Obito VS RinneSharrigan Sasuke
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AlphaScythian
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Obito will be aware of the swap the second sasuke disappears.
His reactions speed with sage's senjutsu are high as well.
RustledJimmies
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Do you even know what teleportation is ? He pretty much moves from point A to point B instantly, which means he won't disappear and then appear somewhere else, he will disappear in one place and appear in the other at the same time.
Still not instant.
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AlphaScythian
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No instant doesnt mean that. Im' pretty fed up with people not knowing what instant means.
Doesnt matter sasuke still has to waste time to deliver the blow and Obito easily activates his intangibility then.
RustledJimmies
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Too bad he's not fast enough to react and then activate Kamui, and also, I just realized that you said that Obito has sage senjutsu sensing, when did that happen ?
Go look up "instant" and "teleportation" in the dictionary, put those two together, then you can come to me.
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AlphaScythian
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instant (ˈɪnstənt)
n
1. a very brief time; moment
2. a particular moment or point in time: at the same instant.
3. on the instant immediately; without delay
tel·e·por·ta·tion (tl-pôr-tshn, -pr-)
n.
A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another.
Now what? Does sasuke still land a blow in this breif moment? Like he did on naruto or kaguya?
I came to realize you dont read manga.
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Its funny how you only grasp at this argument when i already said that with izanagi its guaranteed win for Obito anyway.
RustledJimmies
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O rly ?
Is that what you do now ? People ask you when something happened and you accuse people of not reading the manga, because that will make you a better debater, right ? Ridiculous.
I see, he does have sensing, but still irrelevant, Madara had the exact same thing in a higher level and still got blitzed. Three times. Unless you can show me a legit reason/feat that will allow Obito to react to it when a Juubi Jin (One superior to Obito as a Juubi Jin) couldn't.
I replied to only that point because you were arguing with KidGamer, and it's not like Izanagi is doing anything to Sasuke here, not to mention that it needs to be activated beforehand, meaning that if Obito can't react to Sasuke (which he can't), he won't be able to activate it in time.
AlphaScythian
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'succeeding without any interval of time' its not applicable to same process, it just does not exist in nature and can only be applied to multiple events happening at the same time/instant.
Im sorry but Obito' being a sensor can easily be traced back to him having zetsu cells and how easily he was aware of all attacks from blind spots despite manga never outright stated so before.
I love how people say irrelevant w/o any actual proof for that. Madara having higher level sensing? Just where is this from?
Oh izanagi is useless now? it has to be activated? its not like sasuke has to build up chakra for his swap as well and then deliver the blow to beat izanagi? U_U
RustledJimmies
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Instant teleportation takes no speed, he disappears in one place and appears in the other, teleportation is basically teleporting or transporting from point A to point B instantly, this is basic physics, simultaneity has nothing to do with this argument nor does it make Sasuke teleporting instantly from one place to another (supported by manga panels) non applicable, especially since it was portrayed in other works of fiction and even in Naruto (via Minato).
Where are you even going with this ?
>Accuses me of not reading the manga
>Doesn't read it himself
Go read it [
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], the same guy who reacted to a guy that could distort space [
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AlphaScythian
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By the time you think 'instant' some electron goes 10k laps around it's core, or should we go on protons or even nitrino?
This said, everything takes time no matter how little.
That you shouldn't be surprised.
Just how this proves that madara is more adept in sensing then Obito even thou he has more of hagoromo's chakra?
Didnt Obito steal chakra from madara with 'stronger hermit power' this scan is irrelevant as it does not account for personal skill nor does it prove that senjutsu Obito wouldnt track gai when his eyes were able to track ash bones of empowered kaguya.
Now its clear you're biased here. Any jutsu requires chakra which has to be built up is part 1 fact U_U
But as far as his swap activation speed goes
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KidGamer65
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Minato's striking speed wasn't instant, yet Obito still got his ass layed out. Intangbility is instant, Obito's reactions aren't. There is no debate on this topic. There is no "Ghost Mode activates when he disappears" not when that shit didn't happen when Minato stomped his ass.
He evades it by swapping, or he blocks LoS w/ Susanoo, Katon etc along the way.
I'll take that as you having no counter.
Doesn't matter. If Obito is in sight, which he will be, Sasuke will see him, and he will evade by teleporting.
Gonna need some feats for him sniping anything as large as Perfect Susanoo. Bijuu (Hachibi) are nowhere near the size of it.
When I said that she never fired it at him, I meant she never fired it under neutral conditions, only when gravity was in play (And he still dodged it)
Jumping in front of something isn't equivalent to moving faster than it, not to mention Kakashi did the same exact thing. So, I suggest you stop wanking this feat.
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Minato to DMS Obito argument is no longer valid as latter reacted to JJ Madara whilst SM minato didnt and has sage's senjutsu now U_U
He swaps once and dies.
Katon takes hand signs so its inferior speedwise to snipe, but Obito can relocate to another location outside swap range anyway.
PS gets sniped, or the gem or the head, wherever sasuke is which can be sensed, that part is sniped.
Lol
And die moment later.
Hachibi is already size of BSM avatar which is size of sasuke's PS. WTF are talking about? :|
And when gravity was in play Obito still blitzed from far away while sasuke and nardo were helpless.
