CES = fanmade.

[KingHashirama]

CES aka Chakra enhanced strength.... the term is used to talk about Sakura and Tsunade's strength. And ONLY theres.. not anyone elses.

Apparently CES is some sort of special technique learned by Tsunade and Sakura.. however, neither the manga or databook mention CES. For the people who'll go on narutowiki, and tell me to go to chapter 156..sorry but there is no mention of CES.

There will be some who will now say "of we just mean their strength is enhanced by chakra".... BUT going with that logic, ALL OF THE STRONGEST PHYSICAL CHARACTERS use Chakra enhanced strength. Without chakra they pretty much have no strength.. as Kakashi showed.. without chakra they can't even move.


The difference between Tsunade/Sakura compared to people like Ay/Gai and etc is that those 2 control their chakra to furthermore increase their strength. Its their control, that lets them have deadly strength, not some technique called CES thats special to them.. Because CES = doesn't exist as a technique.







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My point was just to clear up this whole crap about
"Ohh Tsunade and Sakura are the only ones who use chakra enhanced strength"

and the thing people use to justify that claim is:
"Oh they use CES".

And then someone logical says:
"oh dude Gai uses CES also then"

They countered again with the same shitty excuse:
"Oh but they have technique called CES"

Uhh no the f*ck they don't. I don't even know where the bloody Narutowiki got their crap from rofl.

Basically this jutsu or technique called "CES" = fanmade crap. By CES I'm also again referring to this fan made term used for only Sakura and Tsunade. I'm not talking about the general term of "chakra enhanced strength".

 

[Meowazziel]

Uuh from the wiki

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[The Necromancer]

I agree somewhat. Tsunade and Sakura just have extremely precise chakra control that they manifest in superior strength for a majority of their attacks.

Anyone who has ever used a shunshin is using CES.

 

[KingHashirama]

CES might not exist as an official term, but what Tsunade and Sakura a different use of chakra to cause dmg than lets say the raikages.

Raikage's sterngth is backed by his chakra.. without chakra ninja can't do shit.. I mean i can show plenty of scans what happens to ninja once they don't have chakra.

I agree somewhat. Tsunade and Sakura just have extremely precise chakra control that they manifest in superior strength for a majority of their attacks.

Anyone who has ever used a shunshin is using CES.

yea, thats pretty much it. If they want to have physical strength to lift, they simply focus on that hand, if they want to punch crap, they simply release the chakra in that hand.

And yea shunshin/8th gate/ Ay's armor all are chakra enhancements. But even without them ninja are still enhanced by chakra compared to normal people.

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

Indeed it is, but its just a term .

 

[HENI]

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[Meowazziel]

Raikage's sterngth is backed by his chakra.. without chakra ninja can't do shit.. I mean i can show plenty of scans what happens to ninja once they don't have chakra.

Look what I found.

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This is a technique where the user focuses chakra into their hands and feet using precise chakra control and releases it with pinpoint timing,[1] which greatly enhances their strength. Tsunade created the concept of this technique to intimidate enemies and keep them at bay while she healed injured shinobi.

The training for this technique is quite arduous, as Tsunade repeatedly came at Sakura with full power to help her learn.[2] Subsequently, the outcome of this training is incredible, giving the user enough strength to easily make gigantic craters or kill opponents with single strikes.[3]

So yeah its different from how the Raikages use it.

Not all shinobi use chakra in the same way.

 

[KingHashirama]

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This is a technique where the user focuses chakra into their hands and feet using precise chakra control and releases it with pinpoint timing,[1] which greatly enhances their strength. Tsunade created the concept of this technique to intimidate enemies and keep them at bay while she healed injured shinobi.

The training for this technique is quite arduous, as Tsunade repeatedly came at Sakura with full power to help her learn.[2] Subsequently, the outcome of this training is incredible, giving the user enough strength to easily make gigantic craters or kill opponents with single strikes.[3]

So yeah its different from how the Raikages use it.

Not all shinobi use chakra in the same way.

hmmmm already addressed in the OP

For the people who'll go on narutowiki, and tell me to go to chapter 156..sorry but there is no mention of CES.

I don't even know where the bloody Narutowiki got their crap from rofl.
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Narutowiki is probably the one responsible for spreading this crap.

 

[Meowazziel]

hmmmm already addressed in the OP.

No you have not. The way the chakra is collected in the fist with precise chakra control and released with pinpoint timing is way different from other users.
The reason why Tsunade was known for her monster strength is this type of useage of chakra.
And apparently Hashirama even uses it in a game according to the wiki.

It is not just something every shinobi can use.

