Third Raikage vs third HOKAGE

[TheEvilOne]

The Third is around Ay's level in V1 in terms

What? According to Kishi, he is only as fast as early part 2 Sakura. So don't even try to come up with an 'argument' that supports this fanfiction.

 

[Haizaki]

What? According to Kishi, he is only as fast as early part 2 Sakura. So don't even try to come up with an 'argument' that supports this fanfiction.

This Joke seems legit in your world does it? Lmaoo.

Someone who was half blinded by the sun and reacted to Rasenshuriken while standing in the same spot? Someone one who reminded Naruto of V1 Ay

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??

Not to mention he was moving backwards towards a fast attack

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and still dodged it

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[Brother Numpsay]

Still irrelevant, as Hiruzen cannot hurt the Raikage, and the only move in this entire matchup that can hurt him, is the one fingered nukite.

States "irrelevant" and yet stated by premise was relevant...

Nothing but your assumption. He basically compared the truth seeker balls to Onoki's jinton(which he had apparently seen before), and worked out it was a better version of it. No evidence that he would figure out the raikage's weakness. Hell, even if by some miracle he finds out, it's only applicable if the raikage actually uses the one fingered nukite, and I see no reason for him to.

Lol you are very clueless when it comes to intelligence in the NV. Your reaching to the fact that you think analyzing the Juubi Jin is a "whatever" feat to figure out. He analyzed EVERYTHING about the Juubi Jin. He picked up its speed and durability capability. He found out that truth seeking orbs and introduce kekkei mora. This man mastered all elements and knows all element's capability, there is not a single thing he will not know about Raikage by first glance. There is NO miracle work here, this is knowledge base feats here I'm addressing. P.S. Yes I am factoring "no intel" scenery

He heavily wounded himself with 1 fingered nukite in the manga.(gave him the scar), it didn't kill him. Either way, his 3/4 fingered nukite should have no problems in damaging enma(easily went through a mud wall plus Dodai's rubber IIRC), and I see no reason for that to cause major damage to the raikage.(that is if Hiruzen even comes up with that strategy himself, which won't happen anyway.)

No, it never NEVER stated what version of Nukite he did. By looking at what happen in Edo Tensei, 1 finger would have killed him, the way it sunked all the way through. The scar should had one on his back too, but only his chest was blown. Even the flash back shows no implication of 1 finger nukite[

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]. Nothing here, absolutely nothing implies 1 finger here.

Your comparison for reasoning that 3 finger nukite is going to damage Adamantine staff is ridiculous, sorry. You can't compare mud wall plus Dodai's rubber to Adamantine, unless you are stating that defense is much stronger and harder then Adamantine.

-Hiruzen has no way of putting him down.
-Repeated use of clone feints/elemental spam will wear himself out
-Enma is fodder to the raikage
-3/4 fingered nukite rapes Hiruzen/Enma
-There's black lightning that can be used at mid range, but I won't talk about that has he has no featsthere.

-Wrong, Hiruzen arsenal has no way to damage him. Which my argument isn't base on that at all.
-No where in my premise did I state any "spam". I clearly stated fighting smart with them.
-Not a chance, you are severely underrating Adamantine priorities that fact you think he doesn't need higher level of Nukite to even damage it.
-Once again clueless of Adamantine priorities.
-Ok

Who cares when you've not given a good reason on how?

Not true, I address good reasons on my very first post here:

He can keep himself alive with the same strategy the SA use, that Dodai command them to do. Using Bushin feints to trick him in killing the orignal, he can set up Doton walls to mess with LoS, using Futon to slow down and weaken Raiton or even blind him temporary. And last clashing Raiton stream with his ultimate Nukite.

Bushins are laughed at when Nukite easily tears past them like here

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or Rather when they can't do a thing to him with his Armor on.

Hiruzen has the best durable Shadows clones by feats[

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]. They're as durable as the orignal[

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]. No other clones has shown this kind of feats until Naruto became Six Path Senjutsu user[

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]. So he could do that, as the clones will further support attempting to slow him down.

