How to avoid 8th Guy's attacks? ( Except FTG and Kamui )

[lndra]

do u know how?

Nohow.

U can't he is just to fast do to s&%!

LMAO. Preach

Somehow Kishi made him slow down in the air ... plot.

 

[loj]

LMAO. Preach

Somehow Kishi made him slow down in the air ... plot.

Im sure Gai should be in top 10 just because of 8th gate.

Even databooks says that 8th gate strikes deadly.

 

[lndra]

Im sure Gai should be in top 10 just because of 8th gate.

Even databooks says that 8th gate strikes deadly.

I may be hyping him too much, but Madara seemed to only survive that monster because he absorbed that power, so it made him temporarily invincible.
I really feel as if Gai could even destroy Naruto and Sasuke both, or at best put them on the edge of death.

Either way I completely agree. Top 10 for sure.

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Let's all imagine 8 gates + Yin Seal + Mitotic regeneration

 

[loj]

I may be hyping him too much, but Madara seemed to only survive that monster because he absorbed that power, so it made him temporarily invincible.
I really feel as if Gai could even destroy Naruto and Sasuke both, or at best put them on the edge of death.

Either way I completely agree. Top 10 for sure.

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Let's all imagine 8 gates + Yin Seal + Mitotic regeneration

Im sure he would destroy them...

LOL is that's possible u would be invincible.

 

[BLAZE]

I don't understand you're rebuttle man. I was explaining the rapid hits when he used the first > four steps.
Please read the topics over so you don't get confused again, but it's no biggie.

Not really
Madara was excited to see a powerfull opponent.After the first hit madara became serious enough to avoid direct hit from it.

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Also his points were dubunked thanks to our friend's the translators. Guess that means your judgement was wrong ~

Gai goes toward madara

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Minato asks him to keep moving and I don't think gai knew anything aout minato's plan to help him.
Gai keeps on moving while Lee with 6 gates throws the kunai

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Minato teleports twice.
Infront of gai using the kunai dat lee threw to wrap of the goudamas and the then teleport away

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The hit lands on maddy after kakashi kamui's a mobile gai

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[lndra]

Not really
Madara was excited to see a powerfull opponent.After the first hit madara became serious enough to avoid direct hit from it


Gai goes toward madara

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Minato asks him to keep moving and I don't think gai knew anything aout minato's plan to help him.
Gai keeps on moving while Lee with 6 gates throws the kunai

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Minato teleports twice.
Infront of gai using the kunai dat lee threw to wrap of the goudamas and the then teleport away

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The hit lands on maddy

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I can't see the pictures but lemme see if I remember this correctly. Though our back and forth was cleared by the previous data book ...so I don't see a point of giving me links.

Anyway recap: Once Gai finished Night Elephant and he sent Madara backwards, he was in the air. Moving but somehow he wasn't moving at full speed, and then Minato/Kakashi/Lee did their stuff while Madara was preparing a counterattack after being thrashed by Night Elephant.

At the end he said he was excited. That's all I remember from memory though. Also they asked him to keep moving forward so that he wouldn't be afraid of going through it, they moved/prepared while he was using the technique. They knew Madara was going to plan an attack with the Gudoudama.

 

[xxSAGExx]

The only way I think for someone who wants to survive against Evening Elephant and Night Month is to awaken Perfect Susanoo or use Buddha Statue, however as soon as Guy keeps attacking then he can destroy them.

Other ways to block or avoid 8th Guy?

You can avoid 8th Gate Gai by having faster speed. Gai increase his speed with Shunshin where he focus chakra into his feet so anyone with more chakra and is skilled in Shunshin can dodge Gai or counter him plus having the bonus or doujutsus and/or sensory ability. Nagato stops him with Deva path, Madara uses Deva path or TSB or PS or limbo which stopped Sakura's enhanced strength, Sasukeat 29-30 use Deva path or Rinnegan shift or Shunshin (his eyes would see Gai) or PS or Amaterasu arrows or body chidori. Naruto with KM alone had speed comparable to FTG but he had Yang Kurama and lack experiences with that speed so a 29-30 Naruto who have full Kurama to further increase his speed plus shown to master Shunshin in base will easily outspeed anyone in the manga when his 17 yrs old self with Yin Kurama and Sage senjutsus outsped Kaguya.

Top tiers can avoid or block 8 gate Gai since Naruto and Sasuke are way stronger by the end of the manga, Madara was heavily nerfed and Gai still needed help from Edo Minato, Gaara, Kakashi, and 6th gate Lee.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Guy didn't slow down one bit.

1. guy said he'd attack continuously without giving Madara time to react
2. Minato told him to keep moving (basically whatever happens, don't stop)

Unless you're Madara and seek the troll of the fight, then you'd lose. If you know what the gates are capable of and have any sort of common sense (and speed/space time ninjutsu). Then it's possible to avoid.

