[Discussion] Smoker vs Luffy

[Punk Hazard]

Law > Vergo > Smoker. In case that Luffy can beat Smoker with just high to extrem. high diff, would mean that Luffy is around as strong as Vergo or even weaker, which is very unlikely.



So even if he trained for that time and with increase in power he got from NW, he still shouldn't be more powerful than Luffy,

Stopped reading here because now you're just talking out of your ass. We deal with cold hard facts, not baseless guesses to convenience yourself.

 

[A v i]

He's not saying that Vergo's experience in Haki makes him stronger, he's saying it plays a role. Give a lawyer a gun and give a soldier a gun, and then make them face off. Who is more likely to win?

The problem with your logic is neither Luffy nor Vergo is a Lawyer. They both comes under the category of solders and Vergo happened to have more experience than Luffy but that doesn't mean that he can be a better shooter than Luffy. Both uses hand to hand combat and Luffy proved that experience means nothing via his battle with Don Chinjao.


What he said is 100% true(in real world) but we can't apply those logics in manga. At least not in all cases.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The problem with your logic is neither Luffy nor Vergo is a Lawyer. They both comes under the category of solders and Vergo happened to have more experience than Luffy but that doesn't mean that he can be a better shooter than Luffy. Both uses hand to hand combat and Luffy proved that experience means nothing via his battle with Don Chinjao.


What he said is 100% true but we can't apply those logics in manga. At least not in all cases.

Oh good God...

Vergo is more experienced in using his Haki. He's had Haki for far longer, and has been training it in longer. This gives him an advantage. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure this out. When comparing two people's skills in a certain category, experience always play a factor. The Chinjao thing was already addressed, he's out of his prime, that's why Luffy was able to match him. Vergo died in his prime. Christ, the slowness in this section is painful.

 

[A v i]

Oh good God...

Vergo is more experienced in using his Haki. He's had Haki for far longer, and has been training it in longer. This gives him an advantage. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure this out. When comparing two people's skills in a certain category, experience always play a factor. The Chinjao thing was already addressed, he's out of his prime, that's why Luffy was able to match him. Vergo died in his prime. Christ, the slowness in this section is painful.

I know that experience plays a role and actually admitted that his points are true if you take a good look at my post again. But that's not how it works in OP manga. If experience means shit in OP world then Bastille would have beat the living hell out of Sabo with his experience.

Do you think Vergo has advantage over/can beat Sabo(No mmnm) ?

I am pretty sure he has far more experience than Sabo.hmm

 

[Punk Hazard]

I know that experience plays a role

Good, now that we are on the same page, we can end this pointless back and forth. Experience plays a role, let's move on with the discussion.

 

[A v i]

Good, now that we are on the same page, we can end this pointless back and forth. Experience plays a role, let's move on with the discussion.

You should have read the total post. I said that's not how it works in OP manga in the very next line.hmm

Tell me

Do u think Prime Vergo has the advantage over Sabo because of his experience?

 

[Punk Hazard]

You should have read the total post. I said that's not how it works in OP manga in the very next line.hmm

Tell me

Do u think Prime Vergo has the advantage over Sabo because of his experience?

I don't care how you think it does or doesn't work. Experience will always play a role whether or not you like it. I suggest you learn the difference between playing a role and being the deciding factor before you respond with more pointless drivel.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Stopped reading here because now you're just talking out of your ass. We deal with cold hard facts, not baseless guesses to convenience yourself.

???

Manga is at least ten years away from it's ending, until then, every fact as you say can be twisted.

And I will polite ask you, to what you are referring when you say cold hard fact? If chill Law with arms behind his head, who say that he will wait for the right moment to enter NW, means that he will train before he enter NW, and if we call that cold hard fact as you say than end of the world really happened 12/21/2012.

 

[Punk Hazard]

???

Manga is at least ten years away from it's ending, until then, every fact as you say can be twisted.

And I will polite ask you, to what you are referring when you say cold hard fact? If chill Law with arms behind his head, who say that he will wait for the right moment to enter NW, means that he will train before he enter NW, and if we call that cold hard fact as you say than end of the world really happened 12/21/2012.

I'm saying until you show me a cold hard fact that shows Law didn't train as hard as Luffy, and just took it easy during the timeskip, then you saying so holds no weight. The fact of the matter is, one panel of Law relaxing does not mean he spent the entire timeskip relaxing. The fact that you think so for even a second is not a good sign.

 

[TheHokage]

The Sanji example is laughable because Sanji never tried to fight back, so it's inaccurate to base it to judge difference in level between characters.