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The fact that kakashi gotten sudden illogical speed boost like when he matched 7g Gai speed doesnt take away Obito's feat who has sage's senjutsu.
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RustledJimmies
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I already gave you one definition of instant, suceeding without any speed, comparing actual instant to a human thinking "instant" (if that's what you're trying to say here) is BS on its own.
The bold is clearly you acting like you know what you're talking about, when you don't even know what instant teleportation is.
Their sensing comes from the same source, Rikudo's Senjutsu, when you have more of that power, it's obvious that anything that comes from that power will be stronger, including attacks, speed, reaction, sensing, etc.
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, your point ?so I'm assuming Obito's intangibility takes chakra build up in his eyes too, right ? I still see no evidence for this claim, so concession accepted.
Fail.
-PS was already activated, unless you believe it spawned from nowhere.
-Sasuke didn't activate the technique because he saw that PS was about to grab her, indicated by the exclamation mark.
-Sasuke not activating the technique doesn't equate to the technique requiring Sasuke to build up chakra in his eyes and then using it, especially since manga proved otherwise [
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It would be invalid, had I said that Sasuke is fast enough BECAUSE Minato blitzed him, but I didn't. That clearly shows that Obito COULDN'T go ghost mode due to him already being tangible for an attack. Sasuke replicates the same exact thing and kills him. Its
Not really. He has shown 3 swaps before his cooldown is needed.
He's in Susanoo, he won't be getting sniped directly, so he has time.
-Blocks with a wing.
-The gem being sniped is irrelevant since Sasuke is still safe.
Uh, no.
Rikudo Senjutsu Kurama Mode Naruto=/=Sage Kurama Mode Naruto w/o Rikudo's power. Naruto's Rikudo Kurama Mode was shown to be Mountain Sized at the very smallest, it being the same size as Hachibi is pure nonsense.
So did Kakashi, nor were they affected by the gravity.
Lol, so Obito gets the feat but Kakashi doesn't? Lol. Get outta here. There is no feat to be talking about here. All that shows is that gravity didn't affect them, only Kaguya, Naruto and Sasuke. Why? Take it up with Kishimoto.
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The fact that kamui is also regarded as instant just shits on this 'with out any time' thinking of yours.
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Flawed logic, its but your interpretation. We have 3 SM users like minato naruto and jiraya and even those toads yet sensing isnt the same among them.
Obviously that your 'gai' argument failed.
What you want me to link the page wheRE it'S shown that shadow clones which is another instant tech requires chakra build up? Is that it?
Even thou intangibility too takes chakra for activation its speed its always faster then any striking speed sasuke has U_U
:leaf: So naruto which is top sensor failed to sense another chakra mostrocity on the map
Just goes to prove that his technique activation is slower then PS so much he has time to think and stop it.
Naruto casually reacted and thrown a freaking rod halfway mean while. You seem to think that this chakra build up takes hours or something?
This dude said Kakashi matched 7G Gai's speed Lol. Daheck you read?
Dude said BSM Naruto's avatar is the same size as PS? All Jokes I guess. That's RSM Naruto because last time I checked, BSM Naruto's Avatar was this size Lol
Dude said BSM Naruto's avatar is the same size as PS? All Jokes I guess. That's RSM Naruto because last time I checked, BSM Naruto's Avatar was this size Lol
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AlphaScythian
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But Obito wont be needing to grab sasuke like minato, all he needs is to survive offensive attack get out of swap reach and snipe.
Were all 3 one after another right away?
Not being sniped directly is no counter for Kamui, all will be sucked into wormhole.
AS if its so fast.
Sasuke still safe by a miracle? He goes along with that gem lol
Oh yes.
Its always been like hachibi its useless to speculate different based on some drunken day you had as it looked bigger to you.
Unless you show me a scan when its bigger next to hachibi.
Even kaguya was affected by gravity.
Both get the feat, but its doesnt mean that feat isnt valid cuz it was BS for kakashi.
Naruto and sasuke were laying there helpless and couldnt even pick up their asses up before Obito got there U_U
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KidGamer65
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Grabbing isn't the point, the point is, he needs to become tangible, which leaves him open to get attacked just like Minato did to him. Unless you are telling me that Obito doesn't need to be tangible to attack.
Never said it was right after each other, but his cooldown has only been observed twice, he used his Rinne Shift during the battle against Madara, within seconds or a minute at most of each other. Only needed to cooldown after those uses, during the Kaguya fight.
If Sasuke has a wall in front of him, and Kamui warps it, the wall goes, not the person behind it.
Doesn't need to be fast. Kamui can't even get Sasuke since his Susanoo isn't transparent, giving him enough time to block LoS with a wing, protecting him from the next Kamui attack.
Not how Kamui works.
Yeah, BSM Naruto's Avatar. Not talking about BSM Naruto's Avatar. I'm talking about RSM Naruto's Avatar. If all you can do is reference BSM Naruto's Avatar, then there is nothing more to say here. RSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar>>>>Hachibi in size.
Doesn't mean that Kakashi and Obito were. Being able to run means you aren't affected by gravity.
Gravity.