Naruto used a Rasengan in SM to push the Third's hand to his chest in a CQC and now we're saying Hiruzen can somehow find a way to do so...

I didn't say somehow. I made a premise that Futon, Raiton, Doton can be in some use to slow down his movements to time the attack.

The bold doesn't matter, when it takes accuracy to do so. He can't just find a way to randomly hit his hand to his chest when that would only happen if his hand is stretched out forward with a one fingered Nukite being used since it's the only thing that was capable of tearing through him and it's not even required to kill clones or Hiruzen himself.

The professor has amazing precision, that fact that he immediately discern which technique a person intends to use after observing the hand seals[

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], and later shows doing it with observation[

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]. And interpret Spiral Zetsu's ninjutsu attack, which Zetsu noted. This guy does all this like has a Sharingan behind those eyes Lol!.

Not even saying he can't react but in a CQC, Hiruzen gets destroyed going by feats...The Third is around Ay's level in V1 in terms of speed.

Same as my premise, Hiruzen fights smart. He uses his elements and Bushins to trick and analzye everything. Once he slows him down, his precision should be able to have him injure himself, which Hirzuen will now focus all his damage too.

What even proves you wrong is that the intel here is no intel and you're seriously arguing that Hiruzen is somehow going to do so with no information on Nukite or how he got hurt.

Read what I wrote to Mist. Hiruzen is one of the most intelligent characters out there. He was named the professor for a reason, as he had shown analyzing Juubi Jin speed, durability, attack pattern, limits and kekkei mora. He isn't going to have trouble finding out that Raikage is using Raiton base attacks, and reason why his tanking ability is soo good to tank all of his attacks and yet has a scar on him. Meaning something can damage him. Clones gives him all the info, he needs, once they get destroyed. Once info and interpretation is presented, Hiruzen wins this.

 

[TheEvilOne]

This Joke seems legit in your world does it? Lmaoo.

Someone who was half blinded by the sun and reacted to Rasenshuriken while standing in the same spot? Someone one who reminded Naruto of V1 Ay

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??

Not to mention he was moving backwards towards a fast attack

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and still dodged it

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I thought you were talking about Hiruzen?

 

[ARGUS]

the hiruzen wank never ceases to amaze me,

any tard with sense should know that he stands no chance

 

[Bogard]

It's funny how when you disagree with someone's opinion, it means you became retarded or delusional nowadays in this section. Wonder if the ones defending Raikage aren't the retarded ones

 

[TheEvilOne]

3rd Raikage > Minato

 

[Jaeger]

3rd Raikage > Minato

Are we serious now?

Haha lol.

 

[ARGUS]

It's funny how when you disagree with someone's opinion, it means you became retarded or delusional nowadays in this section. Wonder if the ones defending Raikage aren't the retarded ones

no but in this case it is retarded,
when his elemental attacks are garbage to the raikage, and through his superior speed and reflexes, he uses nukite to rip through hiruzen like butter,

the ones defending the raikage, have the minimal sense of understanding the fact that hiruzens entire arsenal is garbage here

the ones defending hiruzen are either the ones relying on an irrelevant part 1 hype statement backed up with no feats, or are flat out hiruzen tards

 

[Beans2]

The Sandaime Raikage wins this low difficulty. Hiruzen's attacks are all tanked and Raikage uses Nukite to tear through his heart.

 

[Bogard]

no but in this case it is retarded,
when his elemental attacks are garbage to the raikage, and through his superior speed and reflexes, he uses nukite to rip through hiruzen like butter,

the ones defending the raikage, have the minimal sense of understanding the fact that hiruzens entire arsenal is garbage here

the ones defending hiruzen are either the ones relying on an irrelevant part 1 hype statement backed up with no feats, or are flat out hiruzen tards

Cast net technique damaged 3rd Raikage and Hiruzen's attacks are stronger

 

[Haizaki]

Hiruzen has the best durable Shadows clones by feats[

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]. They're as durable as the orignal[

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]. No other clones has shown this kind of feats until Naruto became Six Path Senjutsu user[

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]. So he could do that, as the clones will further support attempting to slow him down.