And Smoker didn't really gave a harder time than Vergo to Law considering than unlike against Smoker, Law had to go all out to defeat Vergo.

And i don't think Luffy can low diff Smoker. I do think however he can mid diff him

I suppose you completely missed my point about the Sanji reference but it's alright I expected it...

Hmm yeah Smoker kind of did, considering Smoker had no heart to use as an advantage against Law nor did he have a vast knowledge of Law's devil fruit like Vergo did I'd say Smoker did quite a bit better considering Smoker had Law running and pinned to the floor.

I know you think Luffy can mid diff Smoker which is where we differ in opinion it makes no sense story and character development wise for Luffy to be able beat Smoker with that difficulty considering Smoker has and continues to be Luffy's marine rival.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I never said that he was relaxing whole time-skip. Just that he didn't go to the NW right away.

If you like facts, I would like to see your fact and proving that Law trained as hard as Luffy..

 

[Punk Hazard]

I never said that he was relaxing whole time-skip. Just that he didn't go to the NW right away.

If you like facts, I would like to see your fact and proving that Law trained as hard as Luffy..

Neither did Luffy, so what's the point?

Like I said, we don't know how hard Law trained. We can't say Law trained just as hard, or less hard, so that's a non-factor to this fight.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Point is that Luffy instead of going to NW trained for that time.

Law on the other hand didn't go to the NW, and was completely chill, waited for the right moment to enter Law. You claim that Law trained that time, can you prove that he trained during that time.

Also, last time you dind't adress my point about their talent.

Law needed 7 more years to be on the same level as Luffy, 24 years old Law was around as equal with 17 years old Luffy, why do you think that they grown was same or even that Law had bigger grown than Luffy during time-skip. This is also going by your claim that Law trained before entereing New World.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Point is that Luffy instead of going to NW trained for that time.

Law on the other hand didn't go to the NW, and was completely chill

Completely baseless. How do you still not get it? There is no proof that Law "completely chilled" and didn't train hard. Law didn't go directly to the NW, Luffy didn't either. You have no proof that Law didn't train hard. The fact that Law is much stronger now than he was pre-skip is proof that he trained. "Law did nothing and chilled and took it easy" is not applicable to any debate because it is completely baseless..

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Completely baseless. How do you still not get it? There is no proof that Law "completely chilled" and didn't train hard. Law didn't go directly to the NW, Luffy didn't either. You have no proof that Law didn't train hard. The fact that Law is much stronger now than he was pre-skip is proof that he trained. "Law did nothing and chilled and took it easy" is not applicable to any debate because it is completely baseless..

Proof that he trained, really? Luffy was never showed training during Grand Line arcs. Still Luffy that fought Crocodile and Luffy at MF are like heaven and earth. Characters in One Piece can get stronger throught fighing.

Law didn't entered NW right away, but once he get in, he got stronger during survival of the same place and his fights in NW.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Proof that he trained, really? Luffy was never showed training during Grand Line arcs. Still Luffy that fought Crocodile and Luffy at MF are like heaven and earth. Characters in One Piece can get stronger throught fighing.

Law didn't entered NW right away, but once he get in, he got stronger during survival of the same place and his fights in NW.

Ohhh you're one of those guys that think Zoro is the only Strawhat that trains or something. You do realize Oda said in an SBS that Luffy exercises at a large level, right? No, of course you don't.

Proof that Law trained? He's stronger now than he was before. You don't need the brain of a supercomputer to figure that out.

If you think pirates don't train to get stronger, just don't respond to me, this back and forth won't be going anywhere then.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Luffy loses 1-3

Stomps round 4

 

[Sweet Pudding]

1- Smoker
2- Luffy (Gomu Gomu no Storm!!)
3- Luffy (Gear 3!)
4- Luffy (Elephant Gataling!!!)

 

[TRE MERCER]

Logia intangibility restricted? Luffy shits then didn't see that at first...

 

[A v i]

I don't care how you think it does or doesn't work. Experience will always play a role whether or not you like it.

In manga it plays no role in case of characters with great potential even if they are inexperienced. It doesn't matter if u like it or not.hmm

I suggest you learn the difference between playing a role and being the deciding factor before you respond with more pointless drivel.

If anything,It is you who's responding with pointless arguments without even reading my posts. I didn't said that it'll be a deciding factor.

You said it plays a role and I am asking you to tell me what kind of role do you think Vergo's experience can play against inexperienced Sabo?