[Discussion] Can Zoro beat luffy in a fight??

[A v i]

I did read his post :/

Even if they are not competing with eachother as swordsmen or whatever, at the end of the day their relationship is one of friendly RIVALRY

Who cares if they are for comedic purpose, the point is they compete with eachother, do you think Oda would make Usopp compete with Zoro like he does with Sanji?

I have no problem with Usopp being Zoro's comic rival as it won't put him on Zoro level and same goes for Sanji.

Using their friendly fights as a proof to justify their strength is nothing more than a joke at best and it'll just prove that you don't have a realy argument.

The main point of the m3o is that the gap between Zoro and Sanji is, at most, as wide as the gap between Zoro and Luffy and that Luffy is a tier above Zoro in every category (haki, endurance, strength and speed)

Have a nice day

The main point is you provided no evidence to support that claim which means that your claim is wrong.

Once again get updated.

Who told you the first crew member of shanks was Yasopp?

Manga chapter 0.


He was the first one to join Shanks crew.

 

[Bogard]

Manga chapter 0.


He was the first one to join Shanks crew.

Actually it was a mistake by the anime who made Shanks meeting Yasopp in a canoe which led people to believe Yasopp was the first. In the manga however, there is no concrete proof because we see Shanks' ship from afar, implying there were people on board:

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[Anduril]

He was the first one to join Shanks crew.[/FONT][/I]

That is wrong!
When Shanks came to recruit Yasopp he already had his big ship which is quite evident from this manga panel and the episode 0 anime.

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[video=youtube;8XM1ct1baks]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XM1ct1baks[/video]

Unless you are implying Shanks was able to maneuver a ship that big alone, your claims are not just preposterous but just plain pathetic.

Actually it was a mistake by the anime who made Shanks meeting Yasopp in a canoe which led people to believe Yasopp was the first. In the manga however, there is no concrete proof because we see Shanks' ship from afar, implying there were people on board:

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It is not a mistake actually shanks did meet yasopp in a canoe. What happened is, Large ships are not able to go in shallower water regions close to the islands, so they usually send a search party on smaller boats instead of the main ship unless the island has a harbour. That's what shanks did he went to the island by himself while using a smaller boat to row himself there.

@Love cook If this was your proof then I am very sorry but you are just pathetic.

 

[A v i]

That is wrong!
When Shanks came to recruit Yasopp he already had his big ship which is quite evident from this manga panel and the episode 0 anime.

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[video=youtube;8XM1ct1baks]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XM1ct1baks[/video]

Unless you are implying Shanks was able to maneuver a ship that big alone, your claims are not just preposterous but just plain pathetic.



It is not a mistake actually shanks did meet yasopp in a canoe. What happened is, Large ships are not able to go in shallower water regions close to the islands, so they usually send a search party on smaller boats instead of the main ship unless the island has a harbour. That's what shanks did he went to the island by himself while using a smaller boat to row himself there.

@Love cook If this was your proof then I am very sorry but you are just pathetic.

It wasn't a big one it's a smaller one and if the ship is really that big and Shanks has a crew with him then there is no need for him to introduce himself as a pirate to Yasopp. Shanks was very young and Yasopp was the first one to meet Shanks after Rogers death which means that he was the first one to join the crew.

 

[Anduril]

It wasn't a big one it's a smaller one and if the ship is really that big and Shanks has a crew with him then there is no need for him to introduce himself as a pirate to Yasopp. Shanks was very young and Yasopp was the first one to meet Shanks after Rogers death which means that he was the first one to join the crew.

His ship is clearly seen at 14.03 in that video. Are you people blind? Or just don't want to see it?

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So I am to believe that what you say is more cannon than the anime Lmao.

 

[A v i]

His ship is clearly seen at 14.03 in that video. Are you people blind? Or just don't want to see it?

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So I am to believe that what you say is more cannon than the anime Lmao.

My bad I didn't see that and I thought he was the first to join since he was the only one shown to be invited by Shanks to join his crew right after Rogers death.

Regardless, It won't change anything as the first one to join the crew is not necessarily first mate. Second strongest or the second in command is the first mate of a pirate ship. Though in most cases first one to join the crew is the first mate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes, he could. But there is a huge difference between could and would. You could survive drinking sulfuric acid.

