Hashirama was nerfed and still beat Edo Madara

[Holy God]

Lol wut?

It was already confrimed that kyuubi shrunk[

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It is clear that kurama in its full form is much larger than the other bijuu.

Madara's PS wasn't any smaller than when he was alive, I see no reason why his wood release techniques should shrink. Hahsirama's wood god also wasn't any smaller than when he was alive and neither was his wood dragon.

I used un-stabilized susanoo in both my examples to prove my point

Kurama shrunk, but that doesn't mean the cloak is as small as he was before.

Yes, but it is a fact that Edo'd souls are weaker than when alive.

Didn't see that.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Dont have any, there are no scans of Madara using those other paths. Unless you want to be like the Prime Hiruzen fanboys, we don't go by hype, but by feats.

So post the scans or gtfo with your hype. Thanks.



Same goes for you

You sound like a tosser.

You're saying Madara is unable to use any other paths except Preta, because he doesn't have mastery over his eyes, and not because he was nerfed by kishimoto?


You keep repeating these words, 'hype' and 'feats', yet you don't fully understand their concept.


Please, try again when you know what you're talking about.​

 

[Demonic.]

Butthurt much? :snick:

You wish. You're the butthurt Madara fan going against manga facts saying your Lord was holding back Lol

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Got to love those manga facts

You sound like a tosser.

You're saying Madara is unable to use any other paths except Preta, because he doesn't have mastery over his eyes, and not because he was nerfed by kishimoto?


You keep repeating these words, 'hype' and 'feats', yet you don't fully understand their concept.


Please, try again when you know what you're talking about.​

You sound like a whiny bìtch. Madara used PS, what he referred to as his full power.

Any proof Madara can even use those other paths while his PS is out?

Lol. You fanboys and your excuses.

 

[Holy God]

Or maybe you are just being as biased as Maddy Haters. U_U

there's no doubt that Maddy was going to overcome Hashi this fight and he did. But it is not a simple as just using Rinnegan techs.

After Maddy soloed everyone and got his rinnegan why didn't he use Shinra Tensei Bansho Tenin then?
Where was this when he got the 2nd Rinnegan?
Why didn't Sasuke use these in his fight against Kaguya, Madara, or Naruto.
Maddy had the same Rinnegan as Sasuke but didn't have the S/T justsu Sasuke has. Why not?

Flip the script, how come Sasuke doesn't have Limbo Clones?

This is the entire point of the thread here. People are claiming Madara has everything Nagato does simply because they are his Rinnegan. But I don't believe that is the case.

I think the Rinnegan works a lot like the Mangenkyo Sharingan. Just because one user has access to said abilities doesn't mean they all do. If this were true then Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shishui would all have Kamui, Kotoamatsukami, and other special abilities that are inherant to the doujutsu.

Just because a technique is displayed by a specific user doesn't mean all other doujutsu user can or will use the same technique.

That logic doesn't work here. Nagato was using Madara's eyes for the abilities. Just like Madara used Kamui when he took Obito's eye.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

You wish. You're the butthurt Madara fan going against manga facts saying your Lord was holding back Lol

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Got to love those manga facts

I'm a Kakashi fanboy, moron. Get it right. Lols.

You haven't answered the Edo Nagato question by the way even though I've asked you twice.

Uh all that scan does is show that he has gedo rods in him and thus could use the outer path, and thus could use all the paths being that the gedo rods come from the gedo mazou.

Congratulations?

 

[Gerkak]

Kurama shrunk, but that doesn't mean the cloak is as small as he was before.

Yes, but it is a fact that Edo'd souls are weaker than when alive.

Didn't see that.

Are you really still trying to say that naruto's BM is the same size as full kurama. Look how small madara was on top of full kurama and look at how large naruto is while inside BM avatar

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It may be a fact that they are weaker but as I have said it makes no difference in this comparison since hashirama and madara's techniques have not shrunk in size or seemed to have gotten weaker.

 

[Demonic.]

I'm a Kakashi fanboy, moron. Get it right. Lols.

You haven't answered the Edo Nagato question by the way even though I've asked you twice.

Uh all that scan does is show that he has gedo rods in him and thus could use the outer path, and thus could use all the paths being that the gedo rods come from the gedo mazou.

Congratulations?

It shows Madara wanted to finish off Hashirama in 15 minutes, and he lost.

Ps is his strongest weapon, he chose to go with his strongest weapon instead of those other inferior techniques, which means he wasn't playing around.

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Next time read, don't just look at the pretty pictures

 

[Umari Senju]

That logic doesn't work here. Nagato was using Madara's eyes for the abilities. Just like Madara used Kamui when he took Obito's eye.

But it was Obito's eye not Madara's which is why he and Kakashi could use Kamui. This actually proves my point. So yes the logic does apply. Still I see what you mean. Since Nagato's Rinnegan were Maddy's to begin with then these abilities should be inherent in Maddy as well. I think Kishi may have just nerfed his own writing with this Lol.

So many thing were just not right with this whole arc XD

 

[AlphaScythian]

Are you really still trying to say that naruto's BM is the same size as full kurama. Look how small madara was on top of full kurama and look at how large naruto is while inside BM avatar

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It may be a fact that they are weaker but as I have said it makes no difference in this comparison since hashirama and madara's techniques have not shrunk in size or seemed to have gotten weaker.

