[Discussion] Israel Campaigns Against Global Free Speech

[Benjamin King]

Why am i even Talking about this on an anime forum..

You list the argument. Go back to check your facts.

 

[Aim64C]

really? REALLLY?

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Israel was the one that took the palestinian land by force from palestinian and slowly by time they taking more portions of the palestinian lands because it is considered there holy land and wanna claim it for themselves.

By all means.

Show me the history lesson where this occurred.

In the last war that lasted couple of weeks to month, Israel ****ing killed more than 2000+ human in palestine and injured 5000+ people, and what did israel lose? what about 10-20 solider were killed? because people wanted to protect there homes and family. you cant compare the two loses, even THE UN NATION aint doing shit to israel when they clearly used forbidden weapons and chemical weapon on the people, but none said jack shit about it and ignored it. If another country did what israel did then the world wide would wipe it out of the planet but israel seems to be an exception and they can kill innocent people in A DAILY BASES!!

Gee....

How is it that 2,000+ Arabs died in land that belonged to the Philistines?

and fck off with that BS video, media use the rocket as in term of terrorist attack against israel. So if you attack me and kill thousand of people and i defended myself then i am a terrorist? that is the media BS and the more bs your kind say.

You should actually try listening to Mr. Shoebat.

But that would interfere with the brainwashing you've received.

For fcks sake, an innocent child with his family, the israel army was killing everyone in the area and forcing people to leave it, and out of protection that kid threw a rock at an israel tank. So what israel do? simply blow the kid and his house and killing all his families.

That's what happens when you pick fights that you can't win.

I'm not going to argue the hearsay. The mistake Israel made was in allowing Palestine to exist after conducting a military campaign against them. While it sounds cruel - the only product of something like that is individuals such as yourself, who should not be born into a culture blinded by brainwashed hatred.

EVEN MORE!!! Israel solider take young children from there parents to jails and shit and god knows what they doing to them inside.

Feeding them.

if anything, israel should be the one that need to gtfo from palestine lands because it was never their to begin with and it will never be, and whatever they do, they will never defeat palestine. Palestine has been holding there own using rocks and couple of guns and rockets for how long now? while israel been using some forbidden weapons and missels and tanks and all that shit.

You have been holding your own?

Perhaps you should think through this one for a minute.

Why... Oh... why.... if Israel only lost 10 soldiers and you lost over 2,000 people... are you still around?

Like I said. Israel's mistake was misplaced compassion - a misplaced faith in the ability of Palestine to reform.

Palestine will be free one day, mark my words.

Palestine is already free.

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You just need to start acting like it and stop blaming every misfortune on others.

 

[Deathwink]

There was never a Palestinan State.

The land we're talking about was a british colony, where jews and muslims lived together.
After ww2 they gave One part to the jews the other to the muslims.
Muslims hate jews so a few islamic states attacked Israel, but Israel won and survived.

Israel just wants to exist and the Hamas wants to kill all jews.

What a poorly formulated sentence.no,nonononono we do not hate jews.A country does not represent a religion.Just like for example Iran does not represent muslim people and Spain does not represent christian people.

 

[sirius49]

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[SoulKiller]

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lol this guy... xD

By all means.

Show me the history lesson where this occurred.

In the late 1800s a group in Europe decided to colonize this land. Known as Zionists, they represented an extremist minority of the Jewish population. Their goal was to create a Jewish homeland, and they considered locations in Africa and the Americas, before settling on Palestine.


At first, this immigration created no problems. However, as more and more Zionists immigrated to Palestine – many with the express wish of taking over the land for a Jewish state – the indigenous population became increasingly alarmed. Eventually, fighting broke out, with escalating waves of violence. Hitler’s rise to power, combined with Zionist activities to sabotage efforts to place Jewish refugees in western countries, led to increased Jewish immigration to Palestine, and conflict grew.

Finally, in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the principle of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power divides up other people’s land.

Under considerable Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.

While it is widely reported that the resulting war eventually included five Arab armies, less well known is the fact that throughout this war Zionist forces outnumbered all Arab and Palestinian combatants combined – often by a factor of two to three. Moreover, Arab armies did not invade Israel – virtually all battles were fought on land that was to have been the Palestinian state.

Finally, it is significant to note that Arab armies entered the conflict only after Zionist forces had committed 16 massacres, including the grisly massacre of over 100 men, women, and children at Deir Yassin. Future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, head of one of the Jewish terrorist groups, described this as “splendid,” and stated: “As in Deir Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou has chosen us for conquest.” Zionist forces committed 33 massacres altogether

and even after taking palestine lands they still wanna take more and blow people up and coming to there own home and force them to leave because it's there own. just to show you how brutal animal they are.

i can educate your ass into history more if you want.

