Hashirama was nerfed and still beat Edo Madara

[SkyGodHorus]

Madara couldn't use those paths, fool. His Rinnegan was a fake, that's why he couldn't summon the Gedo. What Madara could do with the fake Rinnegan was limited. Only what we saw is what he could do, that's why he couldn't use limbo either. Don't try to bring fanfic into this Lol

Lol obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Lol.

Not really. Edo Madara was still > Hashirama. Madara was aware that he could defeat hashirama with his new powers, but chose not to. Did you see him use any of his Rinnegan paths vs Edo Hashi? Not really. He had only used Susano, out of all his other techs in his arsenal. He was nerfed. Madara did also say that, as madara eloquently put, 'dance' with hashirama. But as you see, Madara being restrained by Hashirama's wooden blocks wasn't a problem. He didn't even look worried when sai was running to seal him. Madara saw that Obito was taken down and had betrayed him, so he needed to switch with Obito before Obito used the revival path for other things. As soon as Madara was revived, you fodderized those wooden restraints, fodderized amaterasu via preta path even though he had no eyes, and negged hashirama with rods that hashirama didn't even sense. He even blitzed Naruto and Sai, then knocked away naruto + Sauce with a fire jutsu. This is when he stopped 'dancing', because he wasn't an edo anymore, and he could get hurt.

The idea Edo Madara < Edo Hashirama is simply retarded and unacceptable. I thought everyone other than Madara haters were clear about this.

But seems like you people need some enlightening.​

 

[Zzz]

Madara intended to stab Hashirama with his rods, get revived and then get Sage Mode.

Madara knew blood was required to activate those rods, so he pretty much tried to keep Hashirama away from Obito, who was probably going to get defeated.
Madara stabbed Hashirama, got the timing right and activated the rods. If Edo Madara had had blood, Hashirama would have been done for right after being stabbed.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol.

Not really. Edo Madara was still > Hashirama. Madara was aware that he could defeat hashirama with his new powers, but chose not to. Did you see him use any of his Rinnegan paths vs Edo Hashi? Not really. He had only used Susano, out of all his other techs in his arsenal. He was nerfed. Madara did also say that, as madara eloquently put, 'dance' with hashirama. But as you see, Madara being restrained by Hashirama's wooden blocks wasn't a problem. He didn't even look worried when sai was running to seal him. Madara saw that Obito was taken down and had betrayed him, so he needed to switch with Obito before Obito used the revival path for other things. As soon as Madara was revived, you fodderized those wooden restraints, fodderized amaterasu via preta path even though he had no eyes, and negged hashirama with rods that hashirama didn't even sense. He even blitzed Naruto and Sai, then knocked away naruto + Sauce with a fire jutsu. This is when he stopped 'dancing', because he wasn't an edo anymore, and he could get hurt.

The idea Edo Madara < Edo Hashirama is simply retarded and unacceptable. I thought everyone other than Madara haters were clear about this.

But seems like you people need some enlightening.​

Because Madara knew black zetsu was gonna save his ass,

 

[Holy God]

Using those against hashi would be pointless since maddy's wood release is weaker than Hashi's.

Proof?

Here we see hashirama's wood dragon wrap around 100% kurama[

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Here we see madara's wood dragon wrap around yang kurama[

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Madara's wood dragon is clearly smaller since we know that yang kurama is less than 50% the size of yin-yang kurama.

Here we see madara's seep forest emergence beneth his V4
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Now look at hashirama's deep forest emergence beneath madara's V4 susanoo[

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The difference is clear and undeniable. Hashirama's wood release is superior. He is the original after all. Maddy did well.

The two halves of Kurama being smaller than the original are not known. In fact, each halve is the same size of the other tailed beasts as shown before. That would also mean you're saying that Kurama as one, would tower Perfect Susano'o, since it's the same size as it.

That could be for many reasons.
For one, that was a live body. Edo Madara is dead, therefore, has weaker wood-style, just like Edo Hashirama.
Kishimoto doesn't always draw in perspective and ratios.
Perfect Susano'o is larger than the unstablized version.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Because Madara knew black zetsu was gonna save his ass,

More like Madara instructed BZ to stop Obito from using the path. It was actually madara himself that used the jutsu to switch. But whatever floats your boat. Lol​

 

[Demonic.]

