Do all Rin'negan users get Limbo?

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Yes Naruto was given
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No naruto blossomed the RSM.

But i assume you want to be literal on jutsu descriptions right. If Naruto was given RSM, then Sasuke was given Rinnegan.. simple as that.

U do realize that you need yin and yang to get rinnegan right?

Sasuke would've awoken rinnegan without Hagoromo's help and even with it if all Sasuke had was EMS he wouldn't have obtained rinnegan. The key factor was the Hashirama cells. But, EMS + Hashirama cells = Rinnegan, but with the addition of Hagoromo's yin Sasuke gained the Tomoe rinnegan.

Even if we were to go on chakra the fact that
1# SM itself enhances techniques and
2# Being a juubi jin. Gives Madara much more chakra than Sasuke. You can't compare the two. The closest comparison would be Sasuke and Edo Madara.
Rikudou himself didn't have tomoe rinnegan. 2 eyed rinnegan > 1 eyed rinnegan.


1. Stronger than eye , stronger the techniques, no clue where you have been up until now..

2. I'm not comparing the 2, you people are the smart ones, who decided to compare the 2... yea because Edo Madara has Rikudou's yin chakra right?
 
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No naruto blossomed the RSM.

But i assume you want to be literal on jutsu descriptions right. If Naruto was given RSM, then Sasuke was given Rinnegan.. simple as that.


Rikudou himself didn't have tomoe rinnegan. 2 eyed rinnegan > 1 eyed rinnegan.


1. Stronger than eye , stronger the techniques, no clue where you have been up until now..

2. I'm not comparing the 2, you people are the smart ones, who decided to compare the 2... yea because Edo Madara has Rikudou's yin chakra right?

Naruto needed all bijuus for that just like Sasuke needed Hashi cells and EMS
 

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Naruto needed all bijuus for that just like Sasuke needed Hashi cells and EMS

thats cool. But Sasuke did not unlock the rinnegan in a natural way.. Just letting you know that


Madara's rinnegan > Sasuke's rinnegan. Only reason you can claim Sasuke's rinnegan is better is if you use non-rikudou chakra powered up Madara.. and compare it to sasuke who is powered up by Rikudou's chakra.
 

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No naruto blossomed the RSM.

But i assume you want to be literal on jutsu descriptions right. If Naruto was given RSM, then Sasuke was given Rinnegan.. simple as that.
ur prev post
Because they were given the Yin chakra by the big man himself, right? Nice job in trying to be a smartass.. should stay on the topic and actually counter points..


BTW u need both Indra and Ashura's chakra to awaken Rinnegan
Sasuke has both

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No naruto blossomed the RSM.

But i assume you want to be literal on jutsu descriptions right. If Naruto was given RSM, then Sasuke was given Rinnegan.. simple as that.


Rikudou himself didn't have tomoe rinnegan. 2 eyed rinnegan > 1 eyed rinnegan.


1. Stronger than eye , stronger the techniques, no clue where you have been up until now..

2. I'm not comparing the 2, you people are the smart ones, who decided to compare the 2... yea because Edo Madara has Rikudou's yin chakra right?

They were both given the powers yet only Naruto blossomed it? Nice contradiction. They both awakened their powers.

Sasuke awakened it with Hagoromo's Yin (that he got from Hagoromo) and the amount of Ashura's chakra he got from Hashirama's remaining chakra.

Naruto awakened SOT6P because he had the chakra of all 9 Bijuu.
 

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thats cool. But Sasuke did not unlock the rinnegan in a natural way.. Just letting you know that


Madara's rinnegan > Sasuke's rinnegan. Only reason you can claim Sasuke's rinnegan is better is if you use non-rikudou chakra powered up Madara.. and compare it to sasuke who is powered up by Rikudou's chakra.
But Sasuke lost Rikudou chakra when the CT happened. That's y he can't do black chidiri
 

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But Sasuke lost Rikudou chakra when the CT happened. That's y he can't do black chidiri

No. Sasuke still has Rikudou's chakra. He used the Black Chidori with the seal in the beginning, and then later against Kaguya he used a normal Chidori. Which means it has nothing to do with the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei seal. He just opted to not use a Black Chidori.
 

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U know when referring to jutsu Kaguya was talking about the seal.

No, she was talking about the Chakra they hold, and it was Hagoromo's Chakra.