 

[BLAZE]

I can't see the pictures but lemme see if I remember this correctly. Though our back and forth was cleared by the previous data book ...so I don't see a point of giving me links.

i would like see wut was cleared in Previous DB and how the Eighth gate was able to enter it when when Gai first use Daytime Tiger in ch 506 and DB 3 covers upto chp 402

Anyway recap: Once Gai finished Night Elephant and he sent Madara backwards, he was in the air. Moving but somehow he wasn't moving at full speed, and then Minato/Kakashi/Lee did their stuff while Madara was preparing a counterattack after being thrashed by Night Elephant.

madara was trying to avoid direct hit from gai's fist as u can see in th scan i posted

At the end he said he was excited. That's all I remember from memory though. Also they asked him to keep moving forward so that he wouldn't be afraid of going through it, they moved/prepared while he was using the technique. They knew Madara was going to plan an attack with the Gudoudama.

1.Yes Minato was able teleport twice.In front of attacking gai and then teloprt away while gai was still marching ahead.
2.Kakashi was able to Kamui the same gai

 

[lndra]

Guy didn't slow down one bit.

1. guy said he'd attack continuously without giving Madara time to react
2. Minato told him to keep moving (basically whatever happens, don't stop)

Unless you're Madara and seek the troll of the fight, then you'd lose. If you know what the gates are capable of and have any sort of common sense (and speed/space time ninjutsu). Then it's possible to avoid.

1. I'm talking after Night Elpehant (On how they were able to formulate a plan to block the black balls, it was shown during the DB). Not during, see the difference and read the posts before to understand clearly.
2. Yes I know this, thanks for commenting for nothing.

i would like see wut was cleared in Previous DB and how the Eighth gate was able to enter it when when Gai first use Daytime Tiger in ch and DB 3 covers upto chp 402



madara was trying to avoid direct hit from gai's fist as u can see in th scan i posted


1.Yes Minato was able teleport twice.In front of attacking gai and then teloprt away while gai was still marching ahead.
2.Kakashi was able to Kamui the same gai

On my phone. Look at the thread yourself, it's somewhere in the first list. Pretty active I believe.

I can't see the posts but it won't really matter.

Once Gai finished Madara and sent him backwards (THE DB Stated NightE moves at an unstoppable speed, therefore Minato/Lee/Kakashi/and whoever would not have had time to plan this. Nor catch up to him) Therefore you can summarize the events yourself lol.

 

[shelke]

This should be taken into consideration.

Madara was playing Gai's game in a battle of taijustu, the fact is the Gai is fast no doubt but he is not instant.

Madara excepted Gai as the strongest taijustu user:

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Stating that he is the strongest in that field, Madara stood there waiting taking Gai's attacks head on.

Afterwards he fights Naruto and Sasuke on a serious speed level battle.

In this battle, Madara was not fighting with anything else but taijustu and the flailing of his rikudou staff

As a juubi jinchuuriki your speed becomes instant, even Kakashi noted that Madara was moving that fast when he grabbed his eye

I completely agree, as Madara was able to block and intercept his attacks.

I would expect that from Rock Lee speed without weights, but Rock Lee with Gates is impossible for Neji to track. Byakugan does not track movement.

Gai ... he might be a master. Though I cannot see him being able to track that speed normally, but I may be wrong. Kakashi with the Sharingan .. the dojutsu can only track up to a certain speed. Meaning: A certain level in the Gates cannot be tracked by the Sharingan's muscle movement psuedo prediction.

Agreed with the both of you.

I am aware of Byakugan's shortcoming in this regard, but apparently, he was able to track his movements. Sharingan is different. Pre-cognition and reaction are only related in fight. For example, despite Karin beliving that Sharingan could not follow Raikage's movement in V2, Sasuke could. His body however was far too slow to actually react.

This is evident from the fact that right before Raikage could make an attack in V2, Sasuke used Kagatsuchi. Now Kakashi reacting to Lee, and following his movements, is again, two different things. He isn't engaged in a battle with him, so all he has to do is watch.

 

[A v i]

Yes but he knew the charge was coming. There is a difference between seeing an incredible lightning bolt form, and one shooting down before you know it.

The problem is Minato didn't just saw that from a distance. He dodged Guys attack.

Was he going at full speed though? Was it 8 gate gai?
Lee wouldn't be able to match his speed if he wasn't at that power, and Kakashi could not keep up with that speed in his borrowed Sharingan.

Then that explains why Madara saw it.

It was Guys top speed.

EE is an attack which goes from Speed 1 to Speed 5 as noted by Lee

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Last and Top speed :

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Minato dodged Gosoku.

 

[1Told]

Guy didn't slow down one bit.

1. guy said he'd attack continuously without giving Madara time to react
2. Minato told him to keep moving (basically whatever happens, don't stop)

Unless you're Madara and seek the troll of the fight, then you'd lose. If you know what the gates are capable of and have any sort of common sense (and speed/space time ninjutsu). Then it's possible to avoid.

this!!!
would make no sense to slow down since Madara original speed went far >>> after he became the juubi jinchuuriki :eww:

 

[BLAZE]

Once Gai finished Madara and sent him backwards (THE DB Stated NightE moves at an unstoppable speed, therefore Minato/Lee/Kakashi/and whoever would not have had time to plan this. Nor catch up to him) Therefore you can summarize the events yourself lol.