Irrelevant unless you want to say they can tank Nukite Lol.

I didn't say somehow. I made a premise that Futon, Raiton, Doton can be in some use to slow down his movements to time the attack.

Yeah and he walks or runs past them like nothing or he just keeps moving. The mere fact that this guy alone fought ten thousand shinobis and lasted for 3 days and nights just laughs at any clone arguments that don't have what it takes to put him down.

The professor has amazing precision, that fact that he immediately discern which technique a person intends to use after observing the hand seals[

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], and later shows doing it with observation[

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]. And interpret Spiral Zetsu's ninjutsu attack, which Zetsu noted. This guy does all this like has a Sharingan behind those eyes Lol!.

The funny part about the bold is this:

- You misinterpreted it since he says "Those marking" after the Demon appeared Lol. That now means he could tell by looking at the Hand seals Lol? Wow.

- The second scan he says "This must be death Minato talked about, Only those two form a contract can see it"

Lastly, the Zetsu scan was misinterpreted again Lol. The mouths open which already shows the Natures before fully released. Mifune looks and shouts "All chakra types" before Hiruzen pulled out his Jutsu to match them

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. I don't see what's so special when others could tell merely by looking at the mouth and seeing the Natures.

Same as my premise, Hiruzen fights smart. He uses his elements and Bushins to trick and analzye everything. Once he slows him down, his precision should be able to have him injure himself, which Hirzuen will now focus all his damage too.

Your fanfiction of Hiruzen somehow noticing when he has no special jutsu that's incredibly powerful for him to even know. Naruto had the Rasenshuriken which was incredibly powerful, he had the cloud Ninja and Hachibi who told him they both fell with their Jutsus in their hand

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. Hiruzen with no info is somehow going to guess that or easily sits back and watch while his clones supposedly stall this man Lol.

Read what I wrote to Mist. Hiruzen is one of the most intelligent characters out there. He was named the professor for a reason, as he had shown analyzing Juubi Jin speed, durability, attack pattern, limits and kekkei mora. He isn't going to have trouble finding out that Raikage is using Raiton base attacks, and reason why his tanking ability is soo good to tank all of his attacks and yet has a scar on him. Meaning something can damage him. Clones gives him all the info, he needs, once they get destroyed. Once info and interpretation is presented, Hiruzen wins this.

Lol.................

Still not sure if serious. All this hype and yet no good reason to why he'll make he'll hit him with his Jutsu in his hand Lol? When Raikage won't need a One finger Nukite to wipe them all(which is the only thing that could pierce through him and hurt him) Yet he was still alive afterwards since no one knew how he got the scar on his chest.

 

[Apêx1]

Cast net technique damaged 3rd Raikage and Hiruzen's attacks are stronger

3rd wasn't using his Raiton armour.

 

[Bogard]

3rd wasn't using his Raiton armour.

Armor which is lightning release and can be nullified by fuuton attacks

 

[Apêx1]

Armor which is lightning release and can be nullified by fuuton attacks

then again it only dissipated after the entire attack had been dished out, so it still worked otherwise it would've dissipated during the FRS expansion.

 

[Icelerate]

Cast net technique damaged 3rd Raikage and Hiruzen's attacks are stronger

Where did the manga show or imply this?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Irrelevant unless you want to say they can tank Nukite Lol.

My point can only be relevant unless they can tank it? Was Six Path's clone relevant when he took advantage of holding down Sasuke's arm after being penetrated? Going by your logic.

Yeah and he walks or runs past them like nothing or he just keeps moving. The mere fact that this guy alone fought ten thousand shinobis and lasted for 3 days and nights just laughs at any clone arguments that don't have what it takes to put him down.

Again the argument isn't base on putting him down with his own firepower. The argument is gathering intel on what he is capable of, which Hiruzen's comes with the best conclusion after.

- You misinterpreted it since he says "Those marking" after the Demon appeared Lol. That now means he could tell by looking at the Hand seals Lol? Wow.

Since your laughing, I assume you know what the means then. Need help? here's viz words: "Those signs. Dont tell me..." Unless you still want to state I am still misinterpreting manga Lol. Please share with everyone here what Hiruzen was talking about.