Gee....

How is it that 2,000+ Arabs died in land that belonged to the Philistines?

the numbers i stated are facts and official and shows you how barbaric israel are and yet you have nothing productive to say to that and saying things out of your ass.

You should actually try listening to Mr. Shoebat.

But that would interfere with the brainwashing you've received.

you should use your own advice, sit alone in your room and reflect on your own believes and what you think because you had some serious brainwashing going inside that brain of yours.

oh and plz educate yourself before spitting nonsense again.

maybe take a break and stay away from whoever you listening to?

That's what happens when you pick fights that you can't win.

I'm not going to argue the hearsay. The mistake Israel made was in allowing Palestine to exist after conducting a military campaign against them. While it sounds cruel - the only product of something like that is individuals such as yourself, who should not be born into a culture blinded by brainwashed hatred.

pick a fight we can't win? israel are the ones who started the attacks on palestine and started killing thousands of innocent people and when palestine fight back, they are called stupid for picking up a fight they cant win or terrorists. da hell you been smoking? do you live in another world and not seeing the massacre they are causing?

if anyone who is blind and brainwashed is you dear sir, you are one of the most idiots i saw in this base and matter of fact your hatred to certain cultures is just sad and kinda ironic its coming from you, you are basically saying that israel should of wiped out palestine long time ago and kill all the innocent people despite it being cruel and unhuman you are fcked in the head and need someone to knock some sense into you.

Feeding them.

okay i seriously loled at this and it just show that you are blinded and know jack shit.

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Feeding them my ass!!! you are blind!!!! PLZ PLZ educate yourself you dont know what is going on and is just fcking idiot by all mean, if this is called taking them to feed them. you are sick human being.

and i can even show shit tons more videos.

You have been holding your own?

Perhaps you should think through this one for a minute.

Why... Oh... why.... if Israel only lost 10 soldiers and you lost over 2,000 people... are you still around?

Like I said. Israel's mistake was misplaced compassion - a misplaced faith in the ability of Palestine to reform.

No you need to take a couple of steps back and look at yourself and start looking at the world and stop living under a rock.

oh god i repeated this soo many times, but you need some serious education.

Palestine is already free.

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You just need to start acting like it and stop blaming every misfortune on others.

if you call being attacked in a daily bases and being under occupation is free? then i feel sorry for your brainwashed ass.

 

[SageOro]

What a poorly formulated sentence.no,nonononono we do not hate jews.A country does not represent a religion.Just like for example Iran does not represent muslim people and Spain does not represent christian people.

Ok, then let's say the muslims in this region.(not everyone, but the majority)

 

[Forest]

Israel should also not be particularly offended by anti-Semitism, because Israel is actually one of the most racist and anti-Semitic nations on the planet.

Wow. It's when people say shit like this, that closes off the possibility of diplomacy.

 

[Ldude]

The Talmud declared war to the word since 2000 years for world domination and their Messiah.
They subvert all the nations to enslave them for Israel.It's already done for Europe and USA, now they aim the muslim nations. Russia already got rid of it at the end of communism.

As someone who has studied Talmud for the past six years I'm gonna call bull$hit. Where do you even come up with stuff like this?

Just your average attempt to shave away at the masses' civil rights. And if their excuse is that the free speech might create enemies than they shouldn't have terrorized the Palestinians with the financial help of USA and demonize black Africans that fled to Israel.

Just to clear this up, it's true that there is a problem with anti-black racism in Israel. However, I would say that it's not that different from racism in the U.S. Operation Yachin (1961-1964) evacuated 94,000 Moroccan Jews to go to Israel, though some of them settled in other countries on the way out. Israel organized the operation that freed Ethiopian Jews and brought them to Israel. The first operation was Operation Moses (1984-1985) that transported 8,000 people from horrible conditions. The government there was highly anti-Semitic. (They were also horrible to poor, non-Jewish villagers, and some non-Jews tried to escape on the Israeli flights.) In 1991, Operation Solomon rescued another 13,000 Ethiopian Jews. This operation cost the Israeli government $ 26 million. Israel itself does not demonize blacks.

 

[Jɑégar]

That is perhaps the most foolish statement anyone can ever make.

You are on the side of humanity?

Which side?

The side who wants Ukraine to be independent? The side that wants Kosovo to be independent? The side that wishes for America to have single-payer?

