[Discussion] Hashirama and Madara

[Meowazziel]

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Madara saying in the pages ''I always hated people following behind me'', a reference to that he cant pee while someone is standing behind him

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Did Hashirama and Madara become friends again, when Madara was dying?
They have always been friends of course, but did they make peace with each other again?
Madara seems to realise that Hashirama his way might have been the right way after all (entrusting things to a new generation, because you cant do it all alone in your lifetime), which is a bit similar to how Sasuke said that he lost, because he saw that his (Sasuke's) peace plan wont work.
Both Madara and Sasuke tried to cut their bond with their friend (Hashirama and Naruto) but in the end, this bond seems to have been repaired in both cases.

Please share your view.

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To add a nice quote of Itachi to the thread.
No matter what you have done, you never know what sort of person you are till the end.

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In the end, the Madara and Hashirama friendship couldnt be completely cut and was fixed again.

Dont you agree?

 

[Gerkak]

Indeed it seems that way

 

[NineSNS]

Agreed, but Madara really managed to hang onto their differences until the very last second.

 

[Limbo]

They were friends, but he didn't regret anything, which means, no tnj worked on him, even in death he remained badass.

 

[minamoto]

reread the panels well .Madara was speaking about immortality...befor Madara dies he told hashirama " YOU ARE STILL NAIVE".......Madara would never entrust the next coming generations...thats why he needed to stay immortal (tobidara) untill he realizes his MEP by himself.....

-even when Madara was agoning he never gave up on his plans and ideals......but at the same time he still had feelings of friendship with hashirama and and said that..Maybe hashirama's way was the right..."


-Hashirama thought that Madara has finally died..but the whole conv can be a hint of Madara being still alive....

-Madara is like oro...they both realized that to achieve their goals, then they must stay immortal...

- the Panel where itachi says " you never know what sort of person you are ,untill you die.."........was said when kisame died protecting ,the secrets of tobi's true identity (to be Madara still alive!!!).....you can not use it to confirme Madara's death!!!!

 

[Meowazziel]

reread the panels well .Madara was speaking about immortality...befor Madara dies he told hashirama " YOU ARE STILL NAIVE".......Madara would never entrust the next coming generations...thats why he needed to stay immortal (tobidara) untill he realizes his MEP by himself.....

-even when Madara was agoning he never gave up on his plans and ideals......but at the same time he still had feelings of friendship with hashirama and and said that..Maybe hashirama's way was the right..."


-Hashirama thought that Madara has finally died..but the whole conv can be a hint of Madara being still alive....

-Madara is like oro...they both realized that to achieve their goals, then they must stay immortal...

- the Panel where itachi says " you never know what sort of person you are ,untill you die.."........was said when kisame died protecting ,the secrets of tobi's true identity (to be Madara still alive!!!).....you can not use it to confirme Madara's death!!!!

Where is the word naive written? If its in the viz, than you should show that page.

Madara says that his own dream is no more and that Hashirama's dream continue's, because Hashirama could entrust it to others and new generations.

Madara also says ''if thats how, we will'' to drinking as comrades (which you can see figuratively speaking as well, due to them dying and not having the time right there on earth to drink). Meaning they are comrades again, because he says yes to that. The friendship bond wasnt completely cut and is repaired again.

That page about Kisame and Itachi talking about death, can be used for anyone's death.
They talk about people in general. That no matter what you have done, you never know what sort of person you are until the end.

One of the most important points in this series, is that you cant do everything on your own.
Which is something that we could see happen again with Madara (as we have seen it happen with others).
Madara became more and more blinded with arrogance the more powerful he became.
He thought it would be better to do it all alone. Becoming blind to whats really important.

He failed because he didnt trust or entrust others.
He has realised it though before he died.

 

[minamoto]

Where is the word naive written? If its in the viz, than you should show that page.

Madara says that his own dream is no more and that Hashirama's dream continue's, because Hashirama could entrust it to others and new generations.

Madara also says ''if thats how, we will'' to drinking as comrades (which you can see figuratively speaking as well, due to them dying and not having the time right there on earth to drink). Meaning they are comrades again, because he says yes to that. The friendship bond wasnt completely cut and is repaired again.

That page about Kisame and Itachi talking about death, can be used for anyone's death.
They talk about people in general. That no matter what you have done, you never know what sort of person you are until the end.

