[Discussion] Smoker vs Luffy

[Bogard]

For the purpose of the thread, intangibility is off. These 2 face in different arcs

Scenario1 Logue town Smoker vs Logue town Luffy

Scenario2 Alabasta Smoker vs Alabasta Luffy

Scenario3 War arc Smoker vs War arc Luffy

Scenario4 Current Smoker vs Current Luffy

Who wins each scenario and with what amount of difficulty?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Luffy loses scenes 1-3 and stomps and scene 4 neg difficulty actually...

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Luffy wins 2,3 and 4
Smoker is a fodder and people need to deal with it

 

[Hexuze]

S1: Smoker high-diff.
S2: Smoker high-diff.
S3: Luffy high/extreme-diff.
S4: Luffy high/extreme-diff.

 

[silmarill]

Luffy no more than mid difficulty in all scenario's bar 1
without his intangiblity hes a sitting duck for Luffy his brute strength

 

[Savage Predator]

Smoker low diff
Smoker mid diff
Smoker high diff
Luffy mid diff. Luffy's stronger than Vergo

 

[Hexuze]

Smoker low diff
Smoker mid diff
Smoker high diff
Luffy mid diff. Luffy's stronger than Vergo

I disagree. Vergo is a much more experienced fighter than Luffy. (in haki)

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

I disagree. Vergo is a much more experienced fighter than Luffy.

Experience means shit,Luffy has defeated characters with way better experience
Take Croco and Moriha for example.

 

[Zorø]

Luffy wins scenario 3 high diff and scenario 4 mid/high diff.

 

[Savage Predator]

I disagree. Vergo is a much more experienced fighter than Luffy.

Luffy has fought people with experience before, and his observation haki has far better feats than vergo's. Luffy takes it for me

 

[Punk Hazard]

Smoker low-mid diffs every scenario except four, where he loses. Only thing that kept Smoker from killing/defeating Luffy in Logue Town and at Marineford was outside help

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Logue town Smoker vs Logue town Luffy

Didn't Smoker already low diff Luffy here?

Alabasta Smoker vs Alabasta Luffy

Don't see any difference that above.

War arc Smoker vs War arc Luffy

I think Luffy should win this with high diff.

Current Smoker vs Current Luffy

Luffy wins with mid to high diff (leaning toward mid).

I disagree. Vergo is a much more experienced fighter than Luffy.

Buggy, Kuro, Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci were as well....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy wins scenario 3 high diff and scenario 4 mid/high diff.

How. Does. He. Even. Hit him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy wins scenario 3 high diff and scenario 4 mid/high diff.

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[Pirate King]

Smoker mid dif
Smoker high dif
Luffy high dif
Luffy low dif

 

[Joker]

Pretty sure Luffy didn't have Haki during Marine Ford, so, how the hell is he hitting Smoker?

 

[silmarill]

How. Does. He. Even. Hit him.

With his fists. because intangibility is off . As stated in the opening

 

[Punk Hazard]

With his fists. because intangibility is off . As stated in the opening

Oh, it's one of those threads.

 

[Hexuze]

Luffy has fought people with experience before, and his observation haki has far better feats than vergo's. Luffy takes it for me

We haven't see Vergo's observation haki.

Buggy, Kuro, Arlong, Crocodile, Lucci were as well....

Experience means shit,Luffy has defeated characters with way better experience
Take Croco and Moriha for example.

In haki**, Sure you can say he defeated Chinjao but he was far out of his prime and Luffy still defeated him mid-diff. Vergo could go full body CoA since Law was a child. I don't think he's that out of his prime either like Chinjao was. Luffy's is getting outclassed by Doflamingo, I doubt he won't be able to defeat his first mate. Vergo would defeat Luffy high-extreme diff.

 

[Bogard]

Pretty sure Luffy didn't have Haki during Marine Ford, so, how the hell is he hitting Smoker?

Hence i restricted Smoker's intangibility

We haven't see Vergo's observation haki.

And we're not giving him something he didn't show or even implied to possess