Humanity is not one single thing. Nearly every issue we quarrel over is an issue created by humanity. It is not as if these issues are doing something to humanity.

Foolish statement? Then you consider these organizations stupid and foolish:
Action Against Hunger (AAH)
CARE
Caritas Internationalis
Catholic Relief Services (CRS - USCC)
UNICEF
UNESCO
All of those are humanitarian organizations.
What I meant by humanity is humanitarian. It's the innate instinct of a human to know the right from the wrong.
The whole world is seeing what Israel is committing.

What are they doing?

Honestly, I think Israel is weak and delusional. They believe there is a way to get along with Palestine. While I do regret that there are people who have been lied to and deceived by Palestine... but Israel should simply drive them all into the sea.

Finally, something we both agree on, but people aren't being deceived by the Palestinians. It's what actually happens is Palestine daily.
Israel daily arrests young children, old age, and women.

Again - what are they doing?

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And the list goes on.

They can think what they want to think. Even if they do believe they are superior - they do not cut my head off.

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Also, you should actually listen to what Mr. Shoebat has to say, rather than plugging your ears and screaming even louder.

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As if writing walls of text is not considered screaming..

Lol. I'm an Israeli American with dual citizenship (resident of U.S.), and I know quite a lot of Israelis. I have family that still lives in Israel, and many of them are originally from the U.S. They come back to visit and they love the U.S. and the people here. My family is also part of (head of our region) an organization that brings disabled Israeli veterans to the U.S. for a few weeks. I've never met a single Israeli veteran in the 13 years I've been part of this group who felt that way about the U.S. They are all very grateful, good people. As people who have been soldiers, they very much respect U.S. soldiers as well. This is the general concensus of the population, as all Israelis, regardless of gender, are drafted into the IDF (except for special cases.) We have family friends there whose children were killed in terrorist attacks in Israel. When my school friends visited Israel this summer, they had to hide in bomb shelters in the middle of the night because of attacks.

Also, do you know the history of the wars that have been going on in the region? [Hamas has been using civilians as human shields.] [Hamas hides weapons in schools and hospitals, and you think Israel should let them carry on with attacks and sending rockets, when their families are dying?] [The IDF warns these areas with hidden Hamas weapon to evacuate before sending rockets,] [but Hamas tells the civilians not to leave. They use human shields to antagonize Israel.]

With all due respect to you. But actually in Israel, they do say that about Americans (Not all of them of course).

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Bolded 2: How are they going to hide rockets in schools where civilians are sleeping?
How are they hiding rockets in Hospitals where civilians are being treated. The hospitals are full to the max to the level they engage operations in the corridors.

Plus, under any circumstances, it's prohibited to fire missiles into schools and hospitals filled with hordes of civilians. Also Israel has an extremely highly developed, sophisticated weaponry. Don't you think it's kinda impossible to mistakenly shot civilians?

Bolded 3: Yeah, they do warn them.

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Bolded Last: You kiddin' me? Israel has the Iron dome + Sirens +

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[Ldude]

With all due respect to you. But actually in Israel, they do say that about Americans (Not all of them of course).

There are always a select few of any region with questionable views, but they can't be taken as public opinion, nor can you say that this view is the general concensus of a population you don't know in a land you've never visited.

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Bolded 2: How are they going to hide rockets in schools where civilians are sleeping?
How are they hiding rockets in Hospitals where civilians are being treated. The hospitals are full to the max to the level they engage operations in the corridors.

Plus, under any circumstances, it's prohibited to fire missiles into schools and hospitals filled with hordes of civilians. Also Israel has an extremely highly developed, sophisticated weaponry. Don't you think it's kinda impossible to mistakenly shot civilians?

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I don't know much about how their rockets work.

Bolded 3: Yeah, they do warn them.

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The video you linked only showed the last 57 seconds. The IDF gives 5 min. standard for evacuation.

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^This second article does acknowledge the controversy over the warnings. Another video I linked above features a Palestinian talking about the phone call he got, and their family escaping safely. The problem with extending the time is that it risks the actual targets getting away.

Bolded Last: You kiddin' me? Israel has the Iron dome + Sirens +

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment? What does the Iron Dome have to do with Hamas holding people at gunpoint not to evacuate?

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Also, the page you linked about blood libel claims on the page that those claims were made up and used against Jews for pogroms. It even talks about why blood libel is absolute bogus. I hope you were being ironic.

 

[Aømine]

^ I smell a butthurt jew here.

