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I think Itachi did say that himself. Don't remember the exact passage though but yes with the genjutsu prowess, alongside crows, MS given abilities and so on, i firmly believe he was Itachi's mentor
He only drew the form in V3 Susanoo. The weapons only appear in V4

Except Itachi has used yata mirror in v3

Itachi took after Shisui because he was like an older brother, just like Sasuke did with itachi
 

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It was said in the manga that Danzo stole his eye,but not ,so this canon be considered canon.
I know but we don't know how it happened, the means he used to accomplish that or if Shisui even tried to fight back U_U
 

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様々な術に使えるよう、複数の鳥を飼っていた。 主に忠実な、 シスイの大切な相棒だ。
In order to use multiple jutsu, he was keeping multiple birds. Primarily loyal/devoted, they were Shisui’s important/valuable partners.


Uchiha Shisui
Shinobi registration number: ?
Rank: Anbu
Birthday: October 19th [Age at death: Unknown. Libra]
Height: 180.0cm Weight: 68.9kg. Blood type: A
Personality: honest, sentimental.
Favorite: He kept multiple crows that he uses in various jutsu. Faithful and were important partners to Shisui.
Elements: Yin, fire, lightning and wind.
'I'll protect…this village…and the Uchiha's name.'
'As his death wish, to his friend he entrusted this 'eye' as a guide on the righteous path.'
He’s an excellent and outstanding (nin) in the era of turmoil in Kirigakure, the cornerstone of the village and left the world the hero of the tragedy.
The mighty ability of his ‘Mangekyou Sharingan’ has attracted attention of not only the enemy nations, but the higher ups of the village as well.
In order to prevent a conflict over his eye, Shisui entrusted his eye to his friend. Believing that the strength of Uchiha will be the light that guide the village, he choose the gloryless death.
Side: Entrusting his corpse after his pretend suicide, opening his best friend’s Mangekyou Sharingan.

Nothing much interesting but wanted to share. On a side note though, the bold is the most interesting part here. Apparently, the crows Itachi was using were originally Shisui's. Besides that, he was known as a greater genjutsu user, possessing blessed abilities(everyone wanted to get) and apparently alongside Susanoo as well. I think it was even mentioned Shisui was his mentor, so it seems in the end, Itachi was just a paled copy of Shisui. Wouldn't surprise me if even the Susanoo weapon he possessed(yata and totsuka) were originally Shisui's :eww:​


Shisui just had kotoamatsukami but I think if he didn't have that, itachi's genjutsu is better. Besides Kotoamatsukami has a very long cool down time after using it. Itachi isn't a "pale copy" he surpassed shisui and ya adopted some of the abilities of his best friend. Give itachi more respect, I remember always hating almost every post you made years ago cuz u would always be against itachi, it pissed me off.​
 

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Shisui just had kotoamatsukami but I think if he didn't have that, itachi's genjutsu is better. Besides Kotoamatsukami has a very long cool down time after using it. Itachi isn't a "pale copy" he surpassed shisui and ya adopted some of the abilities of his best friend. Give itachi more respect, I remember always hating almost every post you made years ago cuz u would always be against itachi, it pissed me off.
But Itachi and Killer Bee both said Shisui was the greatest genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan and i doubt it was just for Koto, because it still takes skills to cast genjutsu and like you said koto has cool down for a decade or so, so it's not an ability you can use often, not enough to build up a reputation of the best, so saying Itachi surpassed him is in the end baseless and manga contradictory especially now that we learn the crows were not even his. Please don't hate on me. I'm just interpretating what i read on a fictional manga U_U
 

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Nothing much interesting but wanted to share. On a side note though, the bold is the most interesting part here. Apparently, the crows Itachi was using were originally Shisui's. Besides that, he was known as a greater genjutsu user, possessing blessed abilities(everyone wanted to get) and apparently alongside Susanoo as well. I think it was even mentioned Shisui was his mentor, so it seems in the end, Itachi was just a paled copy of Shisui. Wouldn't surprise me if even the Susanoo weapon he possessed(yata and totsuka) were originally Shisui's :eww:

@bold- Ah yes. Because crows live forever. They must be the same crows. /sarcasm

Itachi didn't come up with the crow summons, no one created their own summons'. The concept of summons' has existed for decades. Every shinobi with a contract got it from somewhere. Just as Shisui learned it from somewhere else himself. One isn't born with this knowledge.

It would be a given that Shisui was known as the best genjutsu user during his time considering that when he was alive, Itachi has no MS and the best anyone had in the clan was 3-tomoe.

Yes, Madara/Sasuke/Itachi were all stated to have blessed abilities as well. Lol

It was mentioned nowhere that he was Itachi's mentor. Simply that they had a brotherly bond.

Itachi isn't a copy of Shisui considering they have entirely different techs and abilities. The only differences are katon (which is a given since that is the Uchiha element of choice), the birds (though Shisui used them in a completely different manner), and they are both mainly genjutsu users (though, they possessed completely different MS genjutsu).

No, Shisui didn't have Yata or Totsuka considering that Itachi found them (as stated from the databooks which you hold in such high esteem). And no mention of Shisui having them anywhere near his profile.

If anything, this thread just proves how they're different.
I say paled copy because

1- Crows copied from Shisui
2- Genjutsu prowess copied from Shisui
3- MS abilities given by Shisui(through his death)
4- Both Susanoo users

And Shisui was also recognised for his shunshin prowess

Practically entire Itachi's arsenal is a copy from Shisui's and in majority of them, Shisui is recognised as his superior, making him a pale copy U_U

-Used crows in a different manner.
-Different genjutsu. Not same.
-And Shisui got his MS through his friend's death.
-All the main Uchiha bar Obito had susano'o.