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It's not the seal that holds the power but their is what holds that Chakra. That is how Sasuke could release Rikudou's Chakra, and it's directly released from his Yin Seal hand. [ ]

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From the 4th Databook u only need to be concerned with the bold :|
Sasuke
Village: Unaffiliated
Rank: Unranked

ID # 012606
Birthday: 7/23 (17 years old), Leo
Height: 168.0cm, Weight: 52.2kg, Blood Type: AB
Personality: Cool, showing courage
Favourite: For Sasuke, while hunting animals, he spent time with his beloved older brother with the purpose of being able to share many moments being with him.

Chakra Nature: Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Water, Yin
Characteristic: Kekkei Genkai, Kuchiyose

I am going to the battlefield. This village…Itachi…(I won’t let them) be degraded to nothing!

He sees the previous world’s disturbances/upheaval as he OPENS his eyes that were inherited from his older brother.

During his childhood, he lost all of his relatives since that night. Since then, day after day, he began to wander in his darkness. Every connection/relationship (was going to be) cut, though on the other hand, pursuing the destiny of the Uchiha, and adhering to the BONDS of the village…

->In exchange for Itachi’s life, “Chokutomo”/Straight tomoe of the Mangekyou Sharingan were awakened.

However, even knowing Itachi’s true intentions, knowing that because Konoha flourished at the time, the world reflected in the pupils of his eyes were of a different scene/point of view. Every nindou (/ninja way) and dream came to finally be connected, the world’s revenge and upheaval…Cutting apart that fate, in order to spin a new history, Sasuke proceeded to walk towards his own dream.

-> Resurrected by Edo Tensei, reunited with Itachi, the truth of the downfall of the clan became known…!!

-> Implanting Itachi’s eyes, the Mangekyo Sharingan, giving an eternal light that was turned on, which also surpassed his older brother’s ninjutsu and doujutsu.

-> About 12 years ago: Older brother, Itachi, nostalgic memory. Whenever he would poke his forehead with a finger, shrinking the small distance with his older brother, Sasuke remembered a touch of loneliness.

When death separates love, a blood-stained “Avenger” is born.

(Hunting the Hachibi). At the chance of Itachi’s death, Sasuke understood the concealed past of the village, and he decided on a mission to crush Konoha. Cooperating with Akatsuki, assisting as collateral (in return for aid), Sasuke attacks the Hachibi. However, concerning the result of that action, it caused the Fourth Great Ninja War. While vaguely feeling that it was Madara’s aim, naturally, in order to fulfill his goal, he dared to do Madara’s (bidding?), and rode out the scenario…

-> While even knowing that the destruction of Konoha was not Itachi’s desire, holding back his hatred was impossible.

(RESTORATION/Revival of the Uchiha) Consequently, as a Uchiha, as Sasuke had lost everything, the revival of the his own clan was an act to regain himself. Because for destruction and the sake of the (reputation?) of the superior/excellent clan, fool’s blood was sacrificed. Because (of being) coerced into the irrational death, (the banner of?) revival was furthermore unreasonable*. Because he felt that he was turning towards the light of love of his older brother and relatives, Sasuke was dyed in the colour of revenge in deepening darkness.

-> Enlightened/opening his eyes to the Mangekyou Sharingan, it was proof of his love to Itachi.

-> Finally with Akatsuki on his sleeve, Sasuke was trying to fulfill his own goal. The obstacle blocking his way, with power, it is taken away.

A savage heart in him for his bitter enemies, in deepening darkness, also swallowing the shadows

(Gokage Conference) Itachi’s suffering… The ruin of the Uchiha was caused by the strategic planning of the upper division of the village. From the understanding of that day, Sasuke’s greatest enemy was decided to be the Hokage and their decisions, targeting the village anf their shinobi for revenge. Eager to cut off the chains that had cornered Itachi, Sasuke attacked each village’s Kage at the conference meeting.

-> Because of his hatred towards the world as Sasuke’s nindou/ninja way, Madara concluded…

(A battle told through eyes) Pressing for Itachi’s obligation to destroy the Uchiha, and (also about) Danzo (who was) snatching and collecting the Sharingan of the Uchiha…!! To bury the man in his own doujutsu, in order to pour the dishonoured spilled blood of his clan, Sasuke believed it to be a tribute to Itachi. the treatment of the Sharingan, and Itachi’s nindou/ninja way.

