Hashirama was nerfed and still beat Edo Madara

[Demonic.]

Madara went all out against Hashirama, and used what he himself referred to as his strongest technique, Perfect Susano

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Hashirama on the other hand didn't use his strongest technique, Shinsuusenju, to combat PS, instead he used a wood golem

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Yet the fight still ended with Edo Hashirama on top as Madara was bound by wood dragon (

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), afterwhich with the help of Naruto, Hashirama dropped a gracious deity gate on Madara (

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Thank you, and Madara Rules

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Madara fans say Madara held back and was stalling for time.

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But Madara states he'd defeat Hashirama, steal his senjutsu, then fight and defeat Juubito in a timespan of 15 minutes.

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Some people believe the match was a draw, claiming Hashirama and Madara were both bound.This is a common misconception, as only Madara was bound. Hashirama could still move:

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After Madara was revived, that's when Hashirama was immobilized.

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But as far as Edo Hashirama vs Edo Madara goes, Edo Hashirama won.

 

[Gerkak]

This is the truth. Edo madara was still inferior to edo hashirama. Only alive rinne madara could've won

 

[Glad Of War]

And to add Tobirama even stated The Edo Hokages weren't brought at full power.. Unlike Madara who was brought at full power considering Kabuto upgraded him.

 

[J3Q]

hashi soloes

 

[RedRobin]

hashi soloes

Great sig.

 

[Holy God]

Madara went all out against Hashirama, and used what he himself referred to as his strongest technique, Perfect Susano

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Hashirama on the other hand didn't use his strongest technique, Shinsuusenju, to combat PS, instead he used a wood golem

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Yet the fight still ended with Edo Hashirama on top as Madara was bound by wood dragon (

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), afterwhich with the help of Naruto, Hashirama dropped a gracious deity gate on Madara (

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)

Thank you, and Madara Rules

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Madara fans say Madara held back and was stalling for time.

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But Madara states he'd defeat Hashirama, steal his senjutsu, then fight and defeat Juubito in a timespan of 15 minutes.

Hashirama didn't use the giant Buddha, and Madara didn't use his fire techniques, Rinnegan, summonings, or wood-style. Your argument is moot.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I see, lol.

 

[J3Q]

Great sig.

thnx XD XD

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama didn't use the giant Buddha, and Madara didn't use his fire techniques, Rinnegan, summonings, or wood-style. Your argument is moot.

Doesn't matter the point is hashi had maddy pinned down at the end of the day. You are making excuses. Besides madara's wood release is inferior to hashirama's. Copies cannot match the original

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama didn't use the giant Buddha, and Madara didn't use his fire techniques, Rinnegan, summonings, or wood-style. Your argument is moot.

Madara used Preta path and Rinnegan rods.

Fire techniques? You serious? That's child's play for Hashirama. And mokuton is useless against the Mokuton master fool.

 

[HiddenSound]

Hashirama didn't use the giant Buddha, and Madara didn't use his fire techniques, Rinnegan, summonings, or wood-style. Your argument is moot.

But he did use PS, his greatest technique.

 

[Holy God]

Doesn't matter the point is hashi had maddy pinned down at the end of the day. You are making excuses. Besides madara's wood release is inferior to hashirama's. Copies cannot match the original

You don't know if it was inferior. He was using is as if he was an original ability.

 

[Holy God]

Madara used Preta path and Rinnegan rods.

Fire techniques? You serious? That's child's play for Hashirama. And mokuton is useless against the Mokuton master fool.

Where did he use the "Preta" path? You sound like a kid with that last statement. It's still effective.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

And to add Tobirama even stated The Edo Hokages weren't brought at full power.. Unlike Madara who was brought at full power considering Kabuto upgraded him.

Nah he wasn't either as Hashirama stated, after madara came back to Life, that he got his ''old Powers'' back meaning he got his full Power back, thus, Alive > Edo.

I agree though that Hashirama > Madara in every way (except JuubiJin Madara).

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I'm fairly certain Madara was stalling Hashirama, in addition to using the shinobi alliance to wear down Obito for him and take the bijuus and thus the alliance being worn down as well. If you recall, Madara was able to break out of the mokuton easily and had long already pierced Hashirama with his gedo rods, which was what he used immediately afterward to restrain him. You forget, Madara had the Rinnegan and mokuton, and thus the chakras of both the sons AND Hagoromo. Hashirama did not.

 

[KingHashirama]

And to add Tobirama even stated The Edo Hokages weren't brought at full power.. Unlike Madara who was brought at full power considering Kabuto upgraded him.

no he said him and Hashirama weren't brought at full power. Not all of the edo hokage.


Edo Minato >>>> Alive Minato

 

[Demonic.]

Where did he use the "Preta" path? You sound like a kid with that last statement. It's still effective.

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And no it's not, lmao. That's why he used PS instead.

PS > Madara's entire arsenal

I'm fairly certain Madara was stalling Hashirama, in addition to using the shinobi alliance to wear down Obito for him and take the bijuus and thus the alliance being worn down as well. If you recall, Madara was able to break out of the mokuton easily and had long already pierced Hashirama with his gedo rods, which was what he used immediately afterward to restrain him. You forget, Madara had the Rinnegan and mokuton, and thus the chakras of both the sons AND Hagoromo. Hashirama did not.

Going against manga facts are we? Consider posting that in the fan fiction section.

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[SkyGodHorus]

no he said him and Hashirama weren't brought at full power. Not all of the edo hokage.


Edo Minato >>>> Alive Minato

Kabuto stated Madara was revived beyond his prime. That means he had his full power and beyond. And The edo Kages had almost all of their power as well according to Orochmaru who revived them. Tobirama cracked the Uchiha shrine with his chakra burst and Orochimaru feared Hashirama could break out of edo tensei at any time just like Madara.

 

[Umari Senju]

You don't know if it was inferior. He was using is as if he was an original ability.

Or maybe he knew they would be pointless to use as:

1. His fire techniques didn't help save him the last time they fought.

2. As others stated, Hashi is the true mokuton master

3. The only summoning Madara had was Kyuubi and he is inside Naruto and Minato

4. He used chakra rods but I don't think Madara was capable of using Rinnegan tech while Susanoo is active. This i am unsure of and may be possibly wrong. plus, wasn't Hashi's Mokuton keeping him from using the Rinnegan techs by absorbing his chakra? Not sure on this either.

 

[Gerkak]

You don't know if it was inferior. He was using is as if he was an original ability.

It was, all the wood techniques madara used were smaller than hashirama's. Wood dragon was smaller deep emerging forest was smaller, all of them. While madara did better than yamato his wood release techniques were still no match for hashirama's. This is the reason why he never bothered to use them against hashi.