That is not full BM, use that mixed with PS at least it's bigger.

All bijuus are roughly same size, always were, kunara isnt twice as big as next one U_U

 

[Umari Senju]

That is not full BM, use that mixed with PS at least it's bigger.

All bijuus are roughly same size, always were, kunara isnt twice as big as next one U_U

I actually agree. these sizes we see here are just inconsistencies on Kishi's part. When the manga began Kurama was larger than all of Kanoha towering over it and wiping buildings out with it's tails.

When maddy fought Hashi at VOTE this was still the same Kurama but he wasn't nearly as large.

 

[Gerkak]

That is not full BM, use that mixed with PS at least it's bigger.

All bijuus are roughly same size, always were, kunara isnt twice as big as next one U_U

How the heck isn't that full BM Lol stop making excuses. No matter what scan of BM avatar you bring it will still be far smaller than full kurama

All bijuu minus kurama are roughly the same size, kurama's full size is closer to the juubi than the other bijuu.

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See for your self

 

[Demonic.]

I see the usual bunch wanking, slurping and fapping over Madara as usual. Manga panels don't lie. Madara was bound, Hashirama was not, yet fapboys still make excuses:

-Hurr durr Rinnegan jutsu hurr durr

-Hurr durr holding back hurr durr

Yet PS is his strongest jutsu, and Hashirama matched it with something a tier below his full power.

Indeed he was, Hashirama wasn't even at his full power, yet still gave Madara trouble despite him having Hashirama's DNA/powers. Let's you now, the power difference between Hashirama and Madara aka Fridgara.

^^^^^ and we're done here

 

[Ababeel]

How the heck isn't that full BM Lol stop making excuses. No matter what scan of BM avatar you bring it will still be far smaller than full kurama

All bijuu minus kurama are roughly the same size, kurama's full size is closer to the juubi than the other bijuu.

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I don't think the sizes in this manga are accurate. Look how tiny Madara is compare to the Juubi's face here

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[Kamui Sama]

They were stalemating, Naruto jumped in at the end which allowed Hashirama to pin down Madara

I agree though, if Hashi used SS then he would obviously win

 

[Demonic.]

They were stalemating, Naruto jumped in at the end which allowed Hashirama to pin down Madara

Reread the chapter.

Before Naruto jumped in, Madara was bound by wood dragon. Hashirama was not bound.

 

[shelke]

Interesting. I never expected Hashirama's wood to quell petra path though. That was insanely stupid. But yes, Hashirama did overcome Madara in SM. He wasn't at base either.

 

[Bronze]

LMFAO! The wood ride still continues when the manga showed Edo Madara winning a long time ago. I'll post what the manga showed to the logical readers and blind readers:

Edo Madara stabbed Edo Hashirama with numbers of rods on his back, and drained most of his reserves out. Edo Hashirama tries to counter that by using Mokuton: Mokuryoo and Naruto throwing Odama Futon: Rasenshuriken. Edo Madara makes all of their efforts useless, which Hashirama confirms. [

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] Hashirama waits for Naruto and Sai to seal Madara, but the latter breaks their efforts yet again.

Hashirama couldn't win in CQC, as the rods ended up stabbing him. He couldn't defeat Madara with his and Naruto's Jutsu together. He couldn't defeat him with Sai's Fuinjutsu.

Edo Madara defeated him without using his full power and without Intent of going all out, since he needed his Senjutsu. Madara won, plain and simple. Manga ended, a year has passed since that defeat. You and all Hashirama's supporters need to deal with the sad fact.

 

[Demonic.]

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LMFAO! The wood ride still continues when the manga showed Edo Madara winning a long time ago. I'll post what the manga showed to the logical readers and blind readers:

Edo Madara stabbed Edo Hashirama with numbers of rods on his back, and drained most of his reserves out. Edo Hashirama tries to counter that by using Mokuton: Mokuryoo and Naruto throwing Odama Futon: Rasenshuriken. Edo Madara makes all of their efforts useless, which Hashirama confirms. [

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] Hashirama waits for Naruto and Sai to seal Madara, but the latter breaks their efforts yet again.

Hashirama couldn't win in CQC, as the rods ended up stabbing him. He couldn't defeat Madara with his and Naruto's Jutsu together. He couldn't defeat him with Sai's Fuinjutsu.

Edo Madara defeated him without using his full power and without Intent of going all out, since he needed his Senjutsu. Madara won, plain and simple. Manga ended, a year has passed since that defeat. You and all Hashirama's supporters need to deal with the sad fact.

If only anyone took you seriously Madara Rules.

Interesting. I never expected Hashirama's wood to quell petra path though. That was insanely stupid. But yes, Hashirama did overcome Madara in SM. He wasn't at base either.

Agreed. 100%

 

[Kamui Sama]

Reread the chapter.

Before Naruto jumped in, Madara was bound by wood dragon. Hashirama was not bound.

I guess so, but I don't see why myojinmon + an oodama FRS would be required if the mokuryuu was enough to completely immobilize Madara.

 

[Bronze]

If only anyone took you seriously Madara Rules.

Only people from 2013 know that name, Lol. Awesome Senju