How does Hashirama break Tsukuyomi?

[KisuneUchiha]

Madara doesn't have tsukuyomi. Neither does Obito or Shisui. Sasuke is debatable

Ohh you just set yourself up, haters will come and rage at you, for saying Sasuke having Tsukuyomi is debatable.

 

[startup97]

MAdara already used tsukuyomi on Ay. Fail.


Tsukuyomi is granted automatically to those who have the MS. Sasuke (used it against Danzo), Madara (used it on ay), Itachi (used its on Kakashi).. so yea.

Show me the scan of Ay under Tsukuyomi.

 

[KingHashirama]

Show me the scan of Ay under Tsukuyomi.

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[startup97]

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Aww shucks, looks like you win.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Fact: He can't ! Only jinchhuriki, Uchiha with sharingan and rinnegan users can break it

Unless you can prove otherwise Lol

Tsukuyomi solos, Totsuka blitz GG, Yata Mirror GG

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He doesn't need to break it because he would be put under it. Flower world crushes Itachi, if he have Susanoo then it wraps around it due to Yata mirror but the pollen puts Itachi unconcious. He can also swap with a wood clone so Itachi uses Tsukuyomi on a clone which cost Itachi a lot of chakra, makes him more blind and he feels physical pain. Itachi closes his eye to focus his chakra before using it so that gives skilled ninjas time to make their move. Also Tsukuyomi doesn't kill strong ninja, have more luck to kill weaker ninjas since it weakening one's will. Hashirama has a strong will, strong body, and heal abilities.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

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So all sharingan genjutsu are now tsukuyomi?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

He doesn't need to break it because he would be put under it. Flower world crushes Itachi, if he have Susanoo then it wraps around it due to Yata mirror but the pollen puts Itachi unconcious. He can also swap with a wood clone so Itachi uses Tsukuyomi on a clone which cost Itachi a lot of chakra, makes him more blind and he feels physical pain. Itachi closes his eye to focus his chakra before using it so that gives skilled ninjas time to make their move. Also Tsukuyomi doesn't kill strong ninja, have more luck to kill weaker ninjas since it weakening one's will. Hashirama has a strong will, strong body, and heal abilities.

Check the first 2 pages, I already said why Hashirama would be under Tsukuyomi. He doesn't have a choice that's why

Whether he can break it or not is the question

 

[xxSAGExx]

Check the first 2 pages, I already said why Hashirama would be under Tsukuyomi. He doesn't have a choice that's why

Whether he can break it or not is the question

Well then there's no point making a thread like this if Itachi can't even land the jutsu on him. In your post where Kakashi was talking about not being able to cancel its effects, wasn't he talking about having a comrade break you out of Genjutsus because Chiyo gave them a run down on how to fight Uchihas. Sasuke activated his CM in Tsukuyomi and its after he did that is when Tsukuyomi broke so Hashirama being able to break it with his chakra control is pausable. Even if he can't break out he can heal himself from its effects as Tsunade healed Kakashi and Sasuke from Tsukuyomi affects.

Hashirama being able to break out is unknown really but him being able to tank it is highly likely.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Hashirama tanks it.

what a f*cking joke hashifodder gets oneshotted by the solo king

 

[Eternal Sage]

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Standard sharingan genjutsu =/= tsukuyomi :l

 

[KingHashirama]

Standard sharingan genjutsu =/= tsukuyomi :l

because ems = standard sharingan?

So all sharingan genjutsu are now tsukuyomi?

So all sharingan are now EMS?

Hopefully, you know what made Itachi special, wasn't him being the only one to have tsukuyomi, it was his mastery over tsukuyomi. What makes sasuke special isn't him being the only one to have amaterasu, its him having mastery over amaterasu via kagutsuchi.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

because ems = standard sharingan?

EMS = tsukuyomi ?! What kind of logic is that ?

 

[Eternal Sage]

because ems = standard sharingan?



So all sharingan are now EMS?

Hopefully, you know what made Itachi special, wasn't him having tsukuyomi, it was his mastery over tsukuyomi. What makes sasuke special isn't him having amaterasu, its him having mastery over amaterasu.

He doesn't have mastery over amaterasu, he has a jutsu that lets him manipulate the shape Lol

None of the other sharingan genjutsu have been stated to be called tsukuyomi, which is an actual unique genjutsu, like Kotoamatsukami

 

[KingHashirama]

EMS = tsukuyomi ?! What kind of logic is that ?

Now show me where i said "Ems= tsukuyomi".

You stated EMS genjutsu = standard genjutsu. Which is a false claim.

The only time an EMS genjutsu was classified as "sharingan genjutsu" (which in itself was dumb, due to the fact Tsukuyomi being a sharingan genjutsu), was when Sasuke/Itachi used it together (could be due to various reasons, Sasuke not having mastery over tsukuyomi so he can't use it on a reflex, him already being caught in a genjutsu.)


If you can point me to any other case, that says "EMS genjutsu" = "Normal sharingan genjutsu",... i'll be happy to admit i'm wrong.