You can call it monster strength for all I care. I dont care about the name but no matter how you call it, it exists and in the manga it is exclusive to Tsunade and Sakura.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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For this reason and this reason only is why their strength is referred to as "chakra enhanced"

 

[KingHashirama]

No you have not. The way the chakra is collected in the fist with precise chakra control and released with pinpoint timing is way different from other users.
The reason why Tsunade was known for her monster strength is this type of useage of chakra.
And apparently Hashirama even uses it in a game according to the wiki.

It is not just something every shinobi can use.

You can call it monster strength for all I care. I dont care about the name but no matter how you call it, it exists and in the manga it is exclusive to Tsunade and Sakura.

Please use the internet to check if wiki even has credible backing on their information.. and not some made up shit.

Sorry but wikipedia f*cked up on that, the description of "CES" in the wiki, is actually the description of sakura's punch..

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For this reason and this reason only is why their strength is referred to as "chakra enhanced"

Most ninja use focusing chakra on the foot and then releasing it for high speed movement, basic technique in the ninja. << aka "CES". And thats my entire point, that its not some technique only Sakura and Tsunade have.. every single ninja uses chakra enhancement in physicality, only difference is, Sakura and Tsunade are master in controlling chakra. << All they are doing is using the chakra they already have... They aren't doing some special jutsu.. or adding some other chakra like Naruto and kurama.

^^ Used by pretty much every single ninja in the series, a basic technique.

 

[Meowazziel]

Please use the internet to check if wiki even has credible backing on their information.. and not some made up shit.

Sorry but wikipedia f*cked up on that, the description of "CES" in the wiki, is actually the description of sakura's punch..

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Most ninja use focusing chakra on the foot and then releasing it for high speed movement, basic technique in the ninja. << aka "CES". And thats my entire point.

^^ Used by pretty much every single ninja in the series, a basic technique.

No it is not used by any ninja in the series. Your page and the one from Benjermingave show, that it requires superb chakra control and is an adaptation of medical jutsu. Chakra of the highest intensity, released instantaniously.

This is not something any shinobi uses or can use as you say.

The term Superhumanstrength that they use on that page is basically CES.

 

[Young Vongola]

The point people are trying to make is that it's not their brute physical strength. People like Guy and Ay have physically strong bodies where they don't need to focus chakra in a specific point to enhance their ability like Sakura and Tsunade do.

Are you trying to say that every character that's ever thrown a strong punch focuses a large amount chakra in their fist and then releases it when they hit the target? Because that is wrong.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Please use the internet to check if wiki even has credible backing on their information.. and not some made up shit.

Sorry but wikipedia f*cked up on that, the description of "CES" in the wiki, is actually the description of sakura's punch..

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Most ninja use focusing chakra on the foot and then releasing it for high speed movement, basic technique in the ninja. << aka "CES". And thats my entire point.

^^ Used by pretty much every single ninja in the series, a basic technique.

A)Concentrating chakra to the foot is different from concentrating chakra to the hand. Hence the difference names.
B) Chakra control isn't the factor in body flicker(unlike ces). Chakra quantity is.

 

[KingHashirama]

No it is not used by any ninja in the series. Your page and the one from Benjermingave show, that it requires superb chakra control and is an adaptation of medical jutsu. Chakra of the highest intensity, released instantaniously.

This is not something any shinobi uses or can use as you say.

The term Superhumanstrength that they use on that page is basically CES.

"super human strength"..... thank you but Raikage/Gai and etc also have super human strength.

And also, controlling chakra and focusing it on one point to increase something physically.. is something all ninja have. Sakura as a genin used it in part 1.

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A)Concentrating chakra to the foot is different from concentrating chakra to the hand. Hence the difference names.
B) Chakra control isn't the factor in body flicker(unlike ces). Chakra quantity is.

1. not really. To be faster you must have better foot or leg strength.. that allow you to get a quick and a faster take off. << CES. And the punch you are referring to is called Okasho, not CES.

2. Chakra quanity is a factor in everything. The reason Sakura and Tsunade have monsterous strength via chakra control, is because they can focus more chakra into one point than others. Why can they focus more? Because they have better chakra control.

 

[Meowazziel]

"super human strength"..... thank you but Raikage/Gai and etc also have super human strength.

And also, controlling chakra and focusing it on one point to increase something physically.. is something all ninja have. Sakura as a genin used it in part 1.

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That is something completely different in your link. Either you are trolling and enjoying people trying to keep explaining it to you or you just dont get it.

Besides what Tsunade and Sakura use is as said, an adapatation of medical ninjutsu and that is not something that every shinobi uses.

