage The Raikage as he'll also be in Range of Mu's Jinton while they are all constantly moving making it harder for Mu to aim at one individual directly.

- Mu gets one shotted by Hirudora either way. Especially if he tries to help The Raikage take flight.

- Kyuubi Hiashi can take any of Hiasi's attacks except Jinton as the cloak protects him and can even extent the cloak's arms. The only attack he can't take is Jinton and Mu would have to appear to use that in which he'll be seen.

- The Raikage cannot defeat a Gated Gai alongside a Kyuubi cloak Hiashi which can take advantage of an opening created by Gai to hit the Third's chakra points.

- Gai can go on and off the Gates. 6G Gai can easily react to Nukite with no difficulty and even has superior Taijutsu feats to the 3rd. 7G Gai would completely overwhelm him and the opening for Kyuubi Hiashi can be created.

not to mention that neither of them could take out muu here, so once guy falls to base (which is bound to happen) he could also slit his throat

Already dealt with.

 

[neosmith500]

Hiashi can also boost the strength of guy's gates with a small heart touch the same way they did in the war

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This gives gai ample strength and speed to instantly open 7th gate, blitz both mu an raikage, killing mu first since he has intel an then give kcm hiashi a perfect set up for him to finish the 3rd with juuken.

-Mu cant excape gai boosted by juuken +7th gate blitz as seen he can use his summon as a foothold to blitz his way to mu if he covered any distance.

If he turns invisible hiashi will detect this an proceed to air wall palm team 2 with his cloak which could possibly disable mu's invisibility since it has aspects of juuken + he would be pushed by a km enhanced shockwave from hiashi an would suffer great damage.
-He can mark there current locations with his eyes an gai can then proceed to blitz mu an end him with a crouching tiger.

 

[swirlyshark]

3rd and muu

 

[TRE MERCER]

What speed does the 3rd Raikage have that allows him to outright blitz Hiashi before he can even react...? He's never blitzed anything but a bunch of fodders. If old man Dodai can

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to the 3rd in CQC... I see no reason why someone at Hiashi's expertise with the Hyugas capabilities would ever get blitzed by the 3rd. Gai doesn't need anything to put the 3rd down. He's easily a whole lot faster with more proficient CQC skills; he can easily knock the 3rd around and provide openings for Hiashi. All the white Mu has no place in this CQC fight, because he can't just fire off Jinton at them (Unless he wants to kill his teammate) and he can't keep up with any of them in CQC either - even with invisibility.

Never said he was going to blitz and what impressive reaction/speed feats Hiashi has on the table? Gai is a whole lot faster than the 3rd Raikage when it comes to cqc? He's going to knock him around? Gai base speed isn't impressive seeing as a 30percent Kisame clone kept up with it... Knocking him around surely you don't mean punches and kicks? The only way Gay can achieve this feat is if he goes gates which he still doesn't have enough fire power to take him down... Hirudora blast Radius would send Hiashi flying so not happening? Muu isn't going to in-gage them in cqc i already said a sneak Jinton ends them... Doesn't matter if it kills the 3rd Raikage as long as Hiashi and Gai dies with him the victory still goes to the Kages...

 

[Haizaki]

Don't know what "30 percent" has to do with this. Not affecting one's physical properties. Not to mention the fact that Gai showed impressive reaction feats against Obito. Don't know why Nukite would be tearing him when Naruto could create a Rasengan while the Raikage was running towards him. Gai who can instantly open the gates isn't going to evade this?

Hirudora's blast radius sends Hiashi flying despite him being close to Gai? or you mean Gai can have Hirudora wrap up the Raikage like he did to Susanoo and send him flying elsewhere

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[TRE MERCER]

Both can't be focused on one when they have 2 opponents. 3rd Raikage can't outright Blitz Gai. Neverr..Matter of fact it's Gai who does the blitzing but is unable to finish him off.

Hiashi sees Mu once he appears to use Jinton and no, Jinton has to be prepared as you can see in the Middle Panel left panel

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and he even started preparing it here in the bottom left

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Even with the forming of Jinton what is Hiashi going to do?

 

[Haizaki]

Even with the forming of Jinton what is Hiashi going to do?

Wall palm him and we know once Mu moves, the attack is affected

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[TRE MERCER]

Wall palm him and we know once Mu moves, the attack is affected

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That's very true but what stops from from sneaking up and breaking his neck? Also if we go by this 1 on 1 strategy your using Gai loses with ease since he can't put down the 3rd Raikage and if Hiashi goes to help him Jinton catches him slipping...