-> Deception of Izanagi, showing genjutsu, in reality, the sword pierced his enemy.

With a triumphant/smug look, talking to his foe, Sasuke’s wrath exceeded the boiling point. Taking advantage of thethe arrogance of Danzo’s abuse of the Sharingan, Sasuke achieved a magnificent revenge. But still in his eye, sufficient light was not being lit.

-> At the appearance of the fallen enemy, overlooking coldheartedly. From use of the Uchiha’s power during combat, closing the curtain on the victory over the man who drew the blood of the Uchiha.

Revenge or Unity… Drawing near the choice, repeated connections/relationships

(Exchanged fists and promises) Fallen into the darkness of revenge, Sasuke’s former friend is blocking the way to his teacher. Hanging onto his own nindou, Naruto declares that he will stop Sasuke. Remembering those words, the true nature of the throbbing of his heart, at the time, Sasuke still did not know.

-> In the midst of trying to lay a hand on Sakura, facing Kakashi, Kakashi tries to stop Sasuke with his own hands.

-> From Kakashi, turning to Naruto, truly murderous intent dwells in the chidori.

-> Exchanging fists, the two’s hearts and minds, mutual thoughts of a vision of future death were transmitted.

Itachi’s eyes.

After the fight with Naruto, immediately following the farewell and sworn to meet again, Sasuke desired Itachi’s eyes. Even though he hated the desires of the owner’s viewpoint, both eyes were decided to be transplanted…Once it was decided that he would possess the eyes, something within himself began to change. Sasuke wondered if he vaguely began to feel it…

-> The reason for implanting Itachi’s eyes: Explained to Madara that it was in order to take down Naruto.

-> With his older brother’s Sharingan, Sasuke received eternal light.

(United Front of Brothers) From Edo Tensei, a predestined chance encounter with Itachi was accomplished. With Sasuke, together against Kabuto, they were able to obtain victory. At the time, for the first time from his brother, realized as equals, the real truth was conveyed and accepted. Understanding the love/affection of his older brother and parents, the concealed hatred of darkness on his heart, little by little, cleared away.

-> From implanting those eyes, Itachi’s viewpoint still could not be reached. Even knowing that, Sasuke pressed Itachi for the truth.

-> Releasing souls from the seal of the shinigami, the Hokage were resurrected with Edo Tensei.

-> (The Ones Who Know Everything) What is a clan, a village, a shinobi? Having been entrusted with Itachi thoughts/feelings, various questions were brought to Sasuke’s attention. To decide how he should go forward, he didn’t know himself…In order to get that clue, Sasuke faced an encounter with the previous generations of Hokage.

(Decision) Hashirama’s dream of the development of Konoha, that was handed over to the Nidaime’s sense of duty, and then in the Sandaime’s generation, the regret over the destruction of the Uchiha…Over and over, on top of the wishes of the Hokage, it made an impression inside Sasuke. The past, personally comparing against his heart/mind, he was determined to make a decision!

-> Inside Sasuke, Hashirama saw his formerly sworn friend, Madara’s face. Having told the history of the village, he tested and tried to solve the ill feelings.

Keeping his decision hidden in his chest, Uchiha Sasuke, the three now come to battlefield

-> Opposing Madara , who was endowed with overwhelming power, the shinobi were forced to fight a hopeless battle. Appearing heroically in front of him, it was Sasuke who vowed to protect the village!

(Hokage) Because Konoha was driven to cause the destruction of the Uchiha, having been raised on the soil of his clan, it was evidence of the existence of the Uchiha. When those thoughts came to mind, “The Target of Powerful Destruction” was the village, then became “The Being/Existence of Power to Make Changes”: both were reflected in Sasuke’s eyes. Evidence of Itachi’s life/existence will not disappear!!

In order to fulfill a burning ambition in his chest, Sasuke assists on the battlefield to protect the village. And then, in front of his comrades of Konoha, he announced that he would become Hokage. Next to head the village, spinning history with his own hands. That was Sasuke’s intention, his own way’s (distinction?)*.

-> Sasuke’s dream of being Hokage consisted over denial of his predecessor’s (ideals).

(Expectations). The degeneration/corruption of the shinobi world, now succeeding/inheriting the past, interweaving with the consequences. In that case, in judgement of the cursed traditions, a new history to be made! The darkness dwelling in his own heart had not yet disappeared.

-> In order to build a new ideal world, including the legacy of the tailed beasts, trying to burn them with jet-black flames.