OT: Israel should finally stfu. This world is in chaos because of the jewish zionism shit. They should stop killing innocent people and claiming it as defending the country, before talking big. Most racist people on earth are jews and anyone that is trying to deny it is either one of them or in denial.

 

[Jɑégar]

There are always a select few of any region with questionable views, but they can't be taken as public opinion, nor can you say that this view is the general concensus of a population you don't know in a land you've never visited.

Got to agree with this tho!

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Sorry, but the first two videos are among the stupidest unexplained videos I've ever seen on this.
At first, they put on videos of a kid shooting. How does that make him a shield? Then it uses thermal vision to show two people (presumably shields) running away. There is no solid proofs of them being shields, nor even civilians.
Then, it shows footage of people shooting with carbines and at their back is a group of people. Seriously? These are training footage.
Then there's a video of a Militant dragging kids. Do you even know the back-story of this event? These were the times if disputes between Fatih and Hamas. They were not using them as shields. Then again, it shows kids being taught and trained. Nothing's special. The Zions already teaches their children too.

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And the third video is considered a psychological war.
The second most important book for the Jews is the Talmud. Here's what it says about the gentiles:
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

- Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

- Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

- Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

- Coschen hamischpat 405



"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

- Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b



"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

- Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b



"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

- Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

And so many, so that's nothing compared to the vid you gave.

Again, no matter what happens. It's prohibited to bomb hordes of civilians.

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I don't know much about how their rockets work.

Not surprised. UNRWA Keeps on forging and denying news created by the media of both sides. Ex

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Gaza Interior Ministry also denied having rockets in schools and Hospitals.

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The video you linked only showed the last 57 seconds. The IDF gives 5 min. standard for evacuation.

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CNBC and Washingtonpost are pro Israelis. No one believes them.

^This second article does acknowledge the controversy over the warnings. Another video I linked above features a Palestinian talking about the phone call he got, and their family escaping safely. The problem with extending the time is that it risks the actual targets getting away.

Israel only gives a minute or two to evacuate. Sometimes, they fire without anyone knowing.

Also, and extra. See how an Israeli sniper ruthlessly killed a Palestinian.

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I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment? What does the Iron Dome have to do with Hamas holding people at gunpoint not to evacuate?

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Also, the page you linked about blood libel claims on the page that those claims were made up and used against Jews for pogroms. It even talks about why blood libel is absolute bogus. I hope you were being ironic.

I already fixed it, but the website gave me an error. Sorry.
About the blood libel. It's actually true. That's why Europe unanimously accepted the departure of the Jews to Palestine.

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. Of course there were people accused that turned out to be innocent, but some Jews actually did it; were guilty.


And if it was really false, am sorry.

An extra. 4 Mins of pure horror in Al Shaja'iya. Israeli artillery continuously bombing the place without stopping.

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Sorry if I was offensive in my conversation with you.

 

[Deathwink]

Ok, then let's say the muslims in this region.(not everyone, but the majority)

Your choice of words is poor af again.Don't talk about something like there's a 100% chance of it being true if you do not know everything about it.If you're not a muslim person,you do not know.Watching news is not gonna help you there, since everything it does is propaganda.So yea,you're wrong again.

 

[sirius49]

As someone who has studied Talmud for the past six years I'm gonna call bull$hit. Where do you even come up with stuff like this?

Heard about Goyims and their purpose?

No, you are not informed or just lying. Your Rabbi Yosef know more than you and he resume it pretty well :

Rabbi Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews

He states that the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

Yosef said :

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,”
“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created,”.

Now when you see who control the world economy, who used usury, who creat most of the trouble in the world (Americano-zionists) , it confirm everything. They don't hide it, they want hurry their prophecy by first destroying the mosque Al Quods to build the temple , and want a wars were goyims kill each others to hurry the coming of their Messiah and extend their boarder for the great Israel (These boarders are as if by chance the same boarder of countries in trouble like Syria, Egypte, Iran, Irak etc...)

I listen Rav ron chaya as well because it's interresting to compare their prophecy.

 

[ReverseZero12]

I don't have extremely in depth knowledge about the conflict as a whole but I just want everyone to hug it out and figure out a solution that everyone would be happy with (which I guess isn't going to happened anytime soon)

 

[Tartarus]

Heard about Goyims and their purpose?