Young Vongola in post #13 gives a good explanation as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

The point people are trying to make is that it's not their brute physical strength. People like Guy and Ay have physically strong bodies where they don't need to focus chakra in a specific point to enhance their ability like Sakura and Tsunade do.

Are you trying to say that every character that's ever thrown a strong punch focuses a large amount chakra in their fist and then releases it when they hit the target? Because that is wrong.

No ninja has brute strength.. That is the whole point. So how does ONLY controling the chakra you have = CES (again fanmade shit made for excuses), but people needing chakra to even freaking move = non-chakra enhancement...

Furthermore, what you described is 1 technique used by Sakura and Tsunade known as the Okasho punch. Its name is not CES.

Ninja without chakra = Dead fodders:

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That is something completely different in your link. Either you are trolling and enjoying people trying to keep explaining it to you or you just dont get it.

Besides what Tsunade and Sakura use is as said, an adapatation of medical ninjutsu and that is not something that every shinobi uses.

Young Vongola in post #13 gives a good explanation as well.

No what they use for their punch is an adaption of medical ninjutus.. Okasho =/= CES... That technique has a name... and its not CES.

And also, all ninja use chakra control.

PS: strength =/= punching hard.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

"super human strength"..... thank you but Raikage/Gai and etc also have super human strength.

And also, controlling chakra and focusing it on one point to increase something physically.. is something all ninja have. Sakura as a genin used it in part 1.

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1. not really. To be faster you must have better foot or leg strength.. that allow you to get a quick and a faster take off. << CES. And the punch you are referring to is called Okasho, not CES.

2. Chakra quanity is a factor in everything. The reason Sakura and Tsunade have monsterous strength via chakra control, is because they can focus more chakra into one point than others. Why can they focus more? Because they have better chakra control.

1. Yes really, if that wasn't the case ces wouldn't be ces and shunshin wouldn't be shunshin, it be one and the same. When comes to shunshin chakra quantity comes before control. The scan of sakura proves absolutely nothing seeing as how her starting distance was at most 3ft. Why she needs shunshin for that? Lord knows.

2.No: here's were you're wrong. The Body Flicker Technique is a high-speed movement technique, allowing a ninja to move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed.[2] To an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported. A puff of smoke is occasionally used to disguise the user's movements. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Yes really, if that wasn't the case ces wouldn't be ces and shunshin wouldn't be shunshin, it be one and the same. When comes to shunshin chakra quantity comes before control. The scan of sakura proves absolutely nothing seeing as how her starting distance was at most 3ft. Why she needs shunshin for that? Lord knows.

2.No: here's were you're wrong. The Body Flicker Technique is a high-speed movement technique, allowing a ninja to move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed.[2] To an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported. A puff of smoke is occasionally used to disguise the user's movements. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination.

1. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CES. roflll. No technique in the history of Naruto manga is called CES. So idk what you mean by "ces wouldn't be called ces". Okasho = release of chakra to increase to cause a devstating punch, Shunshin = usage of chakra to increase speed. Now if you knew what "strength" is you'd know shunshin is form of strength. Speed correlates with strength. Furthermore, no one said Sakura is using shunshin.. she has nowhere near the mastery of that jutsu.

2. According to them Minato ain't even got shunshin. =] . Hopefully, you know every jutsu requires chakra control.... Furthermore, even Okasho = More chakra = stronger punch.. so saying "no shunshin is about quantity and not control.." is just bad point.

@underline , vitalize = give strength and energy to.

 

[Young Vongola]

No ninja has brute strength.. That is the whole point. So how does ONLY controling the chakra you have = CES (again fanmade shit made for excuses), but people needing chakra to even freaking move = non-chakra enhancement...

Furthermore, what you described is 1 technique used by Sakura and Tsunade known as the Okasho punch. Its name is not CES.

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No what they use for their punch is an adaption of medical ninjutus.. Okasho =/= CES... That technique has a name... and its not CES.

And also, all ninja use chakra control.

PS: strength =/= punching hard.

You know chakra is physical and spiritual energy combined, right? You're really sitting here trying to say that no character has physical strength? You think the Third Raikage and part one Sakura have the same physical strength? Honestly..

Focusing chakra in certain areas of the body is a technique that requires chakra control which Tsunade and Sakura have mastered just to increase the destructive capacity of their physical attacks.

Not all characters do that...I don't know why you're trying to say they do and that Sakura and Tsunade's method is fanmade...the term is fanmade, sure, but the concept is not.

and btw I just used the punch as an example.