Rinnegan Obito vs Edo Madara

[Draphsin]

Just stop

No you need to stop. I'm not going to reply to you if you're going to blatantly ignore the meaning of the phrase.

BFR is always in play in these versus threads

No it's not, unless the OP specifically states that the characters can't leave the battlefield then there's no possible way to BFR someone based on distance.

or you have retards saying Minato FTGs to the leaf village, or to Mt. Myoboku.

If minato has prepped kunai then of course he can, having pre-placed seals counts as prep though & that's the only thing stopping him from teleporting to the leaf village should he choose to.

This other clown said Obito can warp to his lab and continue implanting Sharingan into himself to use for Izanagi.

Nothing is stopping him from doing so, unless he's restricted to a certain area he can't get BFR'd.

 

[Demonic.]

Its a bit different with minato thou.

His konoha and other locations etc can be regarded as part of preparation due to beforehand mark there so buff. While Obito can always teleport whenever wherever thus it would be nerfing him.

We can't have Obito leaving the battlefield kilometers away -_- thats exactly what BFR is for. It's nonsense in a versus thread.

 

[Draphsin]

thats exactly what BFR is for

If you don't want obito teleporting wherever he wants then set boundaries, otherwise a BFR can't happen. Simply leaving an area doesn't constitute a BFR.

 

[Waltz]

How didnt he resist it if he was doing the seal he wanted all along and even madara said he failed?

Furthermore you dont even take into account that Obito was wounded minding his own business, yet managed to resist.

And of course as i said madara has to be focused and stationary to perform it, its no use and easily rendered useless by intangibility or warp away from reach.

If Obito's jutsu was entirely different to the Rinne Tensei Jutsu, then Madara's rejuvenation would not have begun and he would have realized that Obito was performing a different Jutsu; however that was not the case and naturally implies that the two jutsu's are interrelated however require different seals. It was subtle deception at the last moment and in no way implies a complete resistance against the manipulation.

@Bold: Even if he was healthy and making eye contact with Madara, there would have been nothing he could have done.

@Red: Yet Madara was about to trash Hashirama's clones while keeping Obito at bay. [

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[Demonic.]

No it's not, unless the OP specifically states that the characters can't leave the battlefield then there's no possible way to BFR someone based on distance.


Nothing is stopping him from doing so, unless he's restricted to a certain area he can't get BFR'd.

Disagree completely. Having Obito teleport that far away from his opponent is BFR.

But if you need to see it addressed in the OP I'll edit it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

We can't have Obito leaving the battlefield kilometers away -_- thats exactly what BFR is for. It's nonsense in a versus thread.

Even to teleport around he goes to whole new dimension are we gonna make BFR of that or restrict his kamui?

Its how Obito is wired and it ok for him to go take a sip of coffee while some explosions occurs on battlefield.

It's purely badass

If Obito's jutsu was entirely different to the Rinne Tensei Jutsu, then Madara's rejuvenation would not have begun and he would have realized that Obito was performing a different Jutsu; however that was not the case and naturally implies that the two jutsu's are interrelated however require different seals. It was subtle deception at the last moment and in no way implies a complete resistance against the manipulation.
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Obito was performing different jutsu nonetheless, naruto even noted that chakra of bijuus was entering him at that time. The process of reviving did start, but failed in end. So resisted all the same

@Bold: Even if he was healthy and making eye contact with Madara, there would have been nothing he could have done.

This goes against all logic and even manga.

It been said it harder to control chakra while near death situation, a huge hole in chest is but major distraction, sealing juubi, taking more attacks from sasuke and minato yet prevailing. You just underrate Obito alot.

Its later proven when he stole bijuus from prime at that time madara while restraining zetsu and hanging by a tread to life U_U

@Red: Yet Madara was about to trash Hashirama's clones while keeping Obito at bay. [

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Is this even serious? Madara made no indication of trashing anything there and let me remind you that madara while fighting hashirama later on had to devote all of his attention to reviving himself on 2nd occasion.

 

[Demonic.]

Even to teleport around he goes to whole new dimension are we gonna make BFR of that or restrict his kamui?

Its how Obito is wired and it ok for him to go take a sip of coffee while some explosions occurs on battlefield.

It's purely badass

yes, that's how his technique works, that can't be helped Obito can enter Kamui to avoid the meteor, but Drapshin is saying he'll warp far away outside of the designated battlefield to summon the Gedo, then warp back to the battlefield and summon the Gedo again (in order to save the Gedo). That's nonsense.