Lol obvious troll is obvious.

Either post scans to prove it wrong or gtfo fapboy.

Lol.

Not really. Edo Madara was still > Hashirama. Madara was aware that he could defeat hashirama with his new powers, but chose not to. Did you see him use any of his Rinnegan paths vs Edo Hashi? Not really. He had only used Susano, out of all his other techs in his arsenal. He was nerfed. Madara did also say that, as madara eloquently put, 'dance' with hashirama. But as you see, Madara being restrained by Hashirama's wooden blocks wasn't a problem. He didn't even look worried when sai was running to seal him. Madara saw that Obito was taken down and had betrayed him, so he needed to switch with Obito before Obito used the revival path for other things. As soon as Madara was revived, you fodderized those wooden restraints, fodderized amaterasu via preta path even though he had no eyes, and negged hashirama with rods that hashirama didn't even sense. He even blitzed Naruto and Sai, then knocked away naruto + Sauce with a fire jutsu. This is when he stopped 'dancing', because he wasn't an edo anymore, and he could get hurt.

The idea Edo Madara < Edo Hashirama is simply retarded and unacceptable. I thought everyone other than Madara haters were clear about this.

But seems like you people need some enlightening.​

Your lord Madara referred to PS as his strongest weapon Lol. All his other techniques pale in comparison. Yet you say, "he only used PS" lmao. It's his strongest technique, and he still lost.

 

[KingHashirama]

More like Madara instructed BZ to stop Obito from using the path. It was actually madara himself that used the jutsu to switch. But whatever floats your boat. Lol​

And you are still the naive one that believes MAdara controlled black zetsu.

 

[V h o]

Indeed he was, Hashirama wasn't even at his full power, yet still gave Madara trouble despite him having Hashirama's DNA/powers. Let's you now, the power difference between Hashirama and Madara aka Fridgara.

 

[Holy God]

Why couldn't Edo Madara use limbo? Maybe cause I'm right and you're just spouting desperate BS U_U



Are you a freaking idiot? Madara made 25 legged Susano. Much smaller and weaker than PS. Wood Golem (which stalemated Ps) would squash 25 legged Susano. Lmao.

Who says Madara couldn't have used Limbo? Perhaps he chose not to.

If they surround Hashirama, that could be a problem. Let's not forget that 25 isn't even his limit. He only made that many to turn the ratio around.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Either post scans to prove it wrong or gtfo fapboy.

Right, he could use deva and preta, yet conveniently couldn't use any of the other paths.

So basically you're saying Madara could only use two paths while Nagato could use all of them, even though Madara was the one who unlocked the Rinnegan and went above Nagato's use of the Deva path?

Where are your scans, hypocritical ***boy? Troll harder.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

And you are still the naive one that believes MAdara controlled black zetsu.

Where did I say madara controlled BZ? Don't twist words. 'Instructed', and 'controlled' are two different things. Go back to school and learn some things b4 you start posting BS like a retard.​

 

[Holy God]

You're giving Madara powers he never showed. It took Sasuke a while to even perform chibaku tensei, yet you assume Madara has mastery of all paths right off the bat? Lol

This is why we only use feats. Get over it

Madara does have mastery, because he had Black Zetsu to teach him, and time to practice/study while in the cave. Kabuto didn't give it to him you know? He obviously knew how to pull a meteor from the sky. Sasuke knew how because he had performed one with Naruto, and has seen Madara perform the paths. Sasuke wouldn't have known the Rinnegan could absorb chakra if it weren't for Madara at the time.

 

[Demonic.]

Right, he could use deva and preta, yet conveniently couldn't use any of the other paths. Where are your scans, hypocritical ***boy?

Dont have any, there are no scans of Madara using those other paths. Unless you want to be like the Prime Hiruzen fanboys, we don't go by hype, but by feats.

So post the scans or gtfo with your hype. Thanks.