- The second scan he says "This must be death Minato talked about, Only those two form a contract can see it"

"Talked about". Nothing stating how to perform the jutsu. Anything else you want to add Lol.

Lastly, the Zetsu scan was misinterpreted again Lol. The mouths open which already shows the Natures before fully released. Mifune looks and shouts "All chakra types" before Hiruzen pulled out his Jutsu to match them

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. I don't see what's so special when others could tell merely by looking at the mouth and seeing the Natures.

States I'm misinterpreting it again? It was obvious that Zetsu was going to blast them with elements, yes. But completely ignored that Hiruzen know which specific element technique was going to be used. They're different Fire Release, Water, Earth, etc. And yet Zetsu comments, viz: "To emit the same jutsu simultaneously and cancel them out, wow..." this is the work of a Sharingan user here, coming from Zetsu's own mouth.

So you done trying your best to sound like Im wrong and mis interpreting scans?

Naruto had the Rasenshuriken which was incredibly powerful, he had the cloud Ninja and Hachibi who told him they both fell with their Jutsus in their hand

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. Hiruzen with no info is somehow going to guess that or easily sits back and watch while his clones supposedly stall this man Lol.

I already proven my point that Hiruzen's intelligence is vastly superior to anything of these characters mentioned here, and is very analytical, especially with engaging elements. Unless you can prove that cloud ninja, Hachibi and people who told them, all together, are superior then Hiruzen, when it comes to thinking, I will accept a concession till then.

Lol.................

Still not sure if serious. All this hype and yet no good reason to why he'll make he'll hit him with his Jutsu in his hand Lol? When Raikage won't need a One finger Nukite to wipe them all(which is the only thing that could pierce through him and hurt him) Yet he was still alive afterwards since no one knew how he got the scar on his chest.

Again a misconception on your part. You stating that only 1 finger nukite can damage the raikage, when thats not even canon, and no implication that he hurt himself the first time with 1 finger. We have feats that 1 finger blow out his back. IF what you are saying is true, then Raikage damage should of had a scar on his back too.

 

[Haizaki]

This guy can't be serious.

My point can only be relevant unless they can tank it? Was Six Path's clone relevant when he took advantage of holding down Sasuke's arm after being penetrated? Going by your logic.

Lol so Hiruzen clones durability= 6paths clones? Or can Replicate such against this man who battled ten thousands shinobis for 3 days and nights? Full of trash as usual.

Can't remember the bold..Please post a scan.

Again the argument isn't base on putting him down with his own firepower. The argument is gathering intel on what he is capable of, which Hiruzen's comes with the best conclusion after.

Again you've pulled your usual crap. How does he gather the intel? Your reason is pure trash when you look at how Naruto and the others all put information down to figure it. I've told you yet you still argue this with me because you have nothing else to say but deny. Nukite is what's required and he doesn't need this to eliminate them when he has black lightning. Doesn't need anything much for the clones so how Hiruzen is going to figure out by supposedly sitting back and watching when the Raikage's not even using Nukite is just ridiculous. Been telling this guy and we're on page 4 still going over the same damn thing.

Since your laughing, I assume you know what the means then. Need help? here's viz words: "Those signs. Dont tell me..." Unless you still want to state I am still misinterpreting manga Lol. Please share with everyone here what Hiruzen was talking about.

Laugh at yourself for posting a failed interpretation which didn't make sense to what you were saying in the first place. Now you finally post the viz which you should have done since.Not to mention you're still wrong considering he looked at the markings and signs on the Demon and not the hand signs. If not, he would have said "Those hand signs". The hand sign was done here

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with Hiruzen not saying anything there.

Not to mention Hiruzen being able to deduct Hand signs which is a clear misinterpretation on your oart doesn't play a role here since he has no info on Nukite or rather since it won't even be needed to finish his clones.

"Talked about". Nothing stating how to perform the jutsu. Anything else you want to add Lol.

Only God knows what you're saying here.