I don't go around saying Hashirama uses mayfly and let his clones fight for him while he's hiding in the ground, even though it's possible, for the same reason == it's nonsense in a VS thread Lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

Edo Madara destroys..... rofl.

 

[AlphaScythian]

yes, that's how his technique works, that can't be helped Obito can enter Kamui to avoid the meteor, but Drapshin is saying he'll warp far away outside of the designated battlefield to summon the Gedo, then warp back to the battlefield and summon the Gedo again (in order to save the Gedo). That's nonsense.

I don't go around saying Hashirama uses mayfly and let his clones fight for him while he's hiding in the ground even though it's possible Lol.

Gedo can be sent back anyway like a regular summoning then re summoned. It makes no difference

 

[Demonic.]

Gedo can be sent back anyway like a regular summoning then re summoned. It makes no difference

I still consider that nonsense in a VS thread. Madara can just call more meteors too

 

[AlphaScythian]

I still consider that nonsense in a VS thread. Madara can just call more meteors too

Then Obito murks him while he's regenerating?

 

[Draphsin]

Disagree completely. Having Obito teleport that far away from his opponent is BFR.

You can disagree all you want, still doesn't constitute a BFR.

But if you need to see it addressed in the OP I'll edit it.

So you admit that the only way for madara to win is by restricting what obito's ability can do? That's fine, I don't care if madara needs special conditions to be set in order to counter kamui.

 

[Waltz]

Obito was performing different jutsu nonetheless, naruto even noted that chakra of bijuus was entering him at that time. The process of reviving did start, but failed in end. So resisted all the same
This goes against all logic and even manga.

It been said it harder to control chakra while near death situation, a huge hole in chest is but major distraction, sealing juubi, taking more attacks from sasuke and minato yet prevailing. You just underrate Obito alot.

Its later proven when he stole bijuus from prime at that time madara while restraining zetsu and hanging by a tread to life U_U

Is this even serious? Madara made no indication of trashing anything there and let me remind you that madara while fighting hashirama later on had to devote all of his attention to reviving himself on 2nd occasion.

@ Bold: Doesn't negate the fact that they were interrelated to the such an extent that Madara began reviving.

@ Underline: Obito was in excruciating pain and unable to move his body on his own----it cannot be classed as a complete resistance.

@ Red: Link? Also, there is a difference between "controlling an individuals chakra" and "controlling an individual via chakra". My initial point remains.

@ Blue: Funny..

Then Alpha; enlighten me with your biased, flawed interpretation of Madara's statement.


You haven't dis-proven anything I've thus far said.

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[Pragmatic]

No you need to stop. I'm not going to reply to you if you're going to blatantly ignore the meaning of the phrase.



No it's not, unless the OP specifically states that the characters can't leave the battlefield then there's no possible way to BFR someone based on distance.



If minato has prepped kunai then of course he can, having pre-placed seals counts as prep though & that's the only thing stopping him from teleporting to the leaf village should he choose to.



Nothing is stopping him from doing so, unless he's restricted to a certain area he can't get BFR'd.

lol I think that would be considered fleeing from Madara not beating him

 

[Draphsin]

lol I think that would be considered fleeing from Madara not beating him

Leaving the battlefield in order to avoid an attack =/= fleeing. If obito can't ever or won't ever return to the battlefield then yes it would be fleeing, but he can return at any time.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

This is how you know you lost an argument. There's a little thing called BFR which gives Madara the win.

Obito goes in and out of a dimension to dodge an attack. That's like saying Nightcrawler or Lila Cheney from X-men constantly BFR because, for a moment, they're in a distant location in their teleportatoin evasion.

We can't have Obito leaving the battlefield kilometers away -_- thats exactly what BFR is for. It's nonsense in a versus thread.

Even though the destructive radius is killometers? Be reasonable here. A dodge /=/ BFR. In order to dodge this, Obito does have to move kilometers away, but that's not abandoning the battle. You're just boxed into a corner in an argument, so you want to restrict some of the normal uses of Obito's kamui. If Obito comes back, it's a dodge, not BFR.

 

[Demonic.]

You can disagree all you want, still doesn't constitute a BFR.



So you admit that the only way for madara to win is by restricting what obito's ability can do? That's fine, I don't care if madara needs special conditions to be set in order to counter kamui.

You want to act like a fanboy fine. Obito leaves the battlefield, and summons the Gedo to avoid the meteor.

Since he left the battlefield he has no idea Madara avoided the meteor by using mayfly, and created 1 wood clone. When Obito teleports back he warps the clone.