One of the most important points in this series, is that you cant do everything on your own.
Which is something that we could see happen again with Madara (as we have seen it happen with others).
Madara became more and more blinded with arrogance the more powerful he became.
He thought it would be better to do it all alone. Becoming blind to whats really important.

He failed because he didnt trust or entrust others.
He has realised it though before he died.

dude madara was talking about immortality.. he never gave up on his dreams.....the only talknojutsu and emotional part was when madara somehow confessed his reall feelings of him and hashirama being friends....Madara deep in his heart never hated hashirama.....the uchihas may seem full of hatred but like tobirama said no one could tresor love for others like uchihas did!!!..

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[Meowazziel]

dude madara was talking about immortality.. he never gave up on his dreams.....the only talknojutsu and emotional part was when madara somehow confessed his reall feelings of him and hashirama being friends....Madara deep in his heart never hated hashirama.....the uchihas may seem full of hatred but like tobirama said no one could tresor love for others like uchihas did!!!..

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Them talking about immortality at the start of their convo does not matter as in
it does not do anything to my post and points.

Madara said ''my dream is no more'', which means he realises that he cant make it happen.
If he cant change as in being able to let people follow him, than he should have followed others.
Even Oro could change, so who knows, maybe Madara would have been able to as well.

I never said anywhere in the thread that Madara hated Hashirama.
I said the friendship bond was never cut completely.
Meaning it always remained in an active form.

You have not point out where the word naive is used btw.

 

[minamoto]

Them talking about immortality at the start of their convo does not matter as in
it does not do anything to my post and points.

Madara said ''my dream is no more'', which means he realises that he cant make it happen.
If he cant change as in being able to let people follow him, than he should have followed others.
Even Oro could change, so who knows, maybe Madara would have been able to as well.

I never said anywhere in the thread that Madara hated Hashirama.
I said the friendship bond was never cut completely.
Meaning it always remained in an active form.


You have not point out where the word naive is used btw.

its not exactly about immortality its more about Madara not entrusting the next coming generations thats why he needed to stay immortal.....rukudo Madara died but another part of himself is still alive TOBIDARA!!!

- i never said you said madara hated hashi !!!!!!!...i was just exlaining you my opinion!!

-in other manga translations it says "naive"....even if the term used is "soft" it could still be interpreted as naive.....

-again reread the panels well...if Madara was dead indeed then kishimoto wouldve spent a whole chapter on his death .....but instead kishi just showed us panels of a Madara agoning....kishimoto never confirmed Madara's death with big bold writing in the end such us "THE END OF THE LEGENDARY SHINOBI"..or something like dat.........kishi just showed us panels of Madara's body lying on the ground....and he left the rest for our interpretations...

 

[Meowazziel]

Soft is not the same as naive.
Two completely different words.

 

[Demonic.]

reread the panels well .Madara was speaking about immortality...befor Madara dies he told hashirama " YOU ARE STILL NAIVE".......Madara would never entrust the next coming generations...thats why he needed to stay immortal (tobidara) untill he realizes his MEP by himself.....

-even when Madara was agoning he never gave up on his plans and ideals......but at the same time he still had feelings of friendship with hashirama and and said that..Maybe hashirama's way was the right..."


-Hashirama thought that Madara has finally died..but the whole conv can be a hint of Madara being still alive....

-Madara is like oro...they both realized that to achieve their goals, then they must stay immortal...

- the Panel where itachi says " you never know what sort of person you are ,untill you die.."........was said when kisame died protecting ,the secrets of tobi's true identity (to be Madara still alive!!!).....you can not use it to confirme Madara's death!!!!

Dude shut up

 

[minamoto]

Dude shut up

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[Meowazziel]

Okay people, back on topic of the thread please.

 

[Bansho Tenin]

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hello AlTroll !!.......

just because of a persons join date doesn't mean its an alternative username. you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is an alt of someone else. such kid logic.

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focus is on the kids and the pairings. so there rules out your theory.

 

[Bansho Tenin]

Madara is dead. you don't survive from having all that extracted from you. Obito died as well from the same thing. He respected Hashirama enough to still be friends with him even though their differences in the end, because Hashirama never stopped trying to save his friend. Just like Naruto and Sasuke but with a better result in the end.