(Otsutsuki Kaguya) As Sasuke was the reincarnation of Indra, his was a PERSON with a destiny that was attached to the seal of Kaguya. From the Rikudou Sennin, awakening the Rinnegan and the key to the seal…Those were evidence of Sasuke heartfelt (effort) and desire in wanting to rescue the world.

-> While jointly struggling for a long time, outstanding cooperation was shown for the children of prophecy. As expected, it was Naruto and Sasuke, similar to being half (of eachother’s) bodies.

Naruto and Sasuke. The power of the two of them, piercing a God…


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The databook also said Madara is the only PS user, but we know that's incorrect. Databook holds no weight in here. And you might as well read more books, friend. Your comprehension is poor. The Viz literally doesn't say anything different from MS or MP.

''We've both benefited from the Six Path's power''

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And I have explained to Transcendence why Madara's statement holds no weight either.
 

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No, she was talking about the Chakra they hold, and it was Hagoromo's Chakra.

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It's not the seal that holds the power but their is what holds that Chakra. That is how Sasuke could release Rikudou's Chakra, and it's directly released from his Yin Seal hand. [ ]



The databook also said Madara is the only PS user, but we know that's incorrect. Databook holds no weight in here. And you might as well read more books, friend. Your comprehension is poor. The Viz literally doesn't say anything different from MS or MP.

''We've both benefited from the Six Path's power''

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And I have explained to Transcendence why Madara's statement holds no weight either.
Ok, first you can't just go around stating that things from the data book arent correct without reasonable doubt. Second, a jutsu is a skill and in order for such a skill to be executed you need chakra. That jutsu upon using the Six Path CT returned to Hagoromo. Even if the DB stated that Madz is the only PS user it just means that Sasuke and Kakashi's winged Susano'o isn't considered PS.
No. Sasuke still has Rikudou's chakra. He used the Black Chidori with the seal in the beginning, and then later against Kaguya he used a normal Chidori. Which means it has nothing to do with the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei seal. He just opted to not use a Black Chidori.

Continuing from where I left off with Madara Rules. Both Sasuke and Naruto have awakened their own Rikudou powers (Sasuke-Rinnegan, Naruto-RSM)

Naruto can no longer use his healing ability and Sasuke can't use black chidori. This is actually proven by the fact that Sasuke stated that he had to tap into the Six Path power. This means that it was not his own in fact he had to borrow some.
 

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They were both given the powers yet only Naruto blossomed it? Nice contradiction. They both awakened their powers.

Sasuke awakened it with Hagoromo's Yin (that he got from Hagoromo) and the amount of Ashura's chakra he got from Hashirama's remaining chakra.

Naruto awakened SOT6P because he had the chakra of all 9 Bijuu.

-sigh-, this is why you shouldn't interfere in a conversation when you don't understand it.

The dude was saying Naruto was given his RSM, and sasuke wasn't given the rinnegan. I said , no Naruto blossomed it, like Sasuke unlocked the rinnegan.. However, if Naruto was given the RSM, then yes Sasuke was given the rinnegan..


Naruto blossmed RSM because of rikudou's yang.

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I never denied he did not. o_O.

Natural unlocking of rinnegan = Rikudou + Madara (both eyes purple eyes with ripples)

non-natural unlocking of rinnegan = Sasuke (sharingan tomoes on 1 eyed rinnegan.)
 
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No naruto blossomed the RSM.

But i assume you want to be literal on jutsu descriptions right. If Naruto was given RSM, then Sasuke was given Rinnegan.. simple as that.


Rikudou himself didn't have tomoe rinnegan. 2 eyed rinnegan > 1 eyed rinnegan.


1. Stronger than eye , stronger the techniques, no clue where you have been up until now..

2. I'm not comparing the 2, you people are the smart ones, who decided to compare the 2... yea because Edo Madara has Rikudou's yin chakra right?

Edo Madara has Rikudou chakra yes and Sasuke even when he was fighting kaguya he didn't use the yin chakra given to him. The chakra aided him in awakening rinnegan, but besides the one chidori and the sealing Sasuke never used the six paths power.

To face facts Sasuke's eye is stronger than a single rinnegan because it is made from the requirements from natural rinnegan + Hagoromo's yin chakra
 
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Edo Madara has Rikudou chakra yes and Sasuke even when he was fighting kaguya he didn't use the yin chakra given to him. The chakra aided him in awakening rinnegan, but besides the one chidori and the sealing Sasuke never used the six paths power.