Madara then proceeds to attack Obito, taking him by suprise, forcing him to phase, where he gets gang banged from both dimensions.

Obito goes in and out of a dimension to dodge an attack. That's like saying Nightcrawler or Lila Cheney from X-men constantly BFR because, for a moment, they're in a distant location in their teleportatoin evasion.

Not even talking about his Kamui. That's his ability.He can enter Kamui to avoid the meteor. Drapshin is being a fanboy saying he'll warp super far away summon the gedo, then go back to the battlefield and resummon the Gedo. You honestly think that's okay in a vs thread? Lol

Even though the destructive radius is killometers? Be reasonable here. A dodge /=/ BFR. In order to dodge this, Obito does have to move kilometers away, but that's not abandoning the battle. You're just boxed into a corner in an argument, so you want to restrict some of the normal uses of Obito's kamui. If Obito comes back, it's a dodge, not BFR.

It's not a "dodge" did you even read his post? It's flat out leaving the battlefield.

Meteors? Nah, they're slow. Obito warps as far away as he did

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, & re-summons the gedo. Then as madara's recovering obito warps behind him.

 

[Draphsin]

Since he left the battlefield he has no idea Madara avoided the meteor by using mayfly, and created 1 wood clone.

Lol Nice try, not happening. Madara has to concentrate in order to control the meteor, & if he can do everything you suggested before the meteor hits the ground then why didn't he do it in canon? Why did he imply that the jutsu would kill him as well as wipe the battlefield if he had a way to avoid being hit?

He can't create clones or use mayfly while controlling his meteors or before they hit the ground, unless of course you can prove otherwise.

 

[Demonic.]

Lol Nice try, not happening. Madara has to concentrate in order to control the meteor

Um, no. So you think Madara has to control the meteor even when it's already close and on a collision course? Lol.

So what would happen if Madara brings the meteor close enough to the earth then "stops concentrating" on the meteor? Will it just stay there floating? There is such a thing as gravity, your idea is preposterous.

& if he can do everything you suggested before the meteor hits the ground then why didn't he do it in canon? Why did he imply that the jutsu would kill him as well as wipe the battlefield if he had a way to avoid being hit?

Because he didn't give a shit? He was just toying with the SA.

He can't create clones or use mayfly while controlling his meteors or before they hit the ground, unless of course you can prove otherwise.

You should prove how the meteor would stay floating in the sky should Madara "stop controlling" it. No reason to believe why the meteor would stop in mid air.

"The user weaves three hand seals simultaneously between himself and his Susanoo, in order to draw massive meteorites from the upper atmosphere down towards a specific location on the ground."

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[Draphsin]

Um, no. So you think Madara has to control the meteor even when it's already close and on a collision course? Lol.

Did I ever say that? Wow I honestly thought I wouldn't have to clarify something obvious like this.

When the meteor gets close enough to the point where he doesn't have to control it anymore he then has no time to use any jutsus in order to escape, therefore he gets crushed.

So what would happen if Madara brings the meteor close enough to the earth then "stops concentrating" on the meteor? Will it just stay there floating? There is such a thing as gravity, your idea is preposterous.

Above.

Because he didn't give a shit? He was just toying with the SA.

Doesn't change the fact that he implied the jutsu would kill him regardless. Just because he wasn't fighting seriously doesn't mean that he's going to tank every single attack because he feels like it.

You should prove how the meteor would stay floating in the sky should Madara "stop controlling" it. No reason to believe why the meteor would stop in mid air.

Never said it would so stop putting words into my mouth. By the time the meteor is close enough where madara doesn't need to control it anymore it then ends up too close for him to avoid altogether.

"The user weaves three hand seals simultaneously between himself and his Susanoo, in order to draw massive meteorites from the upper atmosphere down towards a specific location on the ground."

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Don't post things I already know, until you can prove that madara has the speed to create a clone & use mayfly before the meteor hits then it's not happening.

Alternatively, obito can just warp away madara as he's bringing down the meteor, he has more than enough time to do so before it lands or gets close enough where madara doesn't have to control it.

& Finally, to completely eradicate the idea of a meteor doing anything significant here, obito doesn't even have to warp away from the attack in order to avoid it since intangibility will do the job just fine.

The only reason why I said obito would warp away from the attack in the first place was so that he could protect the GM. Well that's irrelevant now since I just realized that the GM doesn't even need protecting from those fodder meteors, not when: A] it survived being crushed by the moon & B] when onoki took the full force of one & survived. The meteor does nothing to the GM, especially if hagoromo couldn't even destroy it & onoki couldn't even be killed by it.