Itachi also used shunshin as have many characters in NV.

Nearly nothing is the same and the minor similarities that are there are because some of their techs are basic Uchiha clan knowledge. He's not a pale copy. Lol


I know, but like i said, not in the manga

Borrowed powers everywhere U_U

Having a similarity with someone is the equivalent of claiming that all shinobi who throw kunai are using borrowed power.

Itachi didn't use borrowed powers. Borrowed powers are more in line with altering yourself in some manner to gain power. (EX: tailed beasts, EMS, etc.)
 

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But Itachi and Killer Bee both said Shisui was the greatest genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan and i doubt it was just for Koto, because it still takes skills to cast genjutsu and like you said koto has cool down for a decade or so, so it's not an ability you can use often, not enough to build up a reputation of the best, so saying Itachi surpassed him is in the end baseless and manga contradictory especially now that we learn the crows were not even his. Please don't hate on me. I'm just interpretating what i read on a fictional manga U_U
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But Itachi and Killer Bee both said Shisui was the greatest genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan and i doubt it was just for Koto, because it still takes skills to cast genjutsu and like you said koto has cool down for a decade or so, so it's not an ability you can use often, not enough to build up a reputation of the best, so saying Itachi surpassed him is in the end baseless and manga contradictory especially now that we learn the crows were not even his. Please don't hate on me. I'm just interpretating what i read on a fictional manga U_U

@bold- That's incorrect. Only Bee said it and Itachi said nothing. He didn't agree, but just remained silent. The only thing regarding Shisui's ability that Itachi said was that he had the strongest genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami, however, having the strongest genjutsu doesn't make one the best overall user.

Out of respect for one's deceased best friend, I don't think anyone would disagree with hype they receive, whether it's true or not.

He's only mentioned for Koto. The only reason as to why he was called the best genjutsu user was because he was the only MS user prior to his death. That means it was for his MS tech, Koto. Lol
 
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I know its gets annoying with all the itachi fanboys going around saying itachi totsuka blitz, but u cant underestimate the character because of that either. I truly believe itachi had the most potential out of any character and if he truly was some evil psychopath he could've easily surpassed hashirama and madara. But then he wouldn't be my favorite character because its his morals and actions that I respect
 

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Changing topic huh? The truth hurt it seems U_U

@bold- Ah yes. Because crows live forever. They must be the same crows. /sarcasm
Point? The fact remain Shisui gave him the crow summoning contract

-Used crows in a different manner.
How do you know? Plus the fact Shisui's databook says he was combining it with some of his jutsus implied he was a better crow user
-Different genjutsu. Not same.
How do you know? Shisui was his mentor, someone known as the greatest genjutsu user of the clan. I'm pretty convinced Shisui taught Itachi in genjutsu
-And Shisui got his MS through his friend's death.
We don't know how he got it. We know it's Shisui who gave it to Itachi though
-All the main Uchiha bar Obito had susano'o.
Point? Fact remain it was a similarity
Itachi also used shunshin as have many characters in NV.
He used shunshin, but wasn't known for it. Shisui was, so one point where Shisui > Itachi again
 

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Shisui seems a lot more lighthearted than Itachi to me. Not that I have much to base that off of; just the way he came across to me the few times he was shown doing anything.
 

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Wait where in the databook did it say Shishui had Susanoo?
 

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So in fact itachi uses shisuis power and is fodder?

3tomoe shisui & Hebi sasuke >>>>> fodder itachi U_U
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Wait where in the databook did it say Shishui had Susanoo?
Not in the databook. It's in a gameplay where Kishi contributed where it's mentioned Shisui had Susanoo
 

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Point? The fact remain Shisui gave him the crow summoning contract

How do you know? Plus the fact Shisui's databook says he was combining it with some of his jutsus implied he was a better crow user
How do you know? Shisui was his mentor, someone known as the greatest genjutsu user of the clan. I'm pretty convinced Shisui taught Itachi in genjutsu
We don't know how he got it. We know it's Shisui who gave it to Itachi though

Point? Fact remain it was a similarity
He used shunshin, but wasn't known for it. Shisui was, so one point where Shisui > Itachi again

Right. But having a similarity does not mean that one is a pale copy. They all learn the basis for their techs from somewhere else or get inspiration from somewhere/something. This is normal.

Shisui being known for shunshin is a given when he's a young adult commonly volunteering for missions in the Uchiha clan in the open where people can take note of his abilities.

Itachi being in secretive organizations since he was a young boy (Anbu and later Akatsuki) does not allow for many others to see his abilities and come up with a nickname for him.

This isn't something you can compare given the environments they were in. So, no. This is not a point where Shisui>Itachi.

So in fact itachi uses shisuis power and is fodder?

3tomoe shisui & Hebi sasuke >>>>> fodder itachi U_U
R.I.P

You have fun with that fanfic of your's. U_U
 

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Right. But having a similarity does not mean that one is a pale copy. They all learn the basis for their techs from somewhere else or get inspiration from somewhere/something. This is normal.

Shisui being known for shunshin is a given when he's a young adult commonly volunteering for missions in the Uchiha clan in the open where people can take note of his abilities.

Itachi being in secretive organizations since he was a young boy (Anbu and later Akatsuki) does not allow for many others to see his abilities and come up with a nickname for him.

This isn't something you can compare given the environments they were in. So, no. This is not a point where Shisui>Itachi.



You have fun with that fanfic of your's. U_U

Tell me when itachi defeated hebi sasky
 
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