No, you are not informed or just lying. Your Rabbi Yosef know more than you and he resume it pretty well :

You do realize that most Jews think Yosef is an insane madman. He's only really well-liked by the ultra-orthodox haredi and hasidic groups. Second, do you even know what the Talmud actually is? It's a collection of arguments and opinions between rabbis. There are some messed up opinions in there, especially since they were being persecuted by gentiles and thus developed racist opinions during that time. If someone made a compilation of every post on this forum, you're gonna find some mess-up views. It's not some secondary Bible to Jews. Orthodox Jews are the only branch that take it very seriously, while Masorti consider it mostly a historical archive, and Reform don't even consider it relevant.
Of course, I can get plenty of claims from extremist Muslim leaders and the hadiths saying similar bad things.Should I then label all Muslims as murderers?

Jews from German to the middle east, they will get wiped soon they never learn do they. Lol

By who? Your ISIS homeboys who are killing more arabs than Israel ever has. Oh wait, let me guess? They're just a zionist/western front too? God forbid Muslims taking some kind of self responsibility for what their ilk commit. They're just peaceful submitters to God who desire genocide on others like yourself? You're no different than the people you hate.

 

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By all means.

Show me the history lesson where this occurred.



Gee....

How is it that 2,000+ Arabs died in land that belonged to the Philistines?



You should actually try listening to Mr. Shoebat.

But that would interfere with the brainwashing you've received.



That's what happens when you pick fights that you can't win.

I'm not going to argue the hearsay. The mistake Israel made was in allowing Palestine to exist after conducting a military campaign against them. While it sounds cruel - the only product of something like that is individuals such as yourself, who should not be born into a culture blinded by brainwashed hatred.



Feeding them.



You have been holding your own?

Perhaps you should think through this one for a minute.

Why... Oh... why.... if Israel only lost 10 soldiers and you lost over 2,000 people... are you still around?

Like I said. Israel's mistake was misplaced compassion - a misplaced faith in the ability of Palestine to reform.



Palestine is already free.

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You just need to start acting like it and stop blaming every misfortune on others.

LOL don't make your post as Facts . Jew is one of the most influential group in the World they churn out huge money to CNN and Fox .

Let me tell you something why don't US leave Iran then ?

I am Sure Wealthy Jew Billionaires want some Oil in the Middle East so i can easily put the fact that Iran is suffering with huge sanction due to this.

 

[SageOro]

Your choice of words is poor af again.Don't talk about something like there's a 100% chance of it being true if you do not know everything about it.If you're not a muslim person,you do not know.Watching news is not gonna help you there, since everything it does is propaganda.So yea,you're wrong again.

Almost every muslim i met in real life said they hate them. You are trying to hide the truth.

 

[Jaeger]

Anyone saying that Israel is not at fault and Palestine deserved this is extremely delusional, extremely, extremely delusional. Israel is nowhere near righteous and it doesn't take a politician to understand this. While Palestine have committed their sins, this doesn't justify Israel's actions. They have violated not only common moral laws but international laws, many, including the terms of United Nations Resolution. There's about 3 pages of list of laws they have violated, each issue being seperate and including multiple violations of law inside. All of this is easily found by a simple search.

However, none of this would have been necessary if Palestine never refused to share lands. It's understandable why they did not, a bit, but what followed was outrageous. It's sad really. But taking revenge (if this is what you call it) on innocent people who had nothing to so with this is even more outrageous. None if this is justified. It can never be justified.

This isn't an entirely black and white issue, if you have studied this a bit. But from moral and justice perspective, Palestine is more righteous in this one.

 

[sirius49]

You do realize that most Jews think Yosef is an insane madman. He's only really well-liked by the ultra-orthodox haredi and hasidic groups. Second, do you even know what the Talmud actually is? It's a collection of arguments and opinions between rabbis. There are some messed up opinions in there, especially since they were being persecuted by gentiles and thus developed racist opinions during that time. If someone made a compilation of every post on this forum, you're gonna find some mess-up views. It's not some secondary Bible to Jews. Orthodox Jews are the only branch that take it very seriously, while Masorti consider it mostly a historical archive, and Reform don't even consider it relevant.
Of course, I can get plenty of claims from extremist Muslim leaders and the hadiths saying similar bad things.Should I then label all Muslims as murderers?

No, this Rav was liked by its most of the jews, you can see that Knesset is full of people who think like him. Israel is a racist state and the Rabbi Yossef just admit it like most of Jews but some of them don't admit it. Don't confound western medias and jews, there was articles against him but he was very liked by most of jews. He was very close to the criminal Nehanyahu. As i said it all concord with zionist policies and their agenda.



He was so much "not liked" that he got the largest ever funeral in Israel.

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