States I'm misinterpreting it again? It was obvious that Zetsu was going to blast them with elements, yes. But completely ignored that Hiruzen know which specific element technique was going to be used. They're different Fire Release, Water, Earth, etc. And yet Zetsu comments, viz: "To emit the same jutsu simultaneously and cancel them out, wow..." this is the work of a Sharingan user here, coming from Zetsu's own mouth.

How does this back up your supposedly "Similar to the Sharingan" argument. Where did Zetsu say this? He saw the Natures and used hand signs after seeing them

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. Mifune saw them as well..Guess he's a Sharingan user.

So you done trying your best to sound like Im wrong and mis interpreting scans?

Still in denial Lol.

I already proven my point that Hiruzen's intelligence is vastly superior to anything of these characters mentioned here, and is very analytical, especially with engaging elements. Unless you can prove that cloud ninja, Hachibi and people who told them, all together, are superior then Hiruzen, when it comes to thinking, I will accept a concession till then.

Can you imagine the bold? Your main reason was his deduction of hand signs which isn't really a legit one. Not to mention he said the Demon seal

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? Meaning he already knew about it. Naruto saw Obito using a hand seal and could tell he was trying to become the Juubi Jin merely by deducing the signs

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I guess the most intelligent ones are the ones who always deduce techniques to you huh? Minato who naturally is intelligent couldn't figure SM was the Juubi's weakness before Naruto could. Not to mention nothing you've shown really puts Hiruzen above Naruto when it comes to deducing things.

It was mainly because Gyuki said "We fell flat with our Jutsus in our hand" which was due to experience.

Again a misconception on your part. You stating that only 1 finger nukite can damage the raikage, when thats not even canon, and no implication that he hurt himself the first time with 1 finger. We have feats that 1 finger blow out his back. IF what you are saying is true, then Raikage damage should of had a scar on his back too.

What suggest that it was less than 1 finger? He fought Hachibi with his 1 fingered Nukite...I don't know why he'll be resorting to more fingers when they both fell with their Jutsus active and that's his strongest technique which he was already using. Doesn't matter if there wasn't a scar on his back since his hand may have bent over towards his side or something but I fully well doubt he'd reduce to a weaker form of this technique when he was already using a stronger variant.

Even though you are eventually correct on this, it won't change the outcome of this matchup since not even 3 fingers wouldn't be piercing through and that's not needed to wipe out clones.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This guy can't be serious.



Lol so Hiruzen clones durability= 6paths clones? Or can Replicate such against this man who battled ten thousands shinobis for 3 days and nights? Full of trash as usual.

Um no I stated that Hiurzen clone feats dont go "poof" after direct hits, even when they were penetrated. They still refuse to go down. We have never ever seen any other clone users that have shown this. Until 6paths Naruto. I brought up Naruto because that must be an impressive feat to pull that off, when it took Naruto to be 6paths to pull that feat for shadow clones. My premise shows that Clones can take advantage of their durability, attempting to hold down Raikage, enough to slow down his Juggernaut movements.

Can't remember the bold..Please post a scan.

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Again you've pulled your usual crap. How does he gather the intel? Your reason is pure trash when you look at how Naruto and the others all put information down to figure it. I've told you yet you still argue this with me because you have nothing else to say but deny. Nukite is what's required and he doesn't need this to eliminate them when he has black lightning. Doesn't need anything much for the clones so how Hiruzen is going to figure out by supposedly sitting back and watching when the Raikage's not even using Nukite is just ridiculous. Been telling this guy and we're on page 4 still going over the same damn thing.

My reasoning is trash? Let see here:

Raikage activates Raiton all over his body in the start of the match. What is going through Hiruzen's mind?
Raikage focuses his Raiton on a single point. What is going through Hiruzen's mind?
Raikage is tanking Hiruzen's attacks. What is going through Hiruzen's mind?

Lets view your reasoning here.

What do we know about black lightening that can even factor this this match?

Laugh at yourself for posting a failed interpretation which didn't make sense to what you were saying in the first place. Now you finally post the viz which you should have done since.Not to mention you're still wrong considering he looked at the markings and signs on the Demon and not the hand signs. If not, he would have said "Those hand signs". The hand sign was done here

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with Hiruzen not saying anything there.

