[VS] Minato vs Bee

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Strict ended this with a single post.

Also, I'd like to add the fact that once Minato enters Hermit Mode he's going to wreck B in strength BM or not when a clone from Naruto overpowered Kurama with sheer strength and lift it casually like a normal pet. Whirlwind is therefore stopped or doesn't even factor in this fight.

B doesn't stand a chance here.
Indeed the strength of HM is underrated as well. Not to mention that whirlwind has a great amount of prep time before usage. Obito saw it coming long before he even started using the attack to the point that by the time he even used it, Obito already crossed an entire forest away observing the spectacle from afar. During all the time it would take Hachibi to do that, HM Minato will surely proceed to rape him or do something else
 

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Bee doesn't need BM to beat Minato. His V2 is more than enough. His natural reactions and reflexes are already enough to intercept Minato's full speed at Base. In V2, he gains the body enhancement to keep up where Minato teleports. If Ay is already fast enough to match Minato's speed, then Bee will be too fast for Minato to keep up with.

Just to keep a note of my premise, Bee will use this . In other words, Minato cannot teleported a TBB that's already shot at a beam form.
 

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Still no counter to this. Minato already marked Hachibi's tentacle once. Marking an object of titanic proportions is easy. Once Hachibi is marked, BM becomes completely useless, as any TBB is sent back to him.

And please explain to me why Bee would decide to fire off bijuudamas against an opponent that can instantly teleport away from it, since that seems to be the Minato supporters' only argument.
 

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Just to keep a note of my premise, Bee will use this . In other words, Minato cannot teleported a TBB that's already shot at a beam form.
Who said he can't? You? Will the beam break through the barrier? Certainly not.

As Bogard already mentioned, Minato placed his Kunai around an area larger than the Juubi pretty fast. Even if Minato couldn't teleport that TBB, which he can't, he would teleport himself to one of the Kunai he placed at a place outside of the explosion's radius, for example behind Bee.

v2 Bee being faster than Minato or Ay is a joke. Ay wasn't able to keep up with Minato either, Minato blitzed him and Bee had to safe his ass. Ay's full speed outspeeds the Sharingan's insight, Minato is even faster.
 

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And please explain to me why Bee would decide to fire off bijuudamas against an opponent that can instantly teleport away from it, since that seems to be the Minato supporters' only argument.
In this case, I'm right as well, as since using a TBB is useless, BM is useless.
 

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In this case, I'm right as well, as since using a TBB is useless, BM is useless.

Are you implying that BM form is only useful for firing bijuudamas?
 

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Bee doesn't need BM to beat Minato. His V2 is more than enough. His natural reactions and reflexes are already enough to intercept Minato's full speed at Base. In V2, he gains the body enhancement to keep up where Minato teleports. If Ay is already fast enough to match Minato's speed, then Bee will be too fast for Minato to keep up with.

Just to keep a note of my premise, Bee will use this . In other words, Minato cannot teleported a TBB that's already shot at a beam form.

The heck is all this rubbish.

1. Ay is no match for Minato's speed. Not one bit. Fact
2. "Bee too fast for Minato to keep up with" Get that crap outta here. Since when was Bee the fastest man alive? He's slower than his brother in both speed and reflexes. Lightning armor enhances Ay beyond Bee's capabilities. Bee being too fast for minato is sig worthy.
3. Bee was able to anticipate a minato with 0 killing intent. When you're marked you're dead. He's alive because minato liked him.
4. Minato cannot teleport a beam XD enough of this fiction. As long as minato keeps the barrier open, the beam will pass through it. Not that minato even needs the barrier to dodge that.
 

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Who said he can't? You? Will the beam break through the barrier? Certainly not.

As Bogard already mentioned, Minato placed his Kunai around an area larger than the Juubi pretty fast. Even if Minato couldn't teleport that TBB, which he can't, he would teleport himself to one of the Kunai he placed at a place outside of the explosion's radius, for example behind Bee.

v2 Bee being faster than Minato or Ay is a joke. Ay wasn't able to keep up with Minato either, Minato blitzed him and Bee had to safe his ass. Ay's full speed outspeeds the Sharingan's insight, Minato is even faster.

The barrier is supposed to stop, contain and teleport the attack. You cannot contain an exploded TBB, hence why he can't teleport it with a barrier.

Minato had prep-time to place his kunais around the Juubi. There is no prep-time in this match-up, so he's limited to . Even if he was to throw them further, it won't be that far away, especially with Bee's . Inb4 Bee can't use TBB in V2.

I never said he's faster than Minato, but certainly faster than Ay, considering he was as fast as V1 Ay in V1. [ ] According to Kisame's speculation, V2 gives 10x boost to Bee, so there is no doubt he's faster than Ay. And combine his reactions and reflexes to outmatch Minato's speed, there is no doubt he'll keep up with him.
 

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No, I say that BM is useless against Minato, which it is.

No it is not. Minato is helpless against BM since he doesn't have the firepower to put down the Hachibi.
 

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Minato could have won this without the Sage Toads, but giving them to him makes this a stomp.

The only hope that Bee has of winning this is Bijuu Mode, but thanks to Minato's S/T Barrier, that's rendered useless. Minato casually enters Hermit Mode on his own, and with Shima and Fuka to sustain it, Bee literally has no chance. Minato's base Shunshin is already on par if not exceeding V2 Ay, someone who's faster than most people in the series bar other S/T users and Juubi Jins. Add in Hermit Mode's physical enhancements, and Bee has Minato in his face faster than he can think or blink. He won't end him there, as Bee will most likely enter Bijuu Mode, but that's where the fight ends. Minato marks Bee in that mode, as the bigger the mode, the easier the target he is. That renders Bijuu dama's completely useless as the S/T Barrier will immediately redirect all Bijuudama right back at Bee and end him (don't take the "tanking" feat for granted. Bee was in shambles after his own single TBB). If Bee tries to prep the Whirlwind technique to rid the battlefield of Kunai, Minato teleports over to him and quickly slices off Bee's tentacles, rendering the technique useless. Once BM is worn out, Bee is blitzed and his head is cut off.
 

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And please explain to me why Bee would decide to fire off bijuudamas against an opponent that can instantly teleport away from it, since that seems to be the Minato supporters' only argument.

What else would he do? Count stars? B's only move in BM is Bijuu Dama and if that is countered so is technically his BM.
 

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Bee takes this.
 

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What else would he do? Count stars? B's only move in BM is Bijuu Dama and if that is countered so is technically his BM.

I'm going to give you until 5 pm CST to think about what you just said and edit your post.
 

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What else would he do? Count stars? B's only move in BM is Bijuu Dama and if that is countered so is technically his BM.

He has tailed beast whirlwind and ink clones.

Both are pretty useless in this tho.
 

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Didn't manga and databook say minato beat both multiple times?
I don't see the point of this matchup.

Can you link?

i think this should never be put up for debate after this,

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