 

[iKaras]

If caught, he's done.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

A strong mental fortitude can resist or even break Tsukiyomi.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Now show me where i said "Ems= tsukuyomi".

You stated EMS genjutsu = standard genjutsu. Which is a false claim.

The only time an EMS genjutsu was classified as "sharingan genjutsu" (which in itself was dumb, due to the fact Tsukuyomi being a sharingan genjutsu), was when Sasuke/Itachi used it together (could be due to various reasons, Sasuke not having mastery over tsukuyomi so he can't use it on a reflex, him already being caught in a genjutsu.)


If you can point me to any other case, that says "EMS genjutsu" = "Normal sharingan genjutsu",... i'll be happy to admit i'm wrong.

I never said Normal sharingan genjutsu = EMS genjutsu, you're quoting the wrong guy. I said all sharingan genjutsu = tsukuyomi ?

BTW, Madara has never shown any named MS genjutsu like tsukuyomi or KA. Madara doesn't have Tsukuyomi

 

[KingHashirama]

He doesn't have mastery over amaterasu, he has a jutsu that lets him manipulate the shape Lol

None of the other sharingan genjutsu have been stated to be called tsukuyomi, which is an actual unique genjutsu, like Kotoamatsukami

"he has a jutsu that lets him manipulate the shape".. False.. common mistake people make.. Kagutsuchi doesn't grant sasuke the power to manipulate jutsu.. Its when Sasuke manipulate the flames with the opposite eyes, that its known as Kagutsuchi. Its like saying "rasenshuriken allows NAruto to add wind-style to the rasengan."... uh no, Its him adding wind style to the rasengan, that makes RAsenshuriken.

Because only genjutsu done by a double pair of eyes is tsukuyomi, argue with kishimoto if you want on that. The only time it wasn't tsukuyomi was when Sasuke and Itachi were caught in a genjutsu.. Itachi used tsukuyomi on sasuke, while sasuke used a normal genjutsu. << Which is partially a plot-hole

I never said Normal sharingan genjutsu = EMS genjutsu, you're quoting the wrong guy. I said all sharingan genjutsu = tsukuyomi ?

BTW, Madara has never shown any named MS genjutsu like tsukuyomi or KA. Madara doesn't have Tsukuyomi

No i simply did what you did with "EMS = tsukuyomi ?! What kind of logic is that ?"

Madara has already used Tsukuyomi via his EMS, and hence to our belief it is Tsukuyomi. Show me where it says it wasn't tsukuyomi. You can't. It was Kishimoto himself who said in order to unlock Susanoo, tsukuyomi is needed. So are you above Kishimoto?

 

[Eternal Sage]

"he has a jutsu that lets him manipulate the shape".. False.. common mistake people make.. Kagutsuchi doesn't grant sasuke the power to manipulate jutsu.. Its when Sasuke manipulate the flames with the opposite eyes, that its known as Kagutsuchi. Its like saying "rasenshuriken allows NAruto to add wind-style to the rasengan."... uh no, Its him adding wind style to the rasengan, that makes RAsenshuriken.

Because only genjutsu done by a double pair of eyes is tsukuyomi, argue with kishimoto if you want on that. The only time it wasn't tsukuyomi was when Sasuke and Itachi were caught in a genjutsu.. Itachi used tsukuyomi on sasuke, while sasuke used a normal genjutsu. << Which is partially a plot-hole
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Lol Sorry, I worded that incorrectly. The point is still valid though

I'm not saying every genjutsu Itachi does is a tsukuyomi, I'm saying Madara and Sasuke have never used Tsukuyomi, but base sharingan genjutsu

 

[Joseph Gomes]

"he has a jutsu that lets him manipulate the shape".. False.. common mistake people make.. Kagutsuchi doesn't grant sasuke the power to manipulate jutsu.. Its when Sasuke manipulate the flames with the opposite eyes, that its known as Kagutsuchi. Its like saying "rasenshuriken allows NAruto to add wind-style to the rasengan."... uh no, Its him adding wind style to the rasengan, that makes RAsenshuriken.

Because only genjutsu done by a double pair of eyes is tsukuyomi, argue with kishimoto if you want on that. The only time it wasn't tsukuyomi was when Sasuke and Itachi were caught in a genjutsu.. Itachi used tsukuyomi on sasuke, while sasuke used a normal genjutsu. << Which is partially a plot-hole

No i simply did what you did with "EMS = tsukuyomi ?! What kind of logic is that ?"

Madara has already used Tsukuyomi via his EMS, and hence to our belief it is Tsukuyomi. Show me where it says it wasn't tsukuyomi. You can't. It was Kishimoto himself who said in order to unlock Susanoo, tsukuyomi is needed. So are you above Kishimoto?

That saying went down the drain when Kakashi got his susanoo. Meaning tsukuyomi isn't an absolute necessary

Madara doesn't have amaterasu either, never ever used it in the manga.

In fact the two brothers (sasuke and itachi) are the only ones to use Amaterasu in the manga