To face facts Sasuke's eye is stronger than a single rinnegan because it is made from the requirements from natural rinnegan + Hagoromo's yin chakra
cool keep on believing what you want mate. ^_^. Thank you for the discussion.
 

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I never denied he did not. o_O.

Natural unlocking of rinnegan = Rikudou + Madara (both eyes purple eyes with ripples)

non-natural unlocking of rinnegan = Sasuke (sharingan tomoes on 1 eyed rinnegan.)

Wut
all of them achieved Rinnegan naturally becoz sage's chakra aka hagoromo's chakra.There is no such thing as natural and unnatural awakening
 

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Continuing from where I left off with Madara Rules. Both Sasuke and Naruto have awakened their own Rikudou powers (Sasuke-Rinnegan, Naruto-RSM)

Naruto can no longer use his healing ability and Sasuke can't use black chidori. This is actually proven by the fact that Sasuke stated that he had to tap into the Six Path power. This means that it was not his own in fact he had to borrow some.

There is nothing to suggest that they lost Sage's Senjutsu. Nothing at all.
 

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I feel that specific types of powers can manifest themselves to specific people. As we've seen. Sauske didn't have limbo, but he did have a teleportation power, which Madara didn't have. Another reference would be that Obito has Kamui while no other sharingan shares that power.

My concern is why didn't Obito/Nagato have a super hack power? They both had the rinnigan longer than Madara and Sauske had them, and given how fast Sauske picked up his super power, you'd have thought Nagato and Obito would have looked into that.
 

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I feel that specific types of powers can manifest themselves to specific people. As we've seen. Sauske didn't have limbo, but he did have a teleportation power, which Madara didn't have. Another reference would be that Obito has Kamui while no other sharingan shares that power.

My concern is why didn't Obito/Nagato have a super hack power? They both had the rinnigan longer than Madara and Sauske had them, and given how fast Sauske picked up his super power, you'd have thought Nagato and Obito would have looked into that.

Your first point doesn't discredit the OP in the slightest.

They didn't have it because it wasn't their eyes. Only the original owner of the Dojutsu can wield the full power. Which is why Madara can use Limbo whereas Nagato/Obito can't. I suspect only Sasuke could use Amenotejikara whereas if he implanted it in someone else, they wouldn't be able to use it.
 

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I don't see why not. Nothing actually suggest that it exclusively belongs to Madara. He was able to Limbo (Lol) because as the original awakener, he has access to its full power compared to Nagato and Obito. Sasuke has the Rinnegan equal to or surpass Madara since it directly came from Hagoromo so...yeah. I think he should be able to use it.
 

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Your first point doesn't discredit the OP in the slightest.

They didn't have it because it wasn't their eyes. Only the original owner of the Dojutsu can wield the full power. Which is why Madara can use Limbo whereas Nagato/Obito can't. I suspect only Sasuke could use Amenotejikara whereas if he implanted it in someone else, they wouldn't be able to use it.

The rinnigan confuses me more than the sharingan if this is then true. As anyone can have full access to sharningan powers just by ripping out the eyeball. And since the rinnigan is an evolution of the sharingan, you'd think the same principal applies.
 

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The rinnigan confuses me more than the sharingan if this is then true. As anyone can have full access to sharningan powers just by ripping out the eyeball. And since the rinnigan is an evolution of the sharingan, you'd think the same principal applies.

It's not an evolution of the Sharingan in the conventional sense. That was Kabuto and Orochimaru's logic, but it was proven completely wrong. The Rin'negan only needs Ashura and Indra's chakra to merge, so theoretically even Naruto could awaken the Rin'negan if Sasuke shared his chakra/DNA with him. The same principles don't apply to the eyes.
 

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It's not an evolution of the Sharingan in the conventional sense. That was Kabuto and Orochimaru's logic, but it was proven completely wrong. The Rin'negan only needs Ashura and Indra's chakra to merge, so theoretically even Naruto could awaken the Rin'negan if Sasuke shared his chakra/DNA with him. The same principles don't apply to the eyes.

So basically, in the entire shinobi history, only four occasions have arisen where Ashura and Indra's chakra have been reincarnated (Madara/Hashirama and Naruto/Sauske) is what I'm hearing then?
 
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