Luffy is the physically strongest, fastest, most durable Straw Hat, no Zoro is not in Luffy's league, he is one tier below Luffy and will stay put, right there, with Sanji right behind him, in the same tier

even if Luffy didn't have his DF he would still be the strongest SH, because Garp

Sanji actually has the best durability feat of the Strawhats, he's the most durable for now.

 

[jiraiya lives]

If the fought 100 times I'm sure that zoro couldn't win a few times but more often then not luffy is gonna win

 

[Punk Hazard]

... Marineford

What about it? You mean the way Luffy was replenished by steroids twice, or how that's endurance, not durability?

 

[Olorin]

What about it? You mean the way Luffy was replenished by steroids twice, or how that's endurance, not durability?

yes his endurance got boosted by Iva but his durability was enough for him to not get destroyed by getting thrown around MF

 

[Punk Hazard]

yes his endurance got boosted by Iva but his durability was enough for him to not get destroyed by getting thrown around MF

The only serious blows Luffy took was getting hit by some Vice-Admiral fodder with instruments that are ineffective against his rubber body, a kick from Kizaru which the other Supernova could take a couple of and a single punch from Sengoku. I doubt those are gonna compare to 5000M of water pressure all at once.

 

[Zorø]

Sanji actually has the best durability feat of the Strawhats, he's the most durable for now.

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Luffy and Zoro has more impressive feats mate I would show scans but I cant be asked right now feeling lazy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Luffy and Zoro has more impressive feats mate I would show scans but I cant be asked right now feeling lazy.

Neither of them have a feat that equals the pressure of 5000M as of yet.

 

[Olorin]

The only serious blows Luffy took was getting hit by some Vice-Admiral fodder with instruments that are ineffective against his rubber body, a kick from Kizaru which the other Supernova could take a couple of and a single punch from Sengoku. I doubt those are gonna compare to 5000M of water pressure all at once.

he got kicked by Kizaru
stabbed by Aokiji
played with by the Vice Admirals
pierced by Kizaru's laser (and kicked again)
burnt by Akainu
punched by the Buddha
...

and all right after Impel Down which was no vacation for Luffy

 

[silmarill]

Here some durability feat from Luffy

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In little garden Dorry took that almost mountain sized skeleton and put it on Luffy his back
exactly how much pressure is 5000 meter under water? I suck at maths so yea...

 

[Punk Hazard]

he got kicked by Kizaru
stabbed by Aokiji
played with by the Vice Admirals
pierced by Kizaru's laser (and kicked again)
burnt by Akainu
punched by the Buddha
...

and all right after Impel Down which was no vacation for Luffy

And all of those damaged his body greatly. I don't think you quite understand what durability is. If the ice. lasers or magma had to failed to injure him, they'd be durability feats. They did injure him, and he pressed on, which makes them endurance feats.

Here some durability feat from Luffy

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In little garden Dorry took that almost mountain sized skeleton and put it on Luffy his back
exactly how much pressure is 5000 meter under water? I suck at maths so yea...

Rubber body yo. Luffy can't be crushed.

 

[silmarill]

Rubber body yo. Luffy can't be crushed.

So does it make it any less of a feat?
So luffy is out of the argument than I guess
We can also imply Sanji his feat of 5000 meter underwater to Luffy cause he can't be crushed

 

[Punk Hazard]

So does it make it any less of a feat?

This is actually a tough one. The fact that the nature of this can't affect Luffy no matter how much force is put in should make it a non-factor. If someone struck Luffy with a cannonball that was carrying the same pressure of the depths Sanji survived, it will most likely damage Luffy as nothing has indicated so far that Luffy can withstand that level of force unless it's directly blunt in nature.

 

[Olorin]

And all of those damaged his body greatly. I don't think you quite understand what durability is. If the ice. lasers or magma had to failed to injure him, they'd be durability feats. They did injure him, and he pressed on, which makes them endurance feats.

his body got damaged but his body was durable enough not to get destroyed at MF so Luffy could endure it

which is what matters here, Luffy was able to survive and even fight until the very end of Marineford

if your body isn't strong enough to physically survive MF you are fu???d

 

[TheFiveElements]

Until Luffy displays haki powerful enough to stop an expert swordsman's slash Luffy takes this extreme, near death diff only 70% of the time.