*Says I should laugh at myself for posting failed translations* *Still uses the fail translation*

*Completely ignores the manga, that only those who cast the jutsu can see the Demon*

Not to mention Hiruzen being able to deduct Hand signs which is a clear misinterpretation on your oart doesn't play a role here since he has no info on Nukite or rather since it won't even be needed to finish his clones.

"misinterpretation". Again he doesn't need info he gains it in a fight.

Only God knows what you're saying here.

Which is sad on your behalf, considering your not understanding the context of that scan.

How does this back up your supposedly "Similar to the Sharingan" argument. Where did Zetsu say this? He saw the Natures and used hand signs after seeing them

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. Mifune saw them as well..Guess he's a Sharingan user.

BlinkST didn't post the scan so ill give you partial translation for 662, he post:

Spoiler

Not that anyone cares at this point, but:

#662

Tobirama: "Madara... you bastard!"

[...]

Swirly: "I asked you what does it feel like to poo?!

Well... I bet it's like the refreshing feeling you get after killing someone..."

Mifune: "That's five natures all at once!"
(How do we counter that?!)

Hiruzen: "I see that!"

[...]

Swirly: "To emit the same jutsu simultaneously and cancel them out, wow..."

Kiba: "Heh heh... Don't you underestimate Lord Third!"

Shikamaru: (Then again, everyone's exhausted their chakra.
Edotensei third's the only one still able to fight...)

[...]

Orochimaru: "Seems I should jump in sooner than later, after all..."

[...]

Hinata: (Brother Neji... Please protect Naruto!!)

White Zetsu: "Uzumaki Naruto... He'll probably cling to life for a bit, since he's an Uzumaki...

...But trying to heal him is useless.
A Jinchuriki whose Biju's been extracted dies..."

Swirly & WZ: "That's an absolute rule!"

[...]

Madara: "That you possess such eyes proves...
You continued to seek something despite many great losses.

However, that too shall end now.

You'll lose your very self...
...What they call a true ending."

[...]

Itachi memory: (That perhaps you could have changed father and mother... and the rest of the Uchiha...)
(Izanagi foreshadowing I?)

Sasuke: "I'm not... Dying... Can't... die... Yet..."

[...]

Sasuke: "I can't... Let Itachi's life... To have...

...All... Been in vain!"

(Until I build a true village...
...And become a true Kage...)

Sasuke: "...I'm..."
(...Not going down!!)

Still in denial Lol.

You are? Im doing my best. I might just give up if it isn't going anywhere.

Can you imagine the bold? Your main reason was his deduction of hand signs which isn't really a legit one. Not to mention he said the Demon seal

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? Meaning he already knew about it. Naruto saw Obito using a hand seal and could tell he was trying to become the Juubi Jin merely by deducing the signs

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I guess the most intelligent ones are the ones who always deduce techniques to you huh? Minato who naturally is intelligent couldn't figure SM was the Juubi's weakness before Naruto could. Not to mention nothing you've shown really puts Hiruzen above Naruto when it comes to deducing things.

It was mainly because Gyuki said "We fell flat with our Jutsus in our hand" which was due to experience.

Using ABC doesnt discredit Hiruzen's intelligent feats via being called the professor (looks it up why) and analyzing the character he just meant, Juubi Jin. Good try

Even though you are eventually correct on this, it won't change the outcome of this matchup since not even 3 fingers wouldn't be piercing through and that's not needed to wipe out clones.

If 1 can completely pierce his body, 2 or 3 would to a bit lower of damage. Either would wound his spot, to which Hiruzen's attacks, like his Raiton stream can then add more damage to end this fight. And Raikage will need higher Nukite then 3 to even damage adamantine staff

 

[Demonic.]

Third Raikage wrecks this old clown and it's not even close.


He tanks anything Hiruzen has to offer, or just evades it. Only Hiruzen wankers disagree. But then again Hiruzen wankers think Hiruzen can beat Base Hashirama lmao.