Databook is full of hyperboles
Yasaka Magatama is said to attack upto thousands of miles
Limbo Hengoku is a Rinnegan tech dat cannot be countered and the caster is invincible.Debunked in manga
Amenotejikara is said to require object for shifting while Sasuke has shown to shift himself and others multiple times without any object

It was Guys top speed.

EE is an attack which goes from Speed 1 to Speed 5 as noted by Lee

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Minato dodged Gansoku.

+rep for this ^^^^
its rare to see u in ND Lol

 

[Apêx1]

The Byakugan evidently can track any movement due to its ability to focus at nigh 360 degrees around the user, whereas the average eye is only capable of focusing on a good 3 degrees in front of them, and the rest being extremely blurring/unfocused vision. Someone blocking from in front and behind them means they can see everything around them, meaning no matter how much you move, they can see where you are without moving their eyes, which in my opinion, is far superior to the Sharingan's ability to perceive an opponent.

 

[Captain Isabela]

I am amazed how people have the energy to think about these things

 

[Transcendence]

Hmm...

Gudoudama. Superior Sensory to Madara (so really, only Kaguya and Naruto). And flight to get out of his range. That's about it.

 

[Meowazziel]

Regarding the whole Madara vs Gai, Lee, Kakashi, Minato, Gaara and people being able to match Gai's speed or see him:

I think even though they said ''dont stop'' to Gai, he still could hold back a bit/decide not to hit Minato, due to Minato being a friendly target, yet, he listened to the ''dont stop'' by continueing to move in a straight line to Madara. Dont stop as in dont cancel your attack against Madara. Keep moving forward. With this letting Gai know that they would take care of any counters for him.

Minato knew what Gai was about to do (attacking Madara who was shielding himself) and so did Lee, Gaara and Kakashi, which makes it easier for them to time their abilities and prevent counters vs Gai, compared to if Gai would have been an enemy target, from who they didnt know what he was gonna do.

Madara was shielding himself after taking some heavy dmg from Gai's elephant attack (he couldnt do much else right than except shielding, due to taking 4 elephant attacks in row) if my memory serves me right. They knew were the target was that Gai was moving to as well, the shielding Madara.

Obviously they (Minato, Kakashi, Lee and Gaara) must be able to see something in order to assist Gai.
When Madara shot the Gudodama, they must have at least been able to see those (they are faster than Obito's Kamui speed with 1 sharingan, so that is quite fast), in order for Lee and Minato to stop them and they need to be somewhat aware that Gai was still behind the Gudodama.

If I am not mistaken, Gai at the chuunin exams, was able to see Lee in 5ft Gate and follow his movements (Gai lacks special eyes or sensing), and some genin kids couldnt. So when people get older, its possible that their eyes can track fast movement better. So people being unable to track a 5ft gate lee as kids, doesnt have to mean that they cant see someone faster, when they are older or more experienced.

There are even some people like Deidara, who somehow managed to train their eye to counter sharingan genjutsu.

The thing is, even if you can somewhat track a gate user, being able to react to an attack from them against you, is something else. Your body needs to be able to keep up too. Keeping up (as in assisting, what Minato, Lee, Kakashi and Gaara did) with a gate user who isnt attacking you seems easier to me as well, than getting attacked by one.

If you know what is gonna happen (Minato, Kakashi, Lee, Gaara), than it is easier to prevent it from happening (its not truly matching the speed of Gai imo) than when Gai would attack you.

Anyway, what can avoid Gai's attacks:

8th gate .
Shielding yourself with Gudodama.
Multi shadowclone jutsu (outlasting Gai).
Limbo Hengoku.
Kaguya's Dimension shift.
Fleeing through methods (like reverse summoning, FTG or some other fleeing method).
Hozuki clan water form.

I am not sure if Chakra avatars can block 8th gate. I have seen non-perfect Susannoos get broken from punches by Raikage and Tsunade. By windattacks from Danzo. Melted by Mei's boil release.
The explosion between Naruto and Sasuke their attacks destroyed their avatars (special 3 headed Kurama avatar and perfect bijou mixed Susanoo from Sasuke).
Maybe 8th gate could punch a hole in it too.
Who knows.

One can wonder if you can actually cast genjutsu on someone in 8th gate, who's chakra is moving around that violently. Maybe you cant control chakra like that.

The except part of the title:
FTG works indeed I believe (you can teleport around fast enough. You dont have to wait till you see Gai attack to teleport. You can teleport in advance).
Kamui as in the intangible version only I think. I am not sure if you could actually Kamui Gai.

 

[Sir Blades]

Hazo, Roronoa and others have done a great job. FTG does in fact avoid 8TH gate Guy.

Indra did a great job.

Can I leave now? lol

 

[lndra]

I got lost in all of these posts.

Though I agree with some points, and disagree with others.

Goodjob everyone! lol