Madara does have mastery, because he had Black Zetsu to teach him, and time to practice/study while in the cave. Kabuto didn't give it to him you know? He obviously knew how to pull a meteor from the sky. Sasuke knew how because he had performed one with Naruto, and has seen Madara perform the paths. Sasuke wouldn't have known the Rinnegan could absorb chakra if it weren't for Madara at the time.

Same goes for you

 

[Gerkak]

The two halves of Kurama being smaller than the original are not known. In fact, each halve is the same size of the other tailed beasts as shown before. That would also mean you're saying that Kurama as one, would tower Perfect Susano'o, since it's the same size as it.

That could be for many reasons.
For one, that was a live body. Edo Madara is dead, therefore, has weaker wood-style, just like Edo Hashirama.
Kishimoto doesn't always draw in perspective and ratios.
Perfect Susano'o is larger than the unstablized version.

Lol wut?

It was already confrimed that kyuubi shrunk[

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It is clear that kurama in its full form is much larger than the other bijuu.

Madara's PS wasn't any smaller than when he was alive, I see no reason why his wood release techniques should shrink. Hahsirama's wood god also wasn't any smaller than when he was alive and neither was his wood dragon.

I used un-stabilized susanoo in both my examples to prove my point

 

[-immortal-]

Bruh this is mangafact.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

gtfo with your hype. Thanks.

Butthurt much? :snick:

So then explain to me why Edo Nagato could use all paths, but Madara, who actually unlocked the Rinnegan and had a higher degree in the Deva path could miraculously only use two random ones.

 

[Umari Senju]

Lol.

Not really. Edo Madara was still > Hashirama. Madara was aware that he could defeat hashirama with his new powers, but chose not to. Did you see him use any of his Rinnegan paths vs Edo Hashi? Not really. He had only used Susano, out of all his other techs in his arsenal. He was nerfed. Madara did also say that, as madara eloquently put, 'dance' with hashirama. But as you see, Madara being restrained by Hashirama's wooden blocks wasn't a problem. He didn't even look worried when sai was running to seal him. Madara saw that Obito was taken down and had betrayed him, so he needed to switch with Obito before Obito used the revival path for other things. As soon as Madara was revived, you fodderized those wooden restraints, fodderized amaterasu via preta path even though he had no eyes, and negged hashirama with rods that hashirama didn't even sense. He even blitzed Naruto and Sai, then knocked away naruto + Sauce with a fire jutsu. This is when he stopped 'dancing', because he wasn't an edo anymore, and he could get hurt.

The idea Edo Madara < Edo Hashirama is simply retarded and unacceptable. I thought everyone other than Madara haters were clear about this.

But seems like you people need some enlightening.​

Or maybe you are just being as biased as Maddy Haters. U_U

there's no doubt that Maddy was going to overcome Hashi this fight and he did. But it is not a simple as just using Rinnegan techs.

After Maddy soloed everyone and got his rinnegan why didn't he use Shinra Tensei Bansho Tenin then?
Where was this when he got the 2nd Rinnegan?
Why didn't Sasuke use these in his fight against Kaguya, Madara, or Naruto.
Maddy had the same Rinnegan as Sasuke but didn't have the S/T justsu Sasuke has. Why not?

Flip the script, how come Sasuke doesn't have Limbo Clones?

This is the entire point of the thread here. People are claiming Madara has everything Nagato does simply because they are his Rinnegan. But I don't believe that is the case.

I think the Rinnegan works a lot like the Mangenkyo Sharingan. Just because one user has access to said abilities doesn't mean they all do. If this were true then Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shishui would all have Kamui, Kotoamatsukami, and other special abilities that are inherant to the doujutsu.

Just because a technique is displayed by a specific user doesn't mean all other doujutsu user can or will use the same technique.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see the usual bunch wanking, slurping and fapping over Madara as usual. Manga panels don't lie. Madara was bound, Hashirama was not, yet fapboys still make excuses:

-Hurr durr Rinnegan jutsu hurr durr

-Hurr durr holding back hurr durr

Yet PS is his strongest jutsu, and Hashirama matched it with something a tier below his full power.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Madara was just absorbing that SM little by little, which was his goal and killing hashirama would make senjutsu impossible for him..


Note how madara gets SM